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NorthwoodHusker

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Yeah, it was south of us but very weird to experience. I'm used to tornadoes and blizzards, but not earthquakes!
UPDATE: The U.S. Geological Survey reporting a 6.5 magnitude earthquake 45 miles west of Challis, Idaho.

Citizens reporting effects felt as far out as Missoula, Spokane, and Salt Lake City.

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BREAKING: An earthquake with a reported preliminary estimated magnitude of 6.4 felt on the Idaho Palouse moments ago.

We will update this story as more information becomes available.
Thats a thumper,rumbler, used to live in cali.
Beware moutain passes for loose boulders.
 

Solana Beach Husker

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seems it needs to be a state by state, region by region approach. Why stop certain areas from starting work until everyone is well? It may take many months for the whole country to calm down, all while people aren't making money or providing for their families.
I would say 85-95% of Americans have co-mobidities. Military isn't absolved. They fat too.
It is going to take a lot of patience to watch New York go back to work and Texas is just entering their lockdown, especially if the president pushes for some magical day of celebration. Some state politicians are certainly less independent of the president than others.
 

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It is going to take a lot of patience to watch New York go back to work and Texas is just entering their lockdown, especially if the president pushes for some magical day of celebration. Some state politicians are certainly less independent of the president than others.
But some believe chinas numbers, and believe there is no second wave?
If we abandone our time when it's critical, no matter where, we will cause great harm.
 

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So that $2 trillion number isn't surprising. Lot of economic gurus were saying $2 trillion bailout wouldn't be enough and the real number was $4-5 trillion. Assuming that number holds combined with the first bailout that's $4.2 trillion.

Plus several trillion in quantitative easing. That number is rapidly going up. We may double the debt as some folks guessed.
Yes and it will be well worth it when it likely leads to a far speedier recovery. Otherwise you may be looking at a form of austerity policies in a time where business and job losses are high and when has that ever worked?
 

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Yes and it will be well worth it when it likely leads to a far speedier recovery. Otherwise you may be looking at a form of austerity policies in a time where business and job losses are high and when has that ever worked?

The overall price tag is probably what, 5+ trillion in direct plus the Fed interventions?

We are Greece, with a much greater GDP and diverse economic base, when it's all said and done.

I just hope we can recover from this, like I said, Downtown WPB is a wasteland right now...
 

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Second wave won't happen until next winter. Unfortunately might coincide with flu season for the most vulnerable. Hopefully it will give us time to get the therapeutics a chance to work. U don't see vaccine until fall of 2021. Damn Chinese viral researches...yes I am right on this
 

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It is going to take a lot of patience to watch New York go back to work and Texas is just entering their lockdown, especially if the president pushes for some magical day of celebration. Some state politicians are certainly less independent of the president than others.

Solana, you got your "lockdown." The recovery is at least 2 months away. Enjoy the Political Victory!!!
 

NorthwoodHusker

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Second wave won't happen until next winter. Unfortunately might coincide with flu season for the most vulnerable. Hopefully it will give us time to get the therapeutics a chance to work. U don't see vaccine until fall of 2021. Damn Chinese viral researches...yes I am right on this
Not that, but a man made one. China literally shut down a section of their country, other sections will be getting it too.
While a natural second wave is true, but we also have no data on seasonal effect, as this is very transmissible.
 

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Rachel Moscow on msdnc said it wouldn't be here this week, only because Trump said it would.
We need to pull together, and condemn people like that to history.
You know that was fake propaganda right? Her segment was the week before so she was actually right.
 

chicolby

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You know she was right, right? This clip was taken the week prior and indeed the ship didn’t make it the next week. Just another case of misinformation being spread for political gain.
 

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number of ventilators isn’t the problem - the number of ventilators that currently exist far exceeds the number of people that can competently manage a complex respiratory disease such that those that get placed on a them have some chance of liberating from the ventilator. It is really easy to put someone on a ventilator - not having enough people to manage them only ensures a slow, uncomfortable death while on said ventilator.

I make the analogy to juggling. Say someone can juggle 5 balls really well. What is going to happen if they all of a sudden they try to juggle 10 or 15. All the balls are going to get dropped.
Boom. I've been trying to tell people that for a couple of weeks now. I think some people including Cuomo think putting somebody on a vent is like hooking up your fish tank aerator.
 

chicolby

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So all those other countries who have worse per capita number on cases and deaths. Is Trump also their president? I am not saying Trump has handled this perfectly. He has made errors. For F sake the last pandemic of this level was 100 years ago, it is safe to say not a leader in the world has dealt with a situation like this before. There are going to be mistakes made. When looking at population difference US is holding pretty equally or better with most of the developed nations.
I understand it is more gratifying to bash the opposing party leaders for everything they do wrong during a crisis. All in all there isn't a GD person in the country I would trust more or less right now. They are all in the same boat. We are all in this together lets all stop playing politics, shut the F up and lets get through this together. Can go back to blaming and hating the other side when this is all over if it makes one feel better.
There were significant warnings that were not taken seriously. Additionally there was an entire playbook for handling a pandemic that went unseen. I guess because it came from the previous President. This isn’t just “we’ve made some mistakes but who wouldn’t” this is - we may have handled this worse than ANY OTHER COUNTRY bad.
 
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You know that was fake propaganda right? Her segment was the week before so she was actually right.
Here is Maddow’s words on March 20th:

In terms of the happy talk we`ve had on this front from the federal government, there is no sign that the Navy hospital ships that the president made such a big deal of, the Comfort and the Mercy, there`s no sign that they`ll be anywhere on-site helping out anywhere in the country for weeks yet. The president said when he announced that those ships would be put into action against the COVID-19 epidemic. He said one of those ships would be operational in New York harbor by next week. That`s nonsense. It will not be there next week.

I believe that one of the ships arrived in New York yesterday(March 30th). So, technically they didn’t quite make it next week(2 days late), they made it a lot earlier than she said they would.
 

chicolby

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You know the president said next week right?
Again look at the date of the clip. The clip was March 20th. It didn’t arrive the next week. Everyone is thrilled when it arrived but she wasn’t wrong when she said it wouldn’t be there the next week. Makes for fun easily shareable propaganda though.
 

chicolby

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Here is Maddow’s words on March 20th:

In terms of the happy talk we`ve had on this front from the federal government, there is no sign that the Navy hospital ships that the president made such a big deal of, the Comfort and the Mercy, there`s no sign that they`ll be anywhere on-site helping out anywhere in the country for weeks yet. The president said when he announced that those ships would be put into action against the COVID-19 epidemic. He said one of those ships would be operational in New York harbor by next week. That`s nonsense. It will not be there next week.

I believe that one of the ships arrived in New York yesterday(March 30th). So, technically they didn’t quite make it next week(2 days late), they made it a lot earlier than she said they would.
Yes exactly. Very happy they arrived when they did. It just wasn’t factual - but that’s nothing new in these days.
 
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There were significant warnings that were not taken seriously. Additionally there was an entire playbook for handling a pandemic that went unseen. I guess because it came from the previous President. This isn’t just “we’ve made some mistakes but who wouldn’t” this is - we may have handled this worse than ANY OTHER COUNTRY bad.
You do realize that they put their own playbook together, right? What’s to say that Obama’s playbook was better than what they have?

in fact, here are the words in a Politico article from an NSC official on the playbook that Obama left them:

An NSC official confirmed the existence of the playbook but dismissed its value. “We are aware of the document, although it’s quite dated and has been superseded by strategic and operational biodefense policies published since,” the official said. “The plan we are executing now is a better fit, more detailed, and applies the relevant lessons learned from the playbook and the most recent Ebola epidemic in the [Democratic Republic of the Congo] to COVID-19.”

A health department spokesperson also said that the NSC playbook was not part of the current coronavirus strategy. “The HHS COVID-19 response was informed by more recent plans such as the foundation of the National Biodefense Strategy (2018), Biological Incident Annex (2017),and panCAP (2018) among other key plans provided by the CDC, White House Task Force, FEMA, and other key federal departments and agencies,” the spokesperson said.
 

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It's finally quietly coming to light. The state of ny f'd up. They were warned and chose not to invest in their future back in 2015
 

NorthwoodHusker

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Here is Maddow’s words on March 20th:

In terms of the happy talk we`ve had on this front from the federal government, there is no sign that the Navy hospital ships that the president made such a big deal of, the Comfort and the Mercy, there`s no sign that they`ll be anywhere on-site helping out anywhere in the country for weeks yet. The president said when he announced that those ships would be put into action against the COVID-19 epidemic. He said one of those ships would be operational in New York harbor by next week. That`s nonsense. It will not be there next week.

I believe that one of the ships arrived in New York yesterday(March 30th). So, technically they didn’t quite make it next week(2 days late), they made it a lot earlier than she said they would.
Thank you. Two days. Yet lets keep spreading gloom and doom. No fact checking.
It needs to stop, not for me, not for many of us, but the people can't afford to believe in this in these times.

Sorry, but truth these days is hard to find, bickering is a waste.
 

HUSKERFAN66

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There were significant warnings that were not taken seriously. Additionally there was an entire playbook for handling a pandemic that went unseen. I guess because it came from the previous President. This isn’t just “we’ve made some mistakes but who wouldn’t” this is - we may have handled this worse than ANY OTHER COUNTRY bad.
Then someone didn't give Cuomo the memo and someone left a broken system.

That said what's the situation your way??
 

chicolby

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You do realize that they put their own playbook together, right? What’s to say that Obama’s playbook was better than what they have?

in fact, here are the words in a Politico article from an NSC official on the playbook that Obama left them:
An NSC official confirmed the existence of the playbook but dismissed its value. “We are aware of the document, although it’s quite dated and has been superseded by strategic and operational biodefense policies published since,” the official said. “The plan we are executing now is a better fit, more detailed, and applies the relevant lessons learned from the playbook and the most recent Ebola epidemic in the [Democratic Republic of the Congo] to COVID-19.”

A health department spokesperson also said that the NSC playbook was not part of the current coronavirus strategy. “The HHS COVID-19 response was informed by more recent plans such as the foundation of the National Biodefense Strategy (2018), Biological Incident Annex (2017),and panCAP (2018) among other key plans provided by the CDC, White House Task Force, FEMA, and other key federal departments and agencies,” the spokesperson said.
Timing is everything. When was their own playbook created and when did they start to follow it?
 

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You do realize that they put their own playbook together, right? What’s to say that Obama’s playbook was better than what they have?

in fact, here are the words in a Politico article from an NSC official on the playbook that Obama left them:

An NSC official confirmed the existence of the playbook but dismissed its value. “We are aware of the document, although it’s quite dated and has been superseded by strategic and operational biodefense policies published since,” the official said. “The plan we are executing now is a better fit, more detailed, and applies the relevant lessons learned from the playbook and the most recent Ebola epidemic in the [Democratic Republic of the Congo] to COVID-19.”

A health department spokesperson also said that the NSC playbook was not part of the current coronavirus strategy. “The HHS COVID-19 response was informed by more recent plans such as the foundation of the National Biodefense Strategy (2018), Biological Incident Annex (2017),and panCAP (2018) among other key plans provided by the CDC, White House Task Force, FEMA, and other key federal departments and agencies,” the spokesperson said.
Thank you for posting that.
 

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number of ventilators isn’t the problem - the number of ventilators that currently exist far exceeds the number of people that can competently manage a complex respiratory disease such that those that get placed on a them have some chance of liberating from the ventilator. It is really easy to put someone on a ventilator - not having enough people to manage them only ensures a slow, uncomfortable death while on said ventilator.

I make the analogy to juggling. Say someone can juggle 5 balls really well. What is going to happen if they all of a sudden they try to juggle 10 or 15. All the balls are going to get dropped.

agree personnel is also a huge issue
 

dinglefritz

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Timing is everything. When was their own playbook created and when did they start to follow it?
just stop. 99.99% of the CDC's staff stayed on board when Trump was elected. There's been a playbook in place. The issue is that this virus didn't behave like the SARs virus did. MANY people thought/hoped this one would peter out like SARS did virtually all on it's own. To take some of the actions the arm chair Monday morning QBs think we should have done earlier would have been met with open revolt. IF anybody should have done something it was cities should have shut down their mass transit, bars and restaurants much earlier than they did. Cuomo has nobody to blame but himself. My wife is a pulmonologist who will be running your vent if you get sick in our town. She really didn't think this was going to be that big of a deal until things hit the fan in Washington state. Second guessing and blaming the other guy is disgusting IMO. And yes she's seen COVID-19 patients.
 
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I'm just a prophet. I also started the 'rain for Frost's opening game' thread for instance. Just like Cassandra, I have this gift, but no one ever believes me.
 

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just stop. 99.99% of the CDC's staff stayed on board when Trump was elected. There's been a playbook in place. The issue is that this virus didn't behave like the SARs virus did. MANY people thought/hoped this one would peter out like SARS did virtually all on it's own. To take some of the actions the arm chair Monday morning QBs think we should have done earlier would have been met with open revolt. IF anybody should have done something it was cities should have shut down their mass transit, bars and restaurants much earlier than they did. Cuomo has nobody to blame but himself. My wife is a pulmonologist who will be running your vent if you get sick in our town. She really didn't think this was going to be that big of a deal until things hit the fan in Washington state. Second guessing and blaming the other guy is disgusting IMO. And yes she's seen COVID-19 patients.

Well it hit Washington on January 19th...I was very surprised by the laid back nature of our response. The first patient was in his 30s and nearly died. They didn't contact trace or quarantine any of his contacts. The patient was likely contagious for NINE days before he went to the hospital including on the plane ride in. He had a cough for four days before coming in...of course the Washington cluster is only one of maybe a dozen that popped up but it shows how we as a collective unit were not prepared. There was WAY too much self-isolation of the isolated cases while we were quarantining people from the princess in Ashland...just very inconsistent. We are very hesitant to look like we care, like caring takes away our freedoms, and to some extent this explains our obesity, diabetes, and heart disease levels. It also explains why we don't wear masks in public and we are not careful during flu season about personal contact. I've known too many people that would rather get sick or be unhealthy rather than care and look stupid or sacrifice a big ole' steak topped with bacon.
 

NorthwoodHusker

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Leave my steak n bacon alone.
Everyone takes risks, like if you ever have flown,I could say, you're too much a risk taker while also polluting.
Meat is exactly whats made us as big as we are, and some insist it assisted our brain development.

Not getting certain things from meats aren't easily replaced etc etc.

Liberties exist by choice, the right to pursue happiness has been granted.
 

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Leave my steak n bacon alone.
Everyone takes risks, like if you ever have flown,I could say, you're too much a risk taker while also polluting.
Meat is exactly whats made us as big as we are, and some insist it assisted our brain development.

Not getting certain things from meats aren't easily replaced etc etc.

Liberties exist by choice, the right to pursue happiness has been granted.
I feel the vegans may be get hit pretty hard from this Covid
 

NorthwoodHusker

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I feel the vegans may be get hit pretty hard from this Covid
Very possible. But IVs may sustain them, but their habits may drive them to intubation.
Not sure.
B12 is tough, D is also tough,not sure how that would leave them once infected and going forwards.
 

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Very possible. But IVs may sustain them, but their habits may drive them to intubation.
Not sure.
B12 is tough, D is also tough,not sure how that would leave them once infected and going forwards.
It is mostly about the bioavailability of key nutrients that try to get from plants and supplements. There are better and worse forms of compounds in terms of absorption. Animal foods always win because they have the compounds in the form we can readily absorb and assimilate. Those cows are miracle workers. We can't do what they do.

Eat red meat to stock up on zinc
 
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