Corona Virus
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New case confirmed in Boston. Guy in his 20s. Boston colleges returned to class about 2 weeks ago and a have a large number of foreign students. If this gets going in Boston with how crowded public transportation is, look out. Meanwhile a young couple from the Phillipines who had traveled to Wuhan both became ill and the man in his early 40s has died.
Why is the US allowing anyone into the country who has been to China? I understand US citizens, but there has to come a point where the US says, "for the great good" and shuts it all down. (Now that I think about it, they may have now) Or at the very least, these people need to be put in a government run quarantine facility for 2 weeks. Not allowed to roam free spreading this around. Flights from China should have been shut down weeks ago.
He has it more than doubling every other day. I had it doubling every other day.
This is, first response will always have higher numbers as word spreads,and people go in to make sure they arent just riding out a common flu.
After that period, where were getting into now, is a more true aspect in infections, but also is dependent upon available discovery, do they have enough health care on the ground to handle current ongoing infections.
But it appears to be doubling every three days, which is still a very high infection rate, which means, instead of one million in four weeks, its one million in six weeks.
Hopefully it will weaken soon.
Its like the old story, would you rather have a million dollars, or,starting at one cent, doubling it on a chess board on every square.
Take the chess board.
Take the chess board.
im guessing this isn’t linear - one way or the other.
hopeful we have folks who can knock it out...i take dingle at his word, because the alternative is daunting.
hopeful we have folks who can knock it out...i take dingle at his word, because the alternative is daunting.
Getting accurate information out of China's government is questionable at best.
I think that the people who have come down with it here were all in before the sh## hit the fan. Now people are being quarantined. I saw one news release that said the PENTAGON is preparing a thousand bed hospital for quarantined patients. MY personal tin foil hat conspiracy theory is that this is a weaponized virus which got out of one of the biological weapons lab.
That came directly from a Chinese agency I believe. The amount of information they collect on their populace is amazing. They have facial recognition and genetic information stored on anybody who has sought medical care or been arrested in recent history. MY theory is that they know a lot about this virus and what it is capable of because it originated in one of their biological labs. JMO.
That's my thought as well. They had to have done testing on this strain to know how long the incubation stage is and when it is transmittable before 2020 to be able to determine it.
Cases started popping in Wuhan in December so they have had some time to do epidemiological investigations on the first cases. I'm still not sure how that helps them determine for sure at what point people start shedding viruses. I do know that some Corona viruses in animals can shed for a day or two before the animal is clinically ill.
The Boston case was in fact a student at one of the colleges in Boston. Another case now in Santa Clara CA in someone who had returned home from Wuhan.
Thursday evening it was at 7000, its now over 14000, which means, in less than six weeks, it'll be over a million if this doesn't change, which also means around 22000 dead at this rate.
Thing is, they have 60 million somewhat or totally quarantined at home, if there's further infection amongst those sixty million, and whatever or whoever got out, this could get ugly.
We should know in a week or two how effective the chinese are at how theyre handling it, plus they should get a handle on discovery by then.
Thing is, they have 60 million somewhat or totally quarantined at home, if there's further infection amongst those sixty million, and whatever or whoever got out, this could get ugly.
We should know in a week or two how effective the chinese are at how theyre handling it, plus they should get a handle on discovery by then.
Correction. 3 new cases now in California.
I would seriously consider avoiding public transportation in those cities who have confirmed cases and I would have some high test hand sanitizer on me at all times when out and about. It's amazing how little concern some people with viral infections have for the health of others when they go out in public. One person walking around in public even with no symptoms can infect hundreds of people and their virus can remain viable on inanimate objects such as door handles for several hours. And no, I'm not a germophobe. Winking
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The death toll from the virus has increased to 361 on Monday, with a total of 17,205 infected -- an increase of nearly 20 percent in the last 24 hours.
The first death outside of China was recorded in the Philippines on Sunday. The 44-year-old Chinese man from Wuhan was hospitalized last week with a fever, cough and sore throat, and died after developing severe pneumonia, according to the Philippines health department.
The first death outside of china, a 44 year old. In todays age, 44 is like 30 year olds back during the spanish flu age.
The discovery rate is climbing, but I believe that's because the numbers of testings are increasing as china ramps up their efforts, and it appears now to again be doubling every two days.
These numbers have shot past MERS and SARS numbers, though the fatality rate is lower, and seems to be repeating what was said earlier, though not as deadly, but has a much much higher transmissible rate.
Those other flus have not gone away, this is yet another, so, when comparing more common flu numbers, these numbers are just additional cases, which, if it doesn't change soon, will make this strain a good portion of the percentage of worldwide cases,but only added on.
The first death outside of China was recorded in the Philippines on Sunday. The 44-year-old Chinese man from Wuhan was hospitalized last week with a fever, cough and sore throat, and died after developing severe pneumonia, according to the Philippines health department.
The first death outside of china, a 44 year old. In todays age, 44 is like 30 year olds back during the spanish flu age.
The discovery rate is climbing, but I believe that's because the numbers of testings are increasing as china ramps up their efforts, and it appears now to again be doubling every two days.
These numbers have shot past MERS and SARS numbers, though the fatality rate is lower, and seems to be repeating what was said earlier, though not as deadly, but has a much much higher transmissible rate.
Those other flus have not gone away, this is yet another, so, when comparing more common flu numbers, these numbers are just additional cases, which, if it doesn't change soon, will make this strain a good portion of the percentage of worldwide cases,but only added on.
How long does it take the fast boat from China to bring goods to WalMart? Asking for a fren.
One Dr in England suggests that this won't be stopped and at the current death rate of 1% we will have 10,000 deaths per million people. Think of that one. So that gives us just under 15,000 deaths in Nebraska. Now, personally I think our health care system would lower that percentage in our country BUT if this thing starts spreading there will be schools shut down all over the place. They need to ramp up vaccine production in a hurry and try to slow this baby down with the quarantines to buy time. We'll know a bunch more in the next 2-3 weeks. The P word is already being used to describe it by some health officials.
Yea, saw that too. His numbers make sense with improved care here or England, cut the fatalities in half.
If this does become a pandemic, lets hope it doesn't get aid from kooks and politics.
Oh, and seeing that they also know it can be spread through feces, the streets of San Francisco may finally get cleaned up.
Over 20,000 now, on pace at least to double every three days, fatality rate at least over 2%.
I hope these numbers change soon.
Because of the threat, they say many are staying in their homes, and theyre finding some dead houses.
The flu here has a fatality rate of .5%, or, less than one fourth as deadly as this flu, or, put another way,this flu is almost five times as deadly.
I hope these numbers change soon.
Because of the threat, they say many are staying in their homes, and theyre finding some dead houses.
The flu here has a fatality rate of .5%, or, less than one fourth as deadly as this flu, or, put another way,this flu is almost five times as deadly.
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My wife says "not everybody will get it". I suppose cave dwellers in Idaho will probably be safe. I reminded her that I, she, our grandbaby, her mother and all of our siblings are in the "high risk of mortality population". She got very quiet. She really doesn't want to think about it until she has to. Our youngest is in school in Boston and brought home a helluva respiratory virus over Christmas that kicked most of our asses for about two weeks. FWIW, I wouldn't call this a "flu". It isn't an influenza virus and it just confuses the issue.
On one of the lookups I did on the spanish flu, they talked about people in remote areas of Alaska, keeping context of the time, people were getting it, where travel by dogsled was much the way of travel then.
Another article today states that China is admitting to over 20,000 cases now and over 425 deaths. At least in China, the 2% mortality rate is holding true. I know 425 people is not a lot of people in China and their healthcare for the masses is atrocious, but this appears to just be getting rolling. Meanwhile the Dr there who originally had the courage to sound the alarm was arrested and made to sign a confession in his hospital bed saying that he had made "false statements". Sick Why would a government want to try to cover something like that up?
I'm sure we could find her a job squeezing lemons... til the juice runs down the leg.
Thought some could use this
https://thehill.com/changing-americ...hy-are-we-panicked-about-coronavirus-and-calm
"Medical doctors and psychologists agree that humans are wired to fear the unknown more than the evils they face every day."
“They see a new virus and the organs are remote, from a part of the world most Americans have never visited. They see the chaos it has created. So people feel powerless. It’s that feeling of powerlessness that makes people afraid.”
"Influenza is an old friend, or should I say, enemy,” said Dr. William Schaffner, professor of preventive medicine health policy at Vanderbilt University. “We know it well, so it doesn’t send us in a panic.”
"Psychologist Paul Slovic of the University of Oregon said epidemics such as Ebola and the coronavirus “hit all of the hot buttons” that trigger irrational fear in people even if they’re far from ground zero of the crisis."
https://thehill.com/changing-americ...hy-are-we-panicked-about-coronavirus-and-calm
"Medical doctors and psychologists agree that humans are wired to fear the unknown more than the evils they face every day."
“They see a new virus and the organs are remote, from a part of the world most Americans have never visited. They see the chaos it has created. So people feel powerless. It’s that feeling of powerlessness that makes people afraid.”
"Influenza is an old friend, or should I say, enemy,” said Dr. William Schaffner, professor of preventive medicine health policy at Vanderbilt University. “We know it well, so it doesn’t send us in a panic.”
"Psychologist Paul Slovic of the University of Oregon said epidemics such as Ebola and the coronavirus “hit all of the hot buttons” that trigger irrational fear in people even if they’re far from ground zero of the crisis."
What he says is fairly true. The PROBLEM with his logic is that the "old friend" Infuenza has a vaccine that even when it doesn't have the exact fit with the wild virus the populace has enough natural immunity from previous infections and vaccinations to slow it down. Humans right now have virtually zero natural immunity to this Corona virus and there is no vaccine as of yet. That is why the CDC etal are scrambling to develop a vaccine. Right now, the best thing we can do is to try to contain it somewhat and slow it down until we can either develop a vaccine or develop enough natural immunity in the areas of greatest infection to let it die out on its own. Even then in animals recovered animals can be chronic carriers and continue to shed Corona virus asymptomatically for some time. While I understand his argument and agree to some degree, Influenza virus is not a good model for this Corona virus. Complacency is not probably good medicine in this case.
Not sure the mutation rate of Co-V but it is never a good idea to let a virus work its way through the human population because evolution will hone it into a more efficient spreader and killer over time until the whole population has enough immunity to make it less harmful. This virus started as only communicable from animal to human, then it mutated so it can spread easily from human to human, and the next step is for it to become more violent or less violent. One single carrier could carry a mutation that allows it to kill 10% infected but still sicken 30% of the population. You are looking at 2 billion death toll in that case. The spanish flu started as a highly virulent but not deadly strain...in kansas, then spread to France and Germany before returning to America the next year as a virus that killed instead of sickened. The mutation occurred on an American troop ship. Viruses are by far the greatest danger to human society as we know it. World War 2 killed 50 million over 6 years....some estimates say the spanish flu killed 100 million in 9 months. We'll never know because so many died in China and India.
This epidemic will wreck the already weakened chinese economy. Their entire system relies on aggressive investment to drive momentum in many sectors and keep employment high. It also started in a food market, and didn't seem communicable from human to human. The two week incubation period really screwed with the government because it wasn't until the 3rd week of January that they could confirm an outbreak. And we started shitting our pants one week after that...so they moved pretty fast. I mean to be honest, they could have still kept this under wraps...what 400 people have died in a country where 100k have already died from influenza, nobody would have noticed an extra "unknown" 400 who died from complications of flu. It took courage to be as honest as they are...I hope this isn't the last time because they are going to be feeling this politically and economically for a LONG time.Another article today states that China is admitting to over 20,000 cases now and over 425 deaths. At least in China, the 2% mortality rate is holding true. I know 425 people is not a lot of people in China and their healthcare for the masses is atrocious, but this appears to just be getting rolling. Meanwhile the Dr there who originally had the courage to sound the alarm was arrested and made to sign a confession in his hospital bed saying that he had made "false statements". Sick Why would a government want to try to cover something like that up?
It's going to be interesting to see what the transmission rates are in developed countries where it has landed. It's kind of a scary proposition when a planeload of people hit the ground and head out to their workplaces and families after riding in an enclosed tube with an infected person. Obviously there was a lot of that that happened before we were aware what was going on. The case in Boston is really scary. The key for me is awareness. Doing trace backs of anybody who might have come in contact with that infected passenger would be very very difficult I imagine. Guy coughs on a newspaper in the seat pocket of the plane or while waiting for his connector in a terminal. The next person comes along and picks the paper up while eating something. Boom. Somebody could come down with this thing who didn't have direct contact. Drs HAVE to keep this in their differential diagnosis for anybody with flu like symptoms who might have been in an airport in the previous 2-3 weeks.
A couple of websites for people to follow the Coronavirus. The first one is like a game page from ESPN, a box score with live stats. The second site seems to update a bit more frequently.
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/...o&utm_medium=zalo&utm_campaign=zalo&zarsrc=30
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/...o&utm_medium=zalo&utm_campaign=zalo&zarsrc=30
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
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