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NorthwoodHusker

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I saw an article in the recent past that said the median net worth of Americans is about 97K. Assuming that your value is the amount of money you could expend to save yourself, then we're worth about 100k each.

Coincidentally, I believe the Dept of Labor will pay my wife 100k if I die as part of my federal death benefits. Its been a minute since I looked up the particulars on that.
Hope she doesn't cook you mushrooms ;), then she can't sneak up on you anywho.
 

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I agree the amount is probably too high and I'm surprised it was written the way it was. But even then that part of the bill was going to account for a small fraction of the funds. Would it really be worth delaying the emergency relief bill when you know damn well the Democrats are going to bring up the issue of oversight to companies who are also receiving funds? Everything in that bill including aid to hospitals, businesses, etc. could have been delayed weeks if the Republicans would have thrown a fit about unemployment being too high.

It puts employers in a weird spot. I own a hotel which is of course a tough thing to own right about now. So my staff is going on unemployment but as soon as the forgivable loan comes through they will have to adjust from going from $3500 about 50% above their normal take home to about $1,800 per month. That’s going to suck for them but I don’t have much of a choice and if they turn down the work they get nothing. Of course $1,800 per month to mostly sit on their butts until the stay at home orders are done isn’t the end of the world. They may have to eat a lot of rice or whatever but rent and utilities will be taken care of for them.

i think both sides of the aisle realized the dynamic and that the unemployment part of the package wouldn’t end up being used a ton in the small business realm or at least only as a bridge until the forgivable loan comes through.
 

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Geez, if Prince Charles could survive the C virus, I can sleep easy knowing I can too
 

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It puts employers in a weird spot. I own a hotel which is of course a tough thing to own right about now. So my staff is going on unemployment but as soon as the forgivable loan comes through they will have to adjust from going from $3500 about 50% above their normal take home to about $1,800 per month. That’s going to suck for them but I don’t have much of a choice and if they turn down the work they get nothing. Of course $1,800 per month to mostly sit on their butts until the stay at home orders are done isn’t the end of the world. They may have to eat a lot of rice or whatever but rent and utilities will be taken care of for them.

i think both sides of the aisle realized the dynamic and that the unemployment part of the package wouldn’t end up being used a ton in the small business realm or at least only as a bridge until the forgivable loan comes through.
Sounds about right, and those problems wont exist in other areas like truck driving,delivery,ubers, restaurants etc, where transitions will be smoother, before people start traveling alot again,allowing for your industry a little revving up time.
 

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Geez, if Prince Charles could survive the C virus, I can sleep easy knowing I can too
I've seen a few things, being heavy and having another thing, heart,diabetes etc are the highest at risk folks.
Older folks, its being in shape,relatively, and not having those other problems that would keep you from being in good shape to begin with.
No ones out of the woods here, the young and healthy have died too, but thats more rare. It only stands to reason, the older healthier folks have far greater chances, where their bodies have a higher level to fight this without overcoming itself.
 

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This is crazy and needs to change
Not sure about the accuracy, but when donating blood they sure ask a lot of HIV type questions, sexual behavior, drug use, travel etc. Could be related to that. I was told they have a way to test the blood for presence of HIV. But I can't swear to that as being absolutely true
 

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Sounds about right, and those problems wont exist in other areas like truck driving,delivery,ubers, restaurants etc, where transitions will be smoother, before people start traveling alot again,allowing for your industry a little revving up time.

I’m in a college town. School getting back in session is the big one for us. Well summers are great too I’d leisure travel goes into overdrive. But next fall is going to be tough if the University is still teaching classes remotely
 

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My wife owns a daycare. I told her that she should go out and get one of these “loans” to help pay the rent, utilities, etc and then close the daycare and file for unemployment. I was only half serious. Maybe. :D
Does she run it herself or does she have full-time employees
 

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My wife owns a daycare. I told her that she should go out and get one of these “loans” to help pay the rent, utilities, etc and then close the daycare and file for unemployment. I was only half serious. Maybe. :D
Nevermind. I scrolled down and saw someone already gave you your answer!!
 

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I’m in a college town. School getting back in session is the big one for us. Well summers are great too I’d leisure travel goes into overdrive. But next fall is going to be tough if the University is still teaching classes remotely
The ages, viability of your business, the college ,the businesses that rely on this, we will have this in the bag by then.
Money turning over eight times before it leaves communities like yours,or,your situation, is being watched, and that collision of cure, or reactions to cure is getting closer, and at some point, governors are going to pull the trigger, regardless.
I should add, Mike Dewine, gov of ohio stated may 8th peak for ohio. De escalation will be much faster, as current numbers are behind by two weeks, they'll be two weeks ahead on the other side, so, expect high ramp up, like new yorks going through now, to peak, should be two weeks less on the back side, it wont be finished, but by then, everythings open,revved and in place, we'll be ahead at that point.
 
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it's always 2 weeks from now, 1 month from now, it's coming, it's coming.

unemployment doesn't leave 80% asymptomatic. unemployment impacts children greatly. unemployment's r0 is much greater than 3-4.
 

NorthwoodHusker

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Another false prophet getting attention.
Theres simply no need to use data from another country, as when these numbers were pulled, it came with most the warts, but no overcoming of our healthcare systems, so actually, very accurate as it applies going forwards to better equipped states than new york was.
So, a more worse case scenario, leaving alot of room for improvement, some natural, some we will be ahead of.
Oh, and this 'expert' comes in days later, with our curves more well defined, making him look,well,to me, an idiot wanting to be right.
 

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The ages, viability of your business, the college ,the businesses that rely on this, we will have this in the bag by then.
Money turning over eight times before it leaves communities like yours,or,your situation, is being watched, and that collision of cure, or reactions to cure is getting closer, and at some point, governors are going to pull the trigger, regardless.
I should add, Mike Dewine, gov of ohio stated may 8th peak for ohio. De escalation will be much faster, as current numbers are behind by two weeks, they'll be two weeks ahead on the other side, so, expect high ramp up, like new yorks going through now, to peak, should be two weeks less on the back side, it wont be finished, but by then, everythings open,revved and in place, we'll be ahead at that point.

My business will be fine in the long run. To be honest I’m more concerned about my son. He may be high functioning ASD (the “experts” can’t seem to agree.). He was in pre school and was making huge strides with his communication skills and cooperative play. Hope this period of isolation doesn’t set him back too far. Really hope things are good by August bc he got into this terrific program. The staff (who all have doctorates and masters degrees) are confident that in a year (it runs August to August) they can get him ready for kindegarten such that he won’t need any assistance or an individualized education plan.

The effect that this isolation may have on young students with developmental delay is an underreported aspect of the crisis.
 

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Another false prophet getting attention.
Theres simply no need to use data from another country, as when these numbers were pulled, it came with most the warts, but no overcoming of our healthcare systems, so actually, very accurate as it applies going forwards to better equipped states than new york was.
So, a more worse case scenario, leaving alot of room for improvement, some natural, some we will be ahead of.
Oh, and this 'expert' comes in days later, with our curves more well defined, making him look,well,to me, an idiot wanting to be right.

I really don't think anyone knows anything at this point. I really haven't seen any company or person put out stats that have been spot even most of the time. It might be out there, but yeah, everyone is trying to produce a model and there is no one you can really rely on. I think that is one of the biggest problems with this pandemic. There is just so much unknown.
 
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My business will be fine in the long run. To be honest I’m more concerned about my son. He may be high functioning ASD (the “experts” can’t seem to agree.). He was in pre school and was making huge strides with his communication skills and cooperative play. Hope this period of isolation doesn’t set him back too far. Really hope things are good by August bc he got into this terrific program. The staff (who all have doctorates and masters degrees) are confident that in a year (it runs August to August) they can get him ready for kindegarten such that he won’t need any assistance or an individualized education plan.

The effect that this isolation may have on young students with developmental delay is an underreported aspect of the crisis.

I don't think most business's will be fine in the long run...I think most are going to be behind for a very long time and at some point many will just pull the plug and say screw it to the suppliers they owe and go under. Hope I'm wrong, but as a small biz owner in my previous life, it would have devastated us to go months with almost nothing coming in the front door, as your overhead stays the same. Then the domino affect is the employees who used to work there no longer do or have a job so now they're impacted as well and finding replacement work is going to be challenging to say the least.
 

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My business will be fine in the long run. To be honest I’m more concerned about my son. He may be high functioning ASD (the “experts” can’t seem to agree.). He was in pre school and was making huge strides with his communication skills and cooperative play. Hope this period of isolation doesn’t set him back too far. Really hope things are good by August bc he got into this terrific program. The staff (who all have doctorates and masters degrees) are confident that in a year (it runs August to August) they can get him ready for kindegarten such that he won’t need any assistance or an individualized education plan.

The effect that this isolation may have on young students with developmental delay is an underreported aspect of the crisis.
Big thing is, he may long for it, nice surprise, and be more attentive to 'get in the groove'. :)
 

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You tell me.

It seems like there are 2 sets of doctors.

Those who are ready to push the apocalypse and want the worst case scenario so they can blame Trump.

And then those who aren't hysterical liberals.


there will be different hot spots at different times .. much like things were calm in Italy when China was severely affected .. or quiet in NYC when Washington was getting hit

your quote is analogous to saying that the generals on the ground during the Normandy invasion were hysterical reactionaries because the generals on the ground back in the UK were saying all was quiet there
 

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Apparently an Italian Governor was called racist and all kinds of names by his colleagues for suggesting Chinese travelers be tested upon entering the country. Told him that he was the reason why Italy wasn't respected by the world.

Their health department said that they were prepared for an emergency. Where have I heard that before? :rolleyes: NYC
#PCKills

With all the talk by US governors and officials about taking advantage of this pandemic for social change, hard not to think of this as a "stand down" order in many countries to facilitate this change.
 

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Apparently an Italian Governor was called racist and all kinds of names by his colleagues for suggesting Chinese travelers be tested upon entering the company.
#PCKills

Easy solution. Just test everyone that comes into your country. Or if you can't do that, test everyone that comes from a country that is a hot spot.
 

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there will be different hot spots at different times .. much like things were calm in Italy when China was severely affected .. or quiet in NYC when Washington was getting hit

your quote is analogous to saying that the generals on the ground during the Normandy invasion were hysterical reactionaries because the generals on the ground back in the UK were saying all was quiet there
wish the medical experts, public health pros & gov't leaders were a little more Churchill and a little less Chamberlain about now.
 

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Apparently an Italian Governor was called racist and all kinds of names by his colleagues for suggesting Chinese travelers be tested upon entering the country. Told him that he was the reason why Italy wasn't respected by the world.

Their health department said that they were prepared for an emergency. Where have I heard that before? :rolleyes: NYC
#PCKills

With all the talk by US governors and officials about taking advantage of this pandemic for social change, hard not to think of this as a "stand down" order in many countries to facilitate this change.
Saving face is bad enough, then politicizing it much worse. It's a weakness.
 

NorthwoodHusker

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Run him into the ground. Or, conspiracy theories rule.
Maybe its a state run (federal) russian delegation?

One thing we know, its not for harry n meagan, if thats their names ;)
 

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Yah I mean its not like the economy dropped out on its own. Other factors....kicking the financial can for decades and then force stopping the economy may just trigger those chain reactions. You don't just stop those by going back into the office.

The stimulus bill allows folks easy access to their 401k so that is something to keep an eye on. The fact that they added that function tells me they expect people to do it in large numbers.

Also remains to be see what structure remains in place after this is all over. If you lose a huge percentage of small business in the next couple months it'll be a slower start than it otherwise should have been (or even large business for that matter). On this point, the Donald has certainly been nervous.

There will be more stimulus, I'm fairly certain on that. But I could easily be wrong.

Economies are driven by real wealth. Does America have real wealth? Oil(check), Arable Land(Check), Coal(check), Advanced Education(Check), Mineral Wealth(Mostly Check), Technology(check), Infrastructure(Mostly Check)....there is a lot of manipulation in our economy that has lead to more millionaires and billionaires in our history while real buying power of the peasant has dropped. This has been caused by the exporting of our wealth. We have no grain reserves, we have high transportation costs while exporting more oil than almost any country on earth, our military budget is bloated to say the least. But we still have a relatively educated population, we still have more port access than any other country on earth, we still have massive mineral wealth, and we have technology or the ability to create technology that can expand wealth. Ironically our biggest issue is labor, many americans will not work the jobs that growth wealth at the highest level...ie food production, energy production, and even manufacturing. Our saving grace has been our immigrant population that has filled this to role as they tend to be sober, work hard, and fill jobs at low cost, which drives down costs for average americans. America will bounce back really quickly because we have no fundamental flaws in our system...we are America because of our geographical position, arable land, mineral wealth, and port access. And because Europe and Asia fail to unite which allows our hegemony to be maintained. Those factors haven't changed because of a Pandemic.
 

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Don’t like it here? GTFO!

You sound like a British loyalist. Remember this country was founded by rebels. They didn't like it and they didn't leave. #murica

wish the medical experts, public health pros & gov't leaders were a little more Churchill and a little less Chamberlain about now.

They are the same to me, both needed America's might. Love it or leave it bud. #back2backWWchamps
 

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wish the medical experts, public health pros & gov't leaders were a little more Churchill and a little less Chamberlain about now.


I don't think many public health experts are preaching the Chamberlain strategy of appeasement but rather the need for empathy and sacrifice

 

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Not sure about the accuracy, but when donating blood they sure ask a lot of HIV type questions, sexual behavior, drug use, travel etc. Could be related to that. I was told they have a way to test the blood for presence of HIV. But I can't swear to that as being absolutely true
Its the first thing I thought of and it sucks that they would be stereotyped that way but I get it.
 
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