Costello or Rogers
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Got to start Costello. If we start Rogers I will officially start to believe that Leach has Alzheimer’s
Why?
Some of you guys need to erase the LSU game from your memory. Costello has looked absolutely awful outside of that game. Rogers looks better right now. We are getting our *** kicked this season anyway. Do it with a promising freshman at QB
Costello-if for no reason other than experience. No way Leach throws a true freshman to the wolves at Tuscaloosa.
Maybe you should try remembering it. That’s the kind of talent he has, as long as he isn’t throwing it to the other team. The guy was an NFL prospect for a reason.
Alabama will absolutely kill Rogers confidence. He doesn’t need that early in his career.
We need to be more worried about figuring out this zone, than plugging in a back up QB. Costello has thrown it to the other team yes, but so has Rogers. I tend to think it’s confusion with the scheme, and defenders in their face, because for whatever reason a bunch of linemen who were serviceable before, now completely suck.
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This is not the way high level think and behave. There isn't a single "would've been good player" who's career was derailed by a single game due to confidence.
Simply, if whatever happens at Bama destroys Will's confidence, then he isn't a GUY.
You play him and let him work through FR lumps and develop into this team's QB
Do you want to win any more games this year or not? A freshman with shaky confidence equals 1-9. Get him hot and we might pull on off, maybe even the Egg Bowl. Not Bama. But either way, Costello is the key to any more decent wins.
Your little veiled shame was cute. “High level”, el oh el. Maybe next time you’ll get it.
I've never met a great player that could've had a their confidence derailed by one game.
It just doesn't work that way. Competitors want to compete.
Babying a high level QB's confidence is a complete waste of time. I just vehemently disagree with your assessment
You see, I am one doing the high level thinking. You are drawing on your own experience. But yes, we disagree, that’s fine.
The bigger issue is that I also don’t think Rogers is better than Costello. The even bigger issue is why the offensive scheme is sucking worse now than ever before.
I don’t know what it is about our fanbase, but we have the most brain dead fans... How much longer will it take for you to realize, WE. CANT. FORCE. THE. DEFENSE. TO. PLAY. MAN!!! Costello had ONE good throw in that LSU game, and the rest were to wide open guys downfield... Our receivers beat LSU at the LOS every snap that game. Hell, I could’ve thrown for at least 300 in that game in that game, and I’ve never played a lick of QB... Even with that record, he still turned it over 4 times. If the last 3 games have told you the coaching and play calling is the problem, you might want to go and watch about 5 minutes of film to find out what the real problem is (it’s Costello if you haven’t already figured that out )
Costello has no mobility, he has no zip to his passes, he hangs almost every one his throws, his release is slow, he can’t make quick decisions, and most importantly he’s throwing the ball up blindly 90% of the time... Rogers checks all of the boxes Costello doesn’t have. I don’t care if Costello can throw it a mile, and Rogers can’t; Costello is not a good fit for this offense. And if it wasn’t for Mitchell allowing a DB to rip the ball out his hands in the end zone against UK, Rogers would be responsible for the only passing touchdown that wasn’t thrown to the OTHER team in that game
I don’t know if you haven’t been watching the last 2&1/2 seasons of Bama football, but they haven’t had anything better than a top 15 defense in that span of time... Bama had top 2 defenses year in and year out, every single season. At this point, I wouldn’t say they’re even better than Kentucky’s, Arkansas’, or even A&M’s defenses, honestly. That doesn’t mean a thing if we start Costello though...
And if you haven’t realized this either, at some point we have to build for the future if the guys who are “veterans” aren’t getting it done
Ok. so you're a high level thinker that can't articulate your point?
While you were arguing that Rogers confidence would be shot at Bama, what you really meant is that you don't think Rogers is better than Costello?
Maybe you're right on that, although I think Rogers is much much more proficient in this offense.
Just funny that such a high level think couldn't be honest about what they believed
It was noticeable that the OL blocked better and the team seemed to rally a little around Rogers in the A&M game.
Probably have to agree to disagree on this one. Costello has showed us one outstanding game and 3 pretty horrible games. In my opinion, Rogers has shown more composure, especially against A&M. I’m not too worried about him losing confidence.
Many people have this opinion but I didn't see it that way. Perhaps they did gain a small spark but that is often overrated and only temporary. Plus, it was later in the game, and it was all but decided at that point.
I have no problem with doing that same thing against Alabama, by the way.
Probably Costello. Should be Rogers imo. Costello makes ****** decisions even when he isn’t under duress. The damn interception in the endZone against Texas A&M was 100% on him. He was throwing it down there no matter how many defenders were down there for the Aggies. That’s a QB with his head in his *** forcing the issue and killing drives.
Bama will call off the dogs about 42-0 but we'll keep throwing INTs until they've got 60 if Costello plays.
Why do you want to do that? We will have another Freshman QB starting next year anyway.
Maybe Bama kills Rogers confidence....maybe it doesn’t. Neither is relevant, because KJ’s confidence is already dead and is not coming back in 2020 in this offense. Will is the better, more confident player within this offense right now and going forward...anyone can see it. KJ is a failed experiment at this point (largely due to no offseason opportunity) he just developed too many pro-style offense habits that are hard to unlearn, whereas Will was tailor made for the system and already has a couple of years experience with it. The fit between QB and HC/OC is paramount on any team, and there just is not much fit between KJ and Leach, unfortunately.
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If You constantly reshuffle the deck you get nowhere...if you keep repeating the same mistakes and expect a different outcome you get nowhere.
Alabama’s pass D isn’t as good as Arkansas or Kentucky’s. I know that sounds shocking, but it’s not. They’re still insanely talented, but I think they should start Rogers. If he has a good game, and he could, then that catapults him and the team into the 2nd half of the season with their guy at QB. If he plays poorly, hell he’s a true freshman on the road at #1 Alabama. No harm in that. You probably aren’t winning the game either way, so give the young guy a shot.
Alabama’s offense is explosive as hell, but that has no bearing on who State’s starting QB should be.
Alabama’s offense is explosive as hell, but that has no bearing on who State’s starting QB should be.
Costello earned the job, he's got the right to keep it at least halfway through the year. He's had an off week, throw him out there against Alabama and see what happens. If he throws picks, put in Rogers. If he's successful, prepare him to start against Vanderbilt. It's a natural progression.
I will admit though, Costello has had a good mix of games to get it going. Throw him out there against the best, let the chips fall where they may. We signed him for games like this. If it's ugly, it's a good time to go another direction. Rogers gets Vandy to see what's up, and if he does well, send him out there to try and get a win vs. Auburn. If it's just not happening, put Costello back out there against Georgia and see if he can get us the Ole Miss and Missouri wins, to hopefully salvage his short career here.
It’s not shocking, at least statistically, because Arkansas and Kentucky have both played us.
Offense doesn't like KJ anymore cause he pulled all the tail on campus after the LSU game
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I think the Costello experiment is over. He's just lost against a zone.
That said, if both are practicing hard and doing what they are supposed to be doing, I'm fine with starting Costello one more game. Costello hasn't clearly lost the position yet, and I'd rather start him with a short hook than start rogers with a short hook. Give Costello a few series, and if he looks like ****, give Rogers the rest of the game.
If we were playing Vanderbilt this week, I'd be strongly in favor of starting Will. He has earned it based on game play compared to Costello and that wouldn't be putting him in a position to fail.
That said, I am still holding out hope that a light comes on with costello. People are bashing him which based on his play is fine, I guess, but the guy came to MSU when he had tons of options and as far as I know, he's not sucking because he's not putting in the work or anything. It's just not working out for whatever reason(s).
That said, if both are practicing hard and doing what they are supposed to be doing, I'm fine with starting Costello one more game. Costello hasn't clearly lost the position yet, and I'd rather start him with a short hook than start rogers with a short hook. Give Costello a few series, and if he looks like ****, give Rogers the rest of the game.
If we were playing Vanderbilt this week, I'd be strongly in favor of starting Will. He has earned it based on game play compared to Costello and that wouldn't be putting him in a position to fail.
That said, I am still holding out hope that a light comes on with costello. People are bashing him which based on his play is fine, I guess, but the guy came to MSU when he had tons of options and as far as I know, he's not sucking because he's not putting in the work or anything. It's just not working out for whatever reason(s).
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Haha touché! But, I used those teams as examples for a reason, and that reason is I’ve watched Ole Miss play against all 3, and State has played Arkansas and Kentucky.
And Ole Miss scored damn near at will on Alabama. Although I will say, now that I’m typing this, I’m realizing that Ole Miss ran it a **** ton, too. It was very possibly a fluke game. Alabama’s defense was constantly out of position in the secondary, though, and seemed to buy every play fake we threw at them. Arkansas and Kentucky were much more disciplined and did not give up the big play. They made us sustain drives.
IF, big if, Alabama plays man up on MSU, y’all should move the ball. But, like many of you have said already, without any running threat, why would they? OM did have two 100+ yard rushers, so Alabama had to at least acknowledge that, schematically.
I will say though, with yalls defense, and Alabama coming off back to back big games against Georgia and Tennessee, maybe y’all catch them flat and make it fun. I rolled my eyes when everyone said OM sold out to beat Alabama and would be flat the next week, and boy was I wrong. But, Alabama is way too talented at every position for you to be one dimensional. Marks and Johnson will have to run it some.
