Dear Cal Supporters,
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Actually he never said that, though facts never stopped you huh? He said some got what they wanted. You did!!! You are loving this. You are winning Jeffie!! Beating up pumpers, bashing Cal. Trashing the cats. Just a great day for you.
Gonzaga 2020 has a great offense but even them aren't coming close to what Wisconsin did. Or for that matter Notre Dame which everyone seems to forget also had a historically good offense that year.
I don't think just because we didn't win it all in 15 means we need that now. 2015 had three really great teams that season. I don't see teams at that level in 2020.
We just need to be better than the rest of the teams in 2020. I'm not concerned about getting to 15 levels because I don't think that's realistic in any system here.
You’ll get in a good threat soon. That’ll make it a perfect day.
Because there's other good teams as well.
You said it yourself. There's a lot of randomness in a tournament.
My expectation of Cal isn't to win titles. It's to be one of the best teams in the nation. So that every year, we have a shot at a title. Because I feel in a tournament setting that's the best way to ensure you get one or two or three. Being in it to win it.
I feel if we keep the same trajectory we did 17-19 years, we will have final fours in the future and possibly another title.
If you're going to have a new team every year, the closer you can get to the 2015 team, the better.
I think some of you are not realizing how hard it is to win anything with freshmen.
Since 2015, we haven't had anything close to our 2015 roster and the results bare that out.
One win against a Power 5 team… that's it. Not good.
Too many guys are leaving for the draft and the GL to make this work. I've seen enough.
1 win over a power 5 team since 2015. What more do you need to see? Remember, he gets paid 10 million to win games for UK, not sell his players off to the NBA.
Hey, if you're going to stalk me, at least let me know wth "nods" is.
Thanks in advance.
Of course.
I mean 2015 was awesome. If I could replay that season every year with UK (not the Wisconsin game but the season) I would want that every single year. We flat out killed some pretty good teams.
I agree. It's extremely hard. I mean it's hard to win titles period. To do it the way Cal is, even harder.
Hopefully in the future we can look back on this and be like man Cal's won 2/3 titles here, he did a good job.
Unfortunately, we have some posters that would be so MAD if Cal won a 2nd title here. So it's a real lose/lose scenario.
Just take a look at the programs that are winning titles, look at their rosters. There's a tried and true way to do this, then there's Cal's way.
Yeah but I don't really buy into this.
I mean this OAD model............we are doing it and Duke is right. But far more teams are doing it the traditional way.
So of course teams that win titles are doing it the tried and true way right.
If 355 teams are doing it one way and two teams are doing it differently, well odds are one of the 355 teams are winning the title right? lol
Why even concern yourself with our opinions? You have twisted what we're saying to fit your agenda, why?
Why does it matter to you and Bass? You two are all up in arms about my opinions. I respect your opinions to support Cal, why can't you do the same?
Look at duke's 2019 team and look at our 2015 team. Both were loaded to the max and both choked.
Can you think of a team in the modern era that had as much talent as those two teams besides UK 2012 (nba lockout created that team).
Proof is in the pudding. Coach K is arguably the greatest coach in modern day college basketball, but he couldn’t get 2019 Duke to the FF. Heck, they should have lost the 2 games prior to their E8 loss.
2015 choked and there's no way around that. They choked to a team that had a veteran roster.
That’s all the proof I need to prove that this is a terrible system to run with.
At least tell the truth. You resort to personal attacks and threats when you can’t deal with counter points.
Bottom line Jeff, no new coach. No new players. No new pie in the sky Offense. This is what we got. This is Kentucky. You ain’t getting anything else. How would you fix it with what you have on hand, season underway and piss poor team fundamentals. That’s what we got. Bitching about coaches and new offenses is pointless. They have to fix it with what’s in the tool box. Eat some reality for once.
Na, he's too busy wishing, against all hope, that we never won that 2012 title...
The OAD/rapid turnover has been a problem since Calipari came here... The first 5 years, he got enough talent and had an amazing stretch... the last 5 years, have been a downward spiral... Yeah I know he has won a lot of games, and got to several Elite 8's.. However, this year is the year it has caught up to us... and I don't see a quick way out of it.UK win or Lose this season, you are still going to lose 5-6 guys due to graduation and OAD... and next years recruits are not going to be our savior... just not fun anymore.
That 2019 Duke team had issues tho. That team wasn't even the best team in the ACC that year. You could even debate whether they were even the second best team in that conference.
I never got the impression that was the best team that season. They had Zion Barrett and Tre Jones but very little with the supporting cast. Still a very good team and they did go out earlier than most suspected they could but I don't think they were ever winning the title.
2015 yeah we were the best team. But at the risk of sounding repetitive, the best team doesn't always win. That combined with the fact that 15 Duke and 15 Wisconsin weren't as far behind us as some wanted to believe........welp unfortunately **** happens.
That same teams wins a title in any other year IMO.
FWIW that 2015 Duke was led by Freshman. So it's not always a slam dunk that freshman choke. I mean that team started three freshman. We had more experience on our 15 team than Duke did.
Getting that team to .500 is one of the best coaching jobs I’ve ever seen in any sport. Our tallest player was 6-7 & we had no athleticism to counter the lack of size. But, those guys bought in to what Pitino was selling & played as hard as any team I can remember. No way that team should’ve even sniffed .500.
everyone is capable...but you hit the elephant in the room on the head.
Is he willing to change?
2 years ago, I would have said yes...today?. eh, not so much
They beat LSU who had a guy named Shaguille O’Neil
Cal has been at UK 10 full seasons (no tourney last year) and has taken his teams to the Elite 8 or beyond seven times.
That’s the only stat we need to know that we have one of the best coaches in CBB.
That’s the only stat we need to know that we have one of the best coaches in CBB.
so as long as we're making elite eights every year it's ok if we never win another championship. got it
Yeah no one said that.
What if we had the same level of success in the next 10 years that we had in the first 10? So two titles, EIGHT final fours. Or is that not good enough either?
I think my point is what if we have the same result as the last ten years only minus one championship? Which I would wager is the more likely scenario based on what I've seen over the last five seasons. How long do we have to watch the same slow train wreck year after year before we agree it's time we try something different. 200 other college basketball programs manage to field a team of experienced players. I have absolutely zero faith in the OAD system.
P.S.
since the start of OAD in 2009, only two teams have won the championship by featuring more than one OAD player. Kentucky in 2012 and Duke in 2015. Another fun fact, Villanova lost zero players to the NBA after winning the 2016 championship. If we make it to the elite eight this season we'll lose half our team.
If we make the same final fours in the next 10 years that we did in the first ten odds are he's going to win another title.
As far as the OAD thing goes, again if 355 teams are doing it one way and two teams (UK and Duke) are doing it another way, odds are the title is going to come from one of the 355 teams doing it the other way.
Actually I'd argue the mere fact that UK did win 2012 and Duke did in 2015, that's 2 in the last 8 years. That's not a bad percentage when it's just those two teams doing this.
Here is my opinion as a fan of local teams but no more a UK fan than that of several other schools. I believe many UK fans expect that the top players in the country would want to come to UK just because of the tradition, the overwhelming fan support and the beauty of the bluegrass. That will draw the top players in Kentucky every single year. Unfortunately they are generally not among the top 10 players in the country. And so to attract the top 10 players another hook is needed. Cal discovered that selling yourself as the pipeline to the NBA attracts that top 10. And so that’s what he sells. The downside is the players that are sold that way come strictly because they believe it will get them in the NBA. And that does not keep them around for a second and third years. Sadly you will only get one or the other so long as Cal is selling it that way.
Look at the teams Cal had that went to the FF. All of them had a top 5 talent. Well, Cal isn't getting top 5 talent any longer. I don't know why, but he's not.
Now, the NBA has changed the rules, so kids can go straight to the GL and get paid, right out of hs. So, those guys you're used to seeing in the top 10, aren't going to college, but Cal is still going to pump the NBA to the guys he brings in.
These facts give me no confidence in Cal getting to any final fours in the foreseeable future.
You have to admit, the landscape has changed and Cal is on a downward trend since 2015. He needs to do something to change it, but that means he needs to remove some layers of stubbornness.
Rival fans that view this board get more ammunition to say UK fans are spoiled snot nosed brats. Just flat embarrassing threads popping up.
I think that if Cal maintains the way he's been doing things it no doubt gets even harder because you are 100% correct. The landscape has changed.
I do see a shift tho. I don't think five years ago we would have even looked at a Travis or a Sarr IMO.
Even Cal has to realize that our best teams of 2012 and 2015 were done when kids came back right? I mean those teams didn't have much in terms of upperclassmen but guys stuck around for year 2 and that combined with the freshman just worked.
He's seeing that kids are leaving early and maybe he feels he can't change that aspect. Cause I just don't see Cal ever not taking the best available guy he can get. I just don't think he operates that way. So what do you do in that situation? Get the grad transfers to have some experience on the team.
I feel like he did pivot a bit in this regard. Because when he first came here he did not give a single damn about experience.
He's adjusted a little bit, bit nothing major really.
He's been taking transfers lately because he has to. Most of his too hs targets have been going elsewhere and he keeps losing his entire team to transfer/GL/NBA. He has no choice and he's lucky Sarr became available, because if he didn't, we would be in real trouble this year.
Honestly, the change that needs to be made is the end of his one and done culture. If kids are only coming here because Cal told them he can get them to the NBA, then they are coming here for the wrong reasons. Get the dudes that want to be here.