You need a serious refresher on Title IX. I'm guessing that the entire rifle team has at least partial scholarships.
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that furthers my argument. either way, their status would not change one bit. however, if there's a university out there filling the shooting range with paying customers every weekend, they'd have an option, just like with a full scholarship instead of partial, to go above and beyond to get a particular athlete with additional dollars.
appreciate the condescension, though.
Every proposal that you have made in this thread would be a Title IX violation. If you pay football players you have to provide female athletes with the same dollar amount of pay.
Silly me challenging a law from 1972 as out of date and completely irrelevant to current societal & market conditions in 2019.
Unrelated, but it's really amazing your typewriter is capable of posting to an online message board!
I see that you finally looked up Title IX, very good! Do you really think that Congress is going to change Title IX?
No, I really don't think Congress will do anything because largely they operate the same way as the universities in question. Never-ending revenue stream and minimal accountability (this is not a political statement pls don't suspend).
My proposal is simple and universal, not applicable to just football players: Fair market value for all.
NU would pay up for the best volleyball players in the country without a doubt. Better outcome for all, the potential for more parity nationally, and no impact on the product.
Again, I have a very very hard time understanding why people insist these dollars stay in university vaults instead of in the pockets of those responsible for the revenue generation on the field/court/course/range/whatever.
I’d rather use the money for improved facilities to get the players to come play for Nebraska..
All I have is this, why are you typing all this to us, on this board?? Seems like you have it figured out and have your mind made up on how to work it and how well it would be. Take it to the NCAA and get r done.
I agree with you there, so would I. I don’t want to screw with crap and take some chance of it ruining the sport....if that’s even possible. I know one thing it would do, it would make it just like the MLB, the school/team who makes the most money would pay WAY UP to get said player to said school and the smaller schools...well they might as well quit and pack it up...because they’d never stand a chance again to keep it competitive because they’d rarely get the chance to pay for the top tier talent. No thanks, keep it the way it is.....PLEASE!!!
How come there is not a cry for high school players to get paid?
Shoot, a packed HS game will have between 2,000-10,000...
Say, 5 dollars on average to get in...that is 10,000-50,000 a game.
Those players should be seeing some of that cash!
Shoot, a packed HS game will have between 2,000-10,000...
Say, 5 dollars on average to get in...that is 10,000-50,000 a game.
Those players should be seeing some of that cash!
There is zero chance players will ever get paid more than a standard stipend. CF will go the way of college baseball...basically filled with white guys who can't make the NFL-D league and get paid a salary. Eventually players will enter a bloated drafted out of HS, risk their lives to have a chance at 50k while they play for the Topeka Tornadoes in the hopes of moving up to the Chiefs by the time they are 22.
At a school like NU assuming those numbers are legit...we could easily pay a salary to players that would put them at the national poverty line and we will walk away with $40 million a year or better still.
25000 per football schollie stipend per year times 85 players is only a couple of million more than we already pay
Granted every school can't pay this but don't whine about that crap when we want to exclude small schools in the amateur setting anyway and move to four power conferences
Not sure why title nine figures in for us at least....if Nu had 1000 scholarship athletes it would still leave us basically half our profit. And we don't have 1000 scholarship athletes of either gender
Dudes...you will not believe this.
The other day I am driving by a field and there is a soccer game going on, kids look to be about 6 years old.
I get stopped at the light and I start counting, there must have been 25 parents watching AND they had a concession stand. I can only imagine how much cash they were pulling in...it isn't fair.
Those kids needs to be compensated!
The other day I am driving by a field and there is a soccer game going on, kids look to be about 6 years old.
I get stopped at the light and I start counting, there must have been 25 parents watching AND they had a concession stand. I can only imagine how much cash they were pulling in...it isn't fair.
Those kids needs to be compensated!
If you pay athletes they need to maintain a certain GPA.
They need to pay for their own room ,board and tuition and books...buy their own healthcare.
And if they aren't performing, they can be let go at anytime to avoid paying them.
Do you know how much it costs to advertise yourself playing a sport on primetime TV?
Not one player is worth paying for the price of advertisement dollars.
The school name makes the money. Not the players.. no one in America cares about Adrian Martinez if he played for Monmouth.
Playing Pro sports is not a right. Neither is college.
They need to pay for their own room ,board and tuition and books...buy their own healthcare.
And if they aren't performing, they can be let go at anytime to avoid paying them.
Do you know how much it costs to advertise yourself playing a sport on primetime TV?
Not one player is worth paying for the price of advertisement dollars.
The school name makes the money. Not the players.. no one in America cares about Adrian Martinez if he played for Monmouth.
Playing Pro sports is not a right. Neither is college.
Well the richest schools could pay the players BUT it would a HUGE problem for the poorer schools who are just scraping by today. Can only happen if the richest schools break off into a NFL-like super conference and abandon the NCAA. Top 30 or so teams. And that would make the playing field VERY UNLEVEL.
They could do it like the military. The military pays essentially cost of living through BAH for housing and then you get Tricare for health. They also provide education costs and OJT. The football scholarship portion of compensation is essentially the academic equivalent of that.
Then you get your actual salary in the military which is functionally essentially equivalent to this stipend folks would propose.
Athletes already have to be academically eligible so I don't see why there would need to be more requirements in that regard.
One issue with demanding players now pay for everything out of pocket is that salaries would then have to be higher.NU can either pay higher salary or write off the cost of athlete education internally. In any sort of lawsuit setting no judge ruling in the players favor is going to allow NU to replace full scholarships room and board with a ten thousand dollar a year salary. That would effectively be a net win for NU money wise but not really meet the intent of paying the labor more for what they bring in.
Depending on how they set it up there would also be potential I don't know what to call it .... Anti trust issues. Namely Boeing can't pay you a salary and then demand you live in their homes and eat at their restaurant etc. If we went to a stipend model you either have to do it in the style proposed above where you have the money half and the scholarship half or you basically go full employee model where NU has no on campus resources for athletes and pays them eniough salary to live out on the economy so they don't end up taking all the salary back into their coffers for services.
The product on the field would probably most assuredly suffer under a full employee model. A bunch of 18 year old kids making money with not a whole lot of requirements levied on them or provided to them via on campus resources are probably not going to spend that money in a way that is functionally equivalent to having a training table and all that.
It's probably in the fans best interest to keep the scholarship model going even in a stipend situation if it comes to that.
Depending on how they set it up there would also be potential I don't know what to call it .... Anti trust issues. Namely Boeing can't pay you a salary and then demand you live in their homes and eat at their restaurant etc. If we went to a stipend model you either have to do it in the style proposed above where you have the money half and the scholarship half or you basically go full employee model where NU has no on campus resources for athletes and pays them eniough salary to live out on the economy so they don't end up taking all the salary back into their coffers for services.
The product on the field would probably most assuredly suffer under a full employee model. A bunch of 18 year old kids making money with not a whole lot of requirements levied on them or provided to them via on campus resources are probably not going to spend that money in a way that is functionally equivalent to having a training table and all that.
It's probably in the fans best interest to keep the scholarship model going even in a stipend situation if it comes to that.
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Exactly 90,000 fans aren't lining up to watch a bunch of amateur athletes to watch the Topeka Chiefs. 90,000 fans show up because it says Nebraska, Alabama, or Michigan on their uniforms. In all honesty, the players don't really matter that much. Sure you can have the above average athletes competing in front of a handful of fans and maybe they make up to $50,000 a year. Is that really any better than going to college and getting room and board paid for, getting tuition paid for, competing in front of a hundred thousand fans in a packed stadium, with hundreds of thousands more watching on TV. Not to mention you're treated like gods while you're on campus. And if football doesn't work out for you, hey you now have a college degree to fall back on and tons of connections to get started in a career. Gee, I think all that sounds a little better than making $50,000 a year in a development league.
I have no idea why this is so hard to fathom. Fair market value or a stipend for athletes would not fundamentally change college football or any college sport at all. It is simply moving money from the universities (of course, not ALL the money) benefitting from athlete's likeness/revenue generating activity to the ones directly responsible.
That's it.
Impossible for me to understand why this is so polarizing.
Zion Williamson wouldn't have had an ad deal if he could have this season? And be worth every penny to the company who sponsored him? Okay.
Nobody said it's a right. These kids earn it through their athletic performance. Schools don't just give random kids athletic scholarships. They're earned, every year. How does adding compensation to what they already receive change anything in this regard?
Another problem with the full employer model is that it wouldn't save NU little if any money, and leaves the door open to basically eschew major college football as we know it altogether.
If they set it up such that Adrian Martinez is now an NU employee the same as Frost or or some random Prof or janitor on campus, he's going to get his football salary (stipend if you will) and still qualify for whatever benefits NU employees get. At many universities (read basically all) this includes medical, among other things, and free classes/degrees.
Which is in all honesty a pretty good deal. Although it would more or less take them out from under the protection of the NCAA and student classification. Who is to say that some rich billionaire, say Bezos or Cuban....doesn't see an opportunity to start an NFL developmental league that offers Amazon pay and and benefits, to the top 24 teams worth of football players? Maybe over coffee they talk to their buddies at ESPN or Fox about shifting coverage to this power conference that has no guise of amateurism about it.
Benefits to the player could include free education at a university of their choice, only the high school player never comes under the thumb of a University/NCAA because he signs with a developmental league that offers better pay/benefits? That's a way better deal than going NCAA and putting up with folks who say take your free books and like it, and shut the hell up.
That would more or less, put major college football back at the intended starting point, the good ole boys who are there just to play some ball in between classes (the famed student-athlete), while the folks who are really there just to enter the league are removed to make their money, be in the vidya games, and with marketing rights etc without the guise of amateurism hanging over them. They'll just get their degree like any other employer funded employee get's theirs. The universities will just get outbid for all the best football employees.
If they set it up such that Adrian Martinez is now an NU employee the same as Frost or or some random Prof or janitor on campus, he's going to get his football salary (stipend if you will) and still qualify for whatever benefits NU employees get. At many universities (read basically all) this includes medical, among other things, and free classes/degrees.
Which is in all honesty a pretty good deal. Although it would more or less take them out from under the protection of the NCAA and student classification. Who is to say that some rich billionaire, say Bezos or Cuban....doesn't see an opportunity to start an NFL developmental league that offers Amazon pay and and benefits, to the top 24 teams worth of football players? Maybe over coffee they talk to their buddies at ESPN or Fox about shifting coverage to this power conference that has no guise of amateurism about it.
Benefits to the player could include free education at a university of their choice, only the high school player never comes under the thumb of a University/NCAA because he signs with a developmental league that offers better pay/benefits? That's a way better deal than going NCAA and putting up with folks who say take your free books and like it, and shut the hell up.
That would more or less, put major college football back at the intended starting point, the good ole boys who are there just to play some ball in between classes (the famed student-athlete), while the folks who are really there just to enter the league are removed to make their money, be in the vidya games, and with marketing rights etc without the guise of amateurism hanging over them. They'll just get their degree like any other employer funded employee get's theirs. The universities will just get outbid for all the best football employees.
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Tell me a story about the storied program of Nebraska, that doesn't rely on player or coach names. You can't...the players are the people that made that name worth anything. Nebraska without the right player names is Kansas. A name that isn't worth much as far as football goes.
Heck a bunch of casual NCAAFB fans can't even remember what schools belong to what mascots. But its those ignorant eyeballs that give us $50 million dollar per school TV payouts
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I'm wedded to the classic ideal of the student-athlete (even at a young-ish 37) but I do think that within my lifetime we'll probably have some sort of arrangement for giving players stipends in addition to their scholarships...or potentially at some point so many helicopter moms and grandmoms will wipe out the bulk of the player pool by putting their kids in soccer or some other sport.
Its not like their won't be any kids available to fill rosters, but at some point, the talent level will be diluted enough that the 90,000 people who show up to watch Nebraska jerseys move around well on their own, will decide its not worth the cost/effort to watch the talent level available.
Certainly the rural poor and inner city youth will continue to use football as a stepping stone to something more normal, but I think the future of football is at least partly cloudy with all the issues going on .