Chesney at UCLA

[KingLando]

I’ll take an ugly win over an ugly loss every time. Especially on the road, over UO, even better.

Sure...of course...but let's stop pretending this is some elite team. Oregon hasn't looked good all year if we're being honest.

 

[Grant Green]

Sure...of course...but let's stop pretending this is some elite team. Oregon hasn't looked good all year if we're being honest.

Nobody is saying UCLA is elite. Just significantly improved from last year. Speaks to really good coaching. PSU botched it not hiring Chesney.

 

[KingLando]

Nobody is saying UCLA is elite. Just significantly improved from last year. Speaks to really good coaching. PSU botched it not hiring Chesney.

Bash Kraft...have at it
It unreasonable to have any expectations for MC this year
It's also incredibly insane to be sold on Chesney after 5 games. I like Chesney bit sample size matters.
I just don't believe our base understands just how bad we were going to be this year even if James stayed. This was always the worst year for us then Kraft made it worse

 

[IANit]

Did you watch the game?
Both teams were awful

I didn't see it that way. UCLA's defense was really good. Oregon might not be the pre-season title contender they were made out to be, but they are loaded at the skill positions and had like 3 first downs in the first half, playing at home where they almost never lose. Raiola was bad, but some of that was because he wasn't comfortable. Nico getting hurt didn't help UCLA's offense. The biggest change from years past was UCLA's attitude. They believed.

 

[Grant Green]

Bash Kraft...have at it
It unreasonable to have any expectations for MC this year
It's also incredibly insane to be sold on Chesney after 5 games. I like Chesney bit sample size matters.
I just don't believe our base understands just how bad we were going to be this year even if James stayed. This was always the worst year for us then Kraft made it worse

It’s completely reasonable to expect a lot better than what we’ve seen. In the day of NIL and unlimited transfers there is no excuse to be this bad.
I’m not crowning Chesney quite yet but it is looking pretty positive.

 

[KingLando]

I didn't see it that way. UCLA's defense was really good. Oregon might not be the pre-season title contender they were made out to be, but they are loaded at the skill positions and had like 3 first downs in the first half, playing at home where they almost never lose. Raiola was bad, but some of that was because he wasn't comfortable. Nico getting hurt didn't help UCLA's offense. The biggest change from years past was UCLA's attitude. They believed.

We don't agree at all which is fine
If Oregon benches Dylan at half they win by 2 scores. He was awful and it wasn't because of the defense
Nico wasn't very good either for the record before he got hurt. I'm being kind.

 

[KingLando]

It’s completely reasonable to expect a lot better than what we’ve seen. In the day of NIL and unlimited transfers there is no excuse to be this bad.
I’m not crowning Chesney quite yet but it is looking pretty positive.

It's not when you consider when MC was hired. NIL can't save you in that situation
The board, in general, reaches decisions way too quickly.

 

[Mufasa94]

Sure...of course...but let's stop pretending this is some elite team. Oregon hasn't looked good all year if we're being honest.

Nobody used that annoying descriptive term that any PSU fan should drop from their lexicon. Chesney is maximizing his team's results, Our guy is not. Add in that our guy and his staff had a significant hand in not closing out that Wisconsin game as a win, and that is a glaring negative.

 

[Grant Green]

It's not when you consider when MC was hired. NIL can't save you in that situation
The board, in general, reaches decisions way too quickly.

Oh I totally agree with the last part. In this case however I think the board is correct.

 

[KingLando]

Nobody used that annoying descriptive term that any PSU fan should drop from their lexicon. Chesney is maximizing his team's results, Our guy is not. Add in that our guy and his staff had a significant hand in not closing out that Wisconsin game as a win, and that is a glaring negative.

The Wisconsin game is the only one that we should have won. You can be critical of results so far while still accepting year 1 is never how MC was going to be judged. In 2028, with our very difficult schedule, he has to make the playoff or he's gone. Franklin wasn't fired to win a title with someone else in 2026

 

[KingLando]

Oh I totally agree with the last part. In this case however I think the board is correct.

And time will tell but reaching a conclusion at this point doesn't make any sense
It's also interesting that the "Franklin shouldn't have been fired" segment of the base ignores how he's duplicating what he did here at Va Tech

 

[Alphalion75]

It's not when you consider when MC was hired. NIL can't save you in that situation
The board, in general, reaches decisions way too quickly.

I agree. When you have to replace 94 roster spots within days of LOI day, NIL will not solve the problem. Chesney had to replace 49 roster spots. Not as daunting a task.

 

[KingLando]

I agree. When you have to replace 94 roster spots within days of LOI day, NIL will not solve the problem. Chesney had to replace 49 roster spots. Not as daunting a task.

For sure--kudos to Cheaney--I hope UCLA has a great year--but the Big Ten is very even this year--parity rules other than Ohio State

 

[DaytonRickster]

Definitely looking like it at the moment.

He was the coach I wanted PSU to hire. Kraft slow played him and UCLA benefitted.

 

[Grant Green]

And time will tell but reaching a conclusion at this point doesn't make any sense
It's also interesting that the "Franklin shouldn't have been fired" segment of the base ignores how he's duplicating what he did here at Va Tech

We should argue about it for a few pages

 

[KingLando]

We should argue about it for a few pages

That's what the board is for

 

[Nits1989]

As it stands right now, Chesney is doing better. He was hired a few days later but coached the playoff game on December 21. Campbell was done on November 29. Chesney made better portal moves and put a team together. Whether Chesney will stay ahead is unknown. Whether it’s fair to say give Campbell time, or say he should be doing the same as Chesney and Cignetti right now, is unknown. Not every first year coach at a new school is doing the same as Chesney and Cignetti. Time will answer those questions. But fan impatience demands fast success. It’s not wrong to want it. Not getting fast success does not mean it won’t eventually happen.

 

[PSUForever]

Sure...of course...but let's stop pretending this is some elite team. Oregon hasn't looked good all year if we're being honest.

UCLA could very well he headed for the playoff assuming Nico is okay.

Wisky at home- W
MSU at home -W
Nevada at home- W
Minny on road- toss up
Illini at home - W
scUM on road - toss up
USC at home - toss up

Shaping up to be 10-2 or better. Not too shabby, elite or not.

So I am trying to be patient and optimistic with Campbell but now having my doubts about him getting us to elite status someday. Chesney was hired at the same time Campbell was and look what he has been able to do. JMU guys. We have ISU guys. Is there that much of a talent difference? I do think the top end JMU talent he brought with him is significantly better than what we brought over from ISU. But there is a coaching element to this.

I do think it is becoming apparent that Kraft totally botched it by not hiring Chesney. Movie not over but looking that way.

 

[JoePaMajorCFBrecord409Ws]

As it stands right now, Chesney is doing better. He was hired a few days later but coached the playoff game on December 21. Campbell was done on November 29. Chesney made better portal moves and put a team together. Whether Chesney will stay ahead is unknown. Whether it’s fair to say give Campbell time, or say he should be doing the same as Chesney and Cignetti right now, is unknown. Not every first year coach at a new school is doing the same as Chesney and Cignetti. Time will answer those questions. But fan impatience demands fast success. It’s not wrong to want it. Not getting fast success does not mean it won’t eventually happen.

Well, you have Will Stein at Kentucky as well (he is currently 5-1 and has Kentucky ranked #16 after Kentucky went 9-15 the last 2 years both <.500). UCLA is 5-0 and ranked #12. I love how bozo-boy tells us we can't draw season conclusions on a 5 game sample, yet out of the other side of his mouth he makes the exact same assertions about Oregon sucking...... USC sucking...... blah, blah, blah...... He makes these assertions that he says you shouldn't make and then attempts to use them as facts to support his own preferred argument???? This twit is the stupidest, most illogical moron on the board. To claim that UCLA is not a vastly improved team is moronic. To claim that PSU is not lightyears less competitive in the b1g than we have been since 2014 is moronic - and it absolutely is 100% Krafty The Cliwns fault and Kraft is paying this coach and roster MORE MONEY for the downgrade. Load-O is full of more crap than a cesspool as per usual. Oregon likely makes the Playoffs if they win out - they may not win out, but will probably go 8-4 at the worst (they are still ranked in the Coaches Poll. They are a long, long way from sucking the way PSU sucks as a result of empty-suit hack Krafty The Clown and his circus-show decision-making.).

 

[Rocco3]

I live out here in LA and while driving today I listened to a local guy who has access to USC and UCLA.

This guy said Chesney has totally energized and galvanized the program. He described him as "fiery" "smart" and a great leader.

I liked the Campbell hire and still do. I am not giving up on Campbell so let me perfectly clear about that.

Chesney clearly has more charisma than Campbell and has elevated their recruiting. Charisma also doesn't win football games.

Let's see how the next couple of years shake out with these guys at their respective programs.

Kraft! ugh.

 

[Chumboshifko1]

To hell with Chesney. He's not here, put it to bed already.

 

[Marshall2323]

To hell with Chesney. He's not here, put it to bed already.

Why isn't he here?

 

[Chumboshifko1]

Why isn't he here?

 

[KingLando]

UCLA could very well he headed for the playoff assuming Nico is okay.

Wisky at home- W
MSU at home -W
Nevada at home- W
Minny on road- toss up
Illini at home - W
scUM on road - toss up
USC at home - toss up

Shaping up to be 10-2 or better. Not too shabby, elite or not.

So I am trying to be patient and optimistic with Campbell but now having my doubts about him getting us to elite status someday. Chesney was hired at the same time Campbell was and look what he has been able to do. JMU guys. We have ISU guys. Is there that much of a talent difference? I do think the top end JMU talent he brought with him is significantly better than what we brought over from ISU. But there is a coaching element to this.

I do think it is becoming apparent that Kraft totally botched it by not hiring Chesney. Movie not over but looking that way.

Agreed--could be
Wisconsin isn't an auto win though--maybe likely. Michigan State might be able to hang as well.
Even though I'm not a huge fan, it's easier when you go somewhere that has a high profile QB when you take over. It's not JMU guys but the JMU guys were used to winning. ISU weren't.
I still blame Kraft--I give MC three years--at that point he's fired if he's not in the playoff. Is what it is but I'm not judging based on 6 games--too early given the disaster that was the process to hire him

 

[KingLando]

Also, everyone needs to remember MC wasn't anyone's first choice
Some of us are just willing to give him time before we want him gone because this situation is largely Kraft's fault. I'd fire Kraft tomorrow but that's just me.