The difference between Coach Cal and becoming a great coach is what you saw in the Duke Louisville game last night. Duke was getting man handled and dominated until Coach K implemented the full/3/4 court zone. That threw everything UL was doing off badly. Probably the only thing that I can't stand about Cal is his refusal to make in game adjustments like this to disrupt the flow of the game for the other team. And save the "Well go root for duke etc" comments....I love my Cats, just like to see more from Cal on the in game adjustments to make it harder for other teams to prepare for us.
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If Cal isnt great, then I guess no active coach besides K is
and maybe Roy William's would be great
https://www.boydsbets.com/ncaa-tournament-best-coaches/
and maybe Roy William's would be great
https://www.boydsbets.com/ncaa-tournament-best-coaches/
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Cal is a great motivator. Great recruiter although he is losing a little lustre there lately. Offensively I think we could and should run more sets..Defensively we play man and we switch most everything...His stubbornness to go zone has cost us at least 2 championships and multiple other games including last night.
Don't tell me what a genius K is. Any coach in the country would start applying a press when they were 23 down in the 2nd half. Cal would have done the same thing, especially since UL has shown in previous games this year that they cannot handle pressure. So spare me the Coach K slobber.
Cal is stubborn in this sense. I really don’t think he will ever change. The only thing that could improve this is if he hires a higher level assistant coach. That still may not change things as Coach Cal probably micromanages everything.
That being said, the proof is in the pudding. He has won more games and has gone farther in the tournament then anybody else over the past several seasons. Up until last night we were waxing everybody’s @ss including top 10 teams.
In my book he has earned the right to coach however he wants.
That being said, the proof is in the pudding. He has won more games and has gone farther in the tournament then anybody else over the past several seasons. Up until last night we were waxing everybody’s @ss including top 10 teams.
In my book he has earned the right to coach however he wants.
Please tell me the last time Cal implemented a 3/4 court pressure zone to disrupt the game....I'll wait. I love Cal and dont want anyone else. I'm just saying, if he adds flexibility to his coaching, the rest of the NCAA better watch out.
Or you could make the argument that K had his team HORRIBLY prepared for that game. Why did he wait so long to press? Anybody who watched UL play FSU on Saturday could see that this team has nobody -- and I truly mean nobody -- who can handle the ball against pressure. Even more to the point, they have guys who run AWAY from the ball when the pressure picks up.
Everyone is going on about this Duke comeback. But the UL flaws were exposed in their "other" collapse Saturday against FSU. A "great" coach, as you've termed it, would have never allowed his team to get down 23 against a team that doesn't have a single ball-handler.
Cal does it one way only. Do not expect him to change.
I'm sorry but if you are arguing that Coach K isnt a great coach you are too dumb to argue with. Sorry, The dude has 5 titles since 1980. Coach K is probably the best to ever do it. I appreciate the devils advocate though. I hate the guy and hate the dukies but you can't deny he is a great coach possibly the best.
U6 has one of the worst PGs in the Nation, and is one of the worst ball handling teams I've ever seen.
Why did K wait to get down 23 before putting pressure on U6? He was forced into dong it.
Pressing LSU with Waters, that's a different animal all together.
Now maybe we could have put the zone to use, especially with PJ having 4 fouls, it took away some of his aggression.
Why did K wait to get down 23 before putting pressure on U6? He was forced into dong it.
Pressing LSU with Waters, that's a different animal all together.
Now maybe we could have put the zone to use, especially with PJ having 4 fouls, it took away some of his aggression.
First ballot Hall of Famer, so elected in his 50s. You can count those on your fingers. [eyeroll]
OK but your whole thread is arguing that Cal is NOT a great coach...which is equally "dumb."
Duke began pressing out of desperation.
I remember Cal tweaking our offense prior to the 2014 SECT. We played for a title.
I remember Cal utilizing the 2011 team’s outside shooting ability and abandoning the dribble drive for pick n pop.
The Cal can’t coach narrative is dumb as hell.
I remember Cal tweaking our offense prior to the 2014 SECT. We played for a title.
I remember Cal utilizing the 2011 team’s outside shooting ability and abandoning the dribble drive for pick n pop.
The Cal can’t coach narrative is dumb as hell.
Cal is his own man and requires no shoe companies nor espn nor any zebras to ensure his legacy
I guess you didn’t watch the Florida game when down 11 points, Cal made adjustments and UK finished the game on a 34-12 run. But that doesn’t fit the agenda does it?
Zion with 4th foul called at ~12 minutes to go. no more fouls called on the most physical specimen this side of Mars.
dook started the old "foul on every play" defense and dared the referees to call it. in the end, the referees obliged. changed a charge to a block and the collapse was complete. cards do deserve blame, but i was rooting for food poisoning anyway!
dook started the old "foul on every play" defense and dared the referees to call it. in the end, the referees obliged. changed a charge to a block and the collapse was complete. cards do deserve blame, but i was rooting for food poisoning anyway!
5 titles in 38 years. Sounds like he didn’t adjust 33 out of 38 years.
This reminds me of those who insist on saying Cal loses every big game - then you figure out the only "big games" are the ones we lost. heh. UK vs Ohio State, UNC, Michigan, Wisconsin, Wichita State? etc? Not big games!
Cal is certainly stubborn, but his formula for success usually serves him pretty well. In all fairness, I would be a little stubborn too if I had his coaching resume.
I'd like to see him berate the officials like Coach K. That appears to be more paramount to success. Give me calls like these every few games:
Millions of BBN members, and each and every one can coach basketball better than Cal.
Spot on in every way - I was going to make same post - its why Cal only has one title. That and his refusal to teach taking charges - a scoring inbounds play and crazy spur of the moment substitutions
I don't disagree and I pick at Cal a lot for game stuff but this can be tagged to just about any coach. I dont think any of them use enough pressure until they have to and I'm a big believer that nobody likes pressure put on them no matter what they say. But understand you can't do it all the time due to fatigue and fouling but I do think its a great way thing to throw in here and there especially when you have the athletes and bench like we usually do.
You also have to keep in mind that your not always going to get the results from it like you saw with the UL collapse. It's kinda like the two minute drill in football. The hurry up offense sometimes looks better than it is because the defense lays back and loses aggressivnes. Same thing in basketball, when the other guys are ahead and start laying back the pressure gets them more than it would earlier the game when they are still aggressively trying to score.
I never said K isn't a great coach; just pointing out that sometimes "great" adjustments wouldn't be needed with better preparation. You, on the other hand, started a thread that Cal isn't a great coach. What was that you were saying about "too dumb to argue with again?"
Cal is a top 10 overall coach. He’s #1 or 2 in recruiting. Top 10 in player development and managing his team and one of the best at coaching effort in his guys. He’s also probably the best guy to handle the kind of pressure a job like Kentucky puts on you. That being said, he’s bottom quarter in game strategy and in game adjustments. If he was just top half he’d have 3 titles. All this adds up to a great coach who is really the best fit of any coach out there for UK. He’s not perfect, nor is any other coach but he’s pretty damn good.
Kenny Payne played 4 years for Denny Crum...nobody had a better full court pressure defense than u6 did back then, so i would think KP could institute this with no problem and we always have the talent to do it!
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Kenny Payne is as high a level assistant coach you can find.
A guy with a name Cal-4-Three posts and proceeds to tell the board that the 14th All Time winningest coach isn't a great coach. A coach that has one losing record on his resume. A coach in the Hall of Fame.
Great share, really it is. Brilliant of K to press when down 23. As for the zone...UL couldn't get past half court at most 3/4 court.
I'd like to see him berate the officials like Coach K. That appears to be more paramount to success. Give me calls like these every few games:
You mean get away with and benefit from berating the refs? Since K isn't going to get "what happened" and coaching box techs.
The playing field isn't uneven, it is on like a 60 degree grade.
If Im going to air grievances about Coach, its the free throws. I could be totally wrong, but I seem to recall when he got here they were discussed and he basically said the onus was on the guys to put in the work on them before and after practice.
I could be totally wrong there. This year's team overall seems to be pretty good there actually. But on the whole, we havent exactly had a bunch of Travis Fords at the stripe and it had cost us games including last night. Focusing on them doesnt require any adjusting...it just requires forced practice.
I could be totally wrong there. This year's team overall seems to be pretty good there actually. But on the whole, we havent exactly had a bunch of Travis Fords at the stripe and it had cost us games including last night. Focusing on them doesnt require any adjusting...it just requires forced practice.
I love all the credit Dook gets for coming back from 23 they never should have gone down to a team they were supposed to beat. U6 came out aggressive and took the fight to Dook and their shots weren't falling. When their shots aren't going down they are very beatable. As much credit as Dook gets U6 should to for totally shitting the bed. their aggressive playing to win changed to play not to lose and they self-inflicted a lot of it. Plus Dook was able to go into mug mode with rat boy chewing the refs' ears off. Zion played with 4 fouls for eternity playing super aggressive from behind LOL.
I think it's important to recognize that Cal is very good at adjusting the system in which the team plays in a given year based on the personnel. However, he does (or does not) make several in-game decisions that are questionable. His player development and work as a defensive strategist are as good as any coach out there. I wish he'd make use of time-outs more and incorporate more offensive sets. With the athletes we've had over the last few years, I'm surprised the only team that has really stood out offensively was the Fox/Monk/Bam team.
Was that Cal coaching against Lehigh and Mercer in the tournament?
Oh, no, that was K.
Sorry, got confused because K is way too great to have lost all these games, right?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/99418712
He should have pressed or switched to zone...
Oh, no, that was K.
Sorry, got confused because K is way too great to have lost all these games, right?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/99418712
He should have pressed or switched to zone...
You are arguing that Cal isn't great and it is utter nonsense.
K is a great coach and so is Cal.
Cal never lost these games in the tourney though...ever.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/99418712