Dabo, new 10 year 93m

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That's what a few National Championships can get ya now days. Let's hope Frost's wallet gets a little fatter in the coming years!
 
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another step closer to paying the players ... you can't pay out that type of money and continually insist that there isn't enough money for the players
I'm totally against paying players, but can't say I disagree with you.
 

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Shoot...Dabo is a play away from having 3 straight, right?
The only thing that still SORT of keeps Clemson from being talked about 24/7 is that they are in the ACC. What he has done there is amazing and his recruiting is fantastic.
 

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another step closer to paying the players ... you can't pay out that type of money and continually insist that there isn't enough money for the players
NCAA and member schools continue building the case against themselves. The feds and courts are sniffing around. Non-profit exemptions...
 

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He just had 3 DL go in the first round and is in the playoff every year. No surprise the Brinks truck is beeping up to his door.
 
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So if players are paid do they in turn pay for tuition, room, training table, medical, trips, etc? It could get pretty crazy.
 
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So if players are paid do they in turn pay for tuition, room, training table, medical, trips, etc? It could get pretty crazy.

what?

football at NU generated $95M in revenue in 2017, spent $48M. just a tidy $47M profit, nothing to see here.

academics/room/training table/trips/medical are provided as a cost of doing business, just like starbucks employees get free drinks while they're on the clock or military personnel receive medical treatment.

what's 'pretty crazy' is that people for some reason see college athletics as a beacon of amateurism, an idea that went out the window the second the NCAA accepted its first ad deal.
 

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Just curious...do college students who attend acting classes that put on shows for the general public as part of the class, and sell tickets to the show.....are they paid? Too lazy to look that up.
 

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Just curious...do college students who attend acting classes that put on shows for the general public as part of the class, and sell tickets to the show.....are they paid? Too lazy to look that up.

today? of course not. they're students and I guess should feel lucky to be there in the first place.

I'm for this, also, by the way. Drama club/swing choir should be no different than any other revenue-generating student organization, and should be compensated fairly for their work.

the NCAA & academia are the biggest anti-trust scam artists going
 

Redscarlet

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another step closer to paying the players ... you can't pay out that type of money and continually insist that there isn't enough money for the players

How much do you give them? Their already getting a free education..
 

John_J_Rambo

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How much do you give them? Their already getting a free education..

*they're (lol in an education post)

fair market value, my friend. the only answer.

also, they're not getting a 'free education', they're trading their services (athletics) for the university's (access to education). still have to work for that degree!
 

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today? of course not. they're students and I guess should feel lucky to be there in the first place.

I'm for this, also, by the way. Drama club/swing choir should be no different than any other revenue-generating student organization, and should be compensated fairly for their work.

the NCAA & academia are the biggest anti-trust scam artists going

The scholarship football players are getting a free education. On top of that they are provided a VERY LARGE stage to present themselves and their abilities, and the best trainers available to that University, to an organization that might possibly pay them millions to lift weights and play around with a ball.....just in case the free education wasn't enough.
 

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The scholarship football players are getting a free education. On top of that they are provided a VERY LARGE stage to present themselves and their abilities, and the best trainers available to that University, to an organization that might possibly pay them millions to lift weights and play around with a ball.....just in case the free education wasn't enough.

so, if it weren't for the NCAA they wouldn't have a platform? no chance to make it to the next level? what about baseball? what about the NBA both past and future? If kids were allowed to declare for the NFL draft at 18 you don't think they'd do that? or that the NFL would pick those deserving? do you consider high school athletes, of which all of the above is also true, as getting a 'free education' as well?

again, they're trading services not being gifted something for no reason. last I checked you don't get a degree when you sign your LOI.
 

Redscarlet

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*they're (lol in an education post)

fair market value, my friend. the only answer.

also, they're not getting a 'free education', they're trading their services (athletics) for the university's (access to education). still have to work for that degree!

:rolleyes:
They don’t work for the degree they study for the degree if you want to get technical...

And some university’s can’t afford paying players easier than some other universities, that is plain fact..
 
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I don't think players will get paid in my lifetime. I cannot even begin to imagine all the ambulance chasing lawyers that would line up to take on the Universities to make sure every athlete gets some, if the football players do. It just isn't gonna happen.
 
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so, if it weren't for the NCAA they wouldn't have a platform? no chance to make it to the next level? what about baseball? what about the NBA both past and future? If kids were allowed to declare for the NFL draft at 18 you don't think they'd do that? or that the NFL would pick those deserving? do you consider high school athletes, of which all of the above is also true, as getting a 'free education' as well?

again, they're trading services not being gifted something for no reason. last I checked you don't get a degree when you sign your LOI.

Dude have you seen how big those dudes in the NFL are? They dwarf the field. You're telling me a high school age male can take the hits of a 28 year old man who has 10 years of weight training over him?
 

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They don’t work for the degree they study for the degree if you want to get technical...

And some university’s can’t afford paying players easier than some other universities, that is plain fact..

dude, it's called homework. the word 'work' is literally right in the name, so I have no clue what you're talking about here.

and, of course. those same schools have a harder time competing now, too, without paying anyone. the A's can't afford the same players as the Yankees, so they do things differently and MLB tries to help with revenue sharing (a model that's already in place today via conference dollar-sharing for every D1 program in the country).

next....
 

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Dude have you seen how big those dudes in the NFL are? They dwarf the field. You're telling me a high school age male can take the hits of a 28 year old man who has 10 years of weight training over him?

a 20-year old (who's eligible for the draft) is so significantly different than an 18-year old?

I bet Trevor Lawrence would fit right into an NFL QB room today, and there are many, many more examples. Not every kid would declare (obviously), but those with significant dollars to potentially lose should something happen in college absolutely would and should be allowed to. And they'd unquestionably be drafted.

the XFL would be very wise to allow 18-year olds to join their league and be paid as a way to get to the NFL while receiving fair compensation for their work, but I highly doubt they'll legally be allowed to even if they wanted.
 

Redscarlet

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dude, it's called homework. the word 'work' is literally right in the name, so I have no clue what you're talking about here.

and, of course. those same schools have a harder time competing now, too, without paying anyone. the A's can't afford the same players as the Yankees, so they do things differently and MLB tries to help with revenue sharing (a model that's already in place today via conference dollar-sharing for every D1 program in the country).

next....

Don’t change the narrative by bringing up how MLB does it...And all teams in a conference doesn’t make the same amount of money as in other conference.o_O

It’s still studying passing courses you don’t work for a test.. You work to make a income.;)
 

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dude, it's called homework. the word 'work' is literally right in the name, so I have no clue what you're talking about here.

and, of course. those same schools have a harder time competing now, too, without paying anyone. the A's can't afford the same players as the Yankees, so they do things differently and MLB tries to help with revenue sharing (a model that's already in place today via conference dollar-sharing for every D1 program in the country).

next....

...well if its work then why can I go just do the home work and not pay the professor? I'm beginning to think I'm the one being cheated here...
 
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what?

football at NU generated $95M in revenue in 2017, spent $48M. just a tidy $47M profit, nothing to see here.

academics/room/training table/trips/medical are provided as a cost of doing business, just like starbucks employees get free drinks while they're on the clock or military personnel receive medical treatment.

what's 'pretty crazy' is that people for some reason see college athletics as a beacon of amateurism, an idea that went out the window the second the NCAA accepted its first ad deal.

So you are comparing a free starbucks and medical treatment to a college education for 4-6 years and everything that goes with it? OK

I also thought everyone thinks we are flush with money and it is time to build some more facilities so there goes most of that money. Oh and you want coaches for non revenue producing sports. Lots of things to figure in.
 

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a 20-year old (who's eligible for the draft) is so significantly different than an 18-year old?

I bet Trevor Lawrence would fit right into an NFL QB room today, and there are many, many more examples. Not every kid would declare (obviously), but those with significant dollars to potentially lose should something happen in college absolutely would and should be allowed to. And they'd unquestionably be drafted.

the XFL would be very wise to allow 18-year olds to join their league and be paid as a way to get to the NFL while receiving fair compensation for their work, but I highly doubt they'll legally be allowed to even if they wanted.

Ok so now you're trying advocate for a wholesale change to how football training works from high school all the way through to the NFL.

The only thing I can say to that I guess is it might not matter if they start nerfing football so much it becomes unwatchable to a lot of guys. They might have to make wholesale changes...
 

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...well if its work then why can I go just do the home work and not pay the professor? I'm beginning to think I'm the one being cheated here...

you are being cheated. you're subject to an unconstitutional monopoly that is higher academia, and there should be an option for someone to achieve accreditation via other routes than university degrees.

also - @scarletred - I did not change the narrative one bit. I provided an example directly related to the topic at hand. If anything, paying players would much further level the playing field for all programs to attract top talent, as Prairie View A&M's cash is just as green as Ohio State's. For example.
 

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you are being cheated. you're subject to an unconstitutional monopoly that is higher academia, and there should be an option for someone to achieve accreditation via other routes than university degrees.

also - @scarletred - I did not change the narrative one bit. I provided an example directly related to the topic at hand. If anything, paying players would much further level the playing field for all programs to attract top talent, as Prairie View A&M's cash is just as green as Ohio State's. For example.

Lol, well, ok.

There is always apprenticeship. But apprenticeship has you doing revenue producing work for the company.....and you still had to pay for the education to be an electrician or ET, or HVAC tech.
 

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So you are comparing a free starbucks and medical treatment to a college education for 4-6 years and everything that goes with it? OK

I also thought everyone thinks we are flush with money and it is time to build some more facilities so there goes most of that money. Oh and you want coaches for non revenue producing sports. Lots of things to figure in.

Gee, what a crazy radical idea to ask universities to operate like the rest of the world has for centuries.
 

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Lol, well, ok.

There is always apprenticeship. But apprenticeship has you doing revenue producing work for the company.....and you still had to pay for the education to be an electrician or ET, or HVAC tech.

a good example and great, if limited, option. apprenticeship should be much more widely available in every industry, in my opinion.

however, an apprentice is not often (ever) the face of the franchise/most recognizable employee, nor are they doing the company's most important/highest revenue work, which is exactly what universities ask of their college football players & athletes in general.

this is more of an argument for letting high school kids who can go pro, expand those rosters and learn their trade from those already doing it. they can pursue academics on their own dime, if they'd like.
 

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Top Gun, Surely you know that Football pays for all the other non revenue making sports the university has...

So if the football players are getting paid, all the rest of the university student athletes would have to get paid equally in both Men and Women sports as well..
 

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Top Gun, Surely you know that Football pays for all the other non revenue making sports the university has...

So if the football players are getting paid, all the rest of the university student athletes would have to get paid equally in both Men and Women sports as well..

Surely. And what's wrong with that? Again, fair market value, regardless of sport. For a vast majority, that fair market value will be a scholarship & won't change anything.

I have a really hard time understanding why folks are so hellbent on protecting this unencumbered revenue stream universities have been bloating themselves on for decades while exploiting their most valuable assets.
 
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Top Gun, Surely you know that Football pays for all the other non revenue making sports the university has...

So if the football players are getting paid, all the rest of the university student athletes would have to get paid equally in both Men and Women sports as well..
This. All but maybe 20-25 athletic departments currently rely on student fees and outright university subsidies to balance their budget, throw in salaries for every athlete from football to rifle and it would force most universities to eliminate all men's money losing sports.
 
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This. All but maybe 20-25 athletic departments currently rely on student fees and outright university subsidies to balance their budget, throw in salaries for every athlete from football to rifle and it would force most universities to eliminate all men's money losing sports.

Fair market value is not a guaranteed salary for every athlete. Again, for the vast majority of athletes, nothing will change. I'm not positive, but I'd be pretty surprised if any rifle team members are on scholarship today.
 
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