Covid 6.0
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There you have it, don't help me, you believe in God.
I think someones told them, we are all children of God.
I think someones told them, we are all children of God.
Here's a tragedy, putting others at risk by not following guidelines
https://www.foxnews.com/us/rfk-gran...-dead-after-chesapeake-bay-mishap-family-says
I guess it's not just those flyover states where these things are going on.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/rfk-gran...-dead-after-chesapeake-bay-mishap-family-says
I guess it's not just those flyover states where these things are going on.
You do realize that 200k is only .06% of the population of the USA and that if you are sacrificing 99% of the population to save .06% of the population that you are already doomed.
The bus driver who had to sit on a crowded bus with them in Marseille for 8 hours...then drive them to the airport...and then the airline workers, and all the TSA personnel that had to process their flight to Atlanta...then the nurses, doctors, and sick people who had to treat them before they died.
On another note...was looking at mortality rates on the CDC website...always fascinating. From February 1 to April 4th America has only experience 86% of its expected mortality. The shutdown has saved a lot of lives due to accidents and other illnesses...it is going to get a lot worse and a lot of condensed death but just a weird number.
been hearing it's going to get a lot worse for [checks notes] 7 weeks now
Umm, which model of expected mortality?
The doubling every day, the doubling every other day, the doubling every third day, the 24% as seen in Italy in early march?
Or, the 4% we see today?
The whole point of the shutdown, was two things, find tools to fight against the virus, like chloroquine, until a vaccine is made, in 12-18 months, and, to lessen the impact on our medical resources to get to the number youre,now throwing up, but, if you noticed, there's two curves, one which jumps up quickly, the other, doesn't jump up, is slowed, but is prolonged, which, if you never stress those medical resources, still has the same number of deaths,only over a longer period of time.
So no, we haven't lost lives foolishly at a much higher percentage, but things haven't changed as to who's going to die from this with all given best cares.
"Italy: the real number of COVID-19 cases in the country could be 5,000,0000 (compared to the 119,827 confirmed ones) according to a study which polled people with symptoms who have not been tested, and up to 10,000,000 or even 20,0000,000 after taking into account asymptomatic cases, according to Carlo La Vecchia, a Professor of Medical Statistics and Epidemiology at the Statale di Milano University.
This number would still be insufficient to reach herd immunity, which would require 2/3 of the population (about 40,000,000 people in Italy) having contracted the virus [source].
The number of deaths could also be underestimated by 3/4 (in Italy as well as in other countries) [source], meaning that the real number of deaths in Italy could be around 60,000.
If these estimates were true, the mortality rate from COVID-19 would be much lower (around 25 times less) than the case fatality rate based solely on laboratory-confirmed cases and deaths, since it would be underestimating cases (the denominator) by a factor of about 1/100 and deaths by a factor of 1/4."
Source: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/
My question would be if COVID is asymptomatic in the vast majority of the population, why would everyone think the illness they had early in the year is COVID? It makes no sense.
Take you and your wife/girlfriend for example, I take it you are both fairly young and healthy. The complete opposite profile of those impacted by COVID. Yet you were both hit really hard by whatever you had in Jan.
Maybe the bug everyone had was one of the other 1000s of other virus that go around.
Half are asymptomatic or have such low levels of reaction that they wouldn't have known. A good amount experience mild to moderate flu like symptoms.
There is no data other than anecdotal to suggest that COVID was wide spread early in the year.
Stating that stuff is just as silly as those saying it is going to kill millions in the US.
Everyone wants to be right so it is easy to find things that meet your view.
As always the truth is somewhere in-between the extreme narratives. Confirmation bias is running rampant right now.
Brazilian Covid death occurred in January, a month before 1st reported case. Was it only early in Brazil or is it safe to say most places had Covid as early at January?
Not sure where you are getting that. I am not up to speed with Brazil and COVID, but a quick Google shows first positive there was late Feb and first death in March.
Fully admit I didn't look deep into it. And really that would show much unless it was non-travel related.
You’re right. Positive antibody tests are anecdotal.
Also, it makes perfect sense that a virus would take 5 months to get out of China, even when those months overlap with the busiest travel season of the year.
Mmhm yep, perfect sense.
Thanks for the share.
But don't necessarily see that a travel related case in late Jan in Brazil validates numerous cases in the US in the same time frame.
It could, but it is anecdotal at best.
I guess we would have to tally us travel of ones from Wuhan and see where the most travel is. If it got to Brazil early, I'm confident it got many other big nations early as well.
You didn't have the test correct? Isn't it possible that you girlfriend/wife (sorry don't recall which) was infected after you were sick early in the year?
I am not being an ***. Just trying to look objectively.
You might have both had it. You might have both had it after your illness and not known it. The symptoms overlap with a lot of viruses.
I can tell you either think I am a dumbass or calling you one. Neither are true. Just simply stating it is easy for all of us to use our individual experiences to justify our opinions. We all do it.
If you had it or not, I am glad you are healthy now.
Uh huh, but if an expert in this area, who everyone seems to agree is very good at what he does, is mislead and misinformed and makes statements like this which are later proven misguided and incorrect, it's no big deal, but if the President takes a similar approach (due to expert opinions), he reacted way too slowly and he doesn't care about people and anyone else on the planet would have done much better job.
Italy's death toll from COVID-19 is not nearly as high as they are reporting either. I have extended family stuck there and they say that if you die of anything right now and some other cause is not evident (like a gunshot wound) you are counted as a COVID-19 death. They aren't able to take care of live patients let alone test the dead. The numbers are WAY off from Italy. LIkewise, China's numbers are WAY under reported.
IF they test for the antibodies to COVID-19 they can tell. We have a poster in this thread who was ill in January and his wife and he both test positive now for the anitibodies. The test is only available at this point my wife says to medical personnel. There will soon be a rapid test kit to check for antibodies available.
They didn't start testing until late February. The Washington state cases erupted when a private lab developed their own test for CV and tested samples they had taken for an influenza study a month before. I have zero doubt that we had cases in the U.S. present over the holidays. I've said early on that it was logical that we would have had the virus on U.S. soil in early January. Now I think it was here in December.
The people who die from less than obvious other causes are actually counted as COVID-19 fatalities. IF you have a heart attack and die right now, you're a COVID-19 victim in Italy. Their death toll is actually over inflated.
Your daily reminder that 100s of 1000s die ever single year due to viruses and people have been interacting in public while ill for 100s of years.
But now there's some weird socialist responsibility to others?
Move to my state and you would still be working unless you're a bar tender or waitress.
We will sacrifice 99% of the population for the .06%
But for the other 6% (2.5 million) who die every year... Screw them.
BTW we will also ignore that a significant amount of the .06% would be included in the 6% because it doesn't fit our narrative.
Hell I voted for the character and will vote for him again if the other option is Biden but I don't like the guy.
And that was with a full lock down, quarantine, everybody wearing masks and streets and rail stations getting sprayed down with God knows what disinfectant. The answer isn't disinfectant or locking people in their homes. It's keeping your distance and following strict hygiene measures. Lying Chinese commies.
Don't put your hand on the stove or you get burned.
"But give me the data," he screams as he burns his hand.
People who went on cruises after this broke in late January were very foolish IMO. I took a couple of air flights in February and I was more than a little nervous and extremely cautious.
I think it is becoming more and more evident that the the numbers we are seeing are far from accurate. There are many many more who have or had this that never got tested. Im going to guess the death rate of this is going to be well under 1%.
If using spanish flu comparison. The spanish flu infected 28% of the us population and killed about .5. so that would mean 91 million infected and 1.6 million dead.
You are a character. You would probably be a lot more convincing without stawmen, hyperbole, and crazy analogies.
Try not taking everyone that has a different opinion as the enemy.
You keep ripping on people about numbers and data. Data and numbers are much more reliable than opinions. Of course anyone can find numbers to prop up their opinion. How about reviewing the numbers to form a conclusion?
But carry on being a weirdo. If anything else you add some great levity to this whole thing.
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