"Chase Our Dreams"
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What the hell did you contribute to the season to have any right at all to give your ****** input?
Blugrass79 isn't far off. It seems like an entitled opinion but to be honest... just being a fan ....i.e. watching games, buying merchandise, etc...IS contributing to the program. Without the fans, the program is nothing. They don't eat and wear clothes for free. They don't go to the Bahamas for free. They aren't exposed to the world by playing in big games in big arenas on tv.......without the fans.
No we aren't owed any national titles or any particular results. I still think it would be nice for some guys who aren't even projected to be guaranteed money to show some loyalty to a program that provided more for them than most other programs, if any, could.
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No we aren't owed any national titles or any particular results. I still think it would be nice for some guys who aren't even projected to be guaranteed money to show some loyalty to a program that provided more for them than most other programs, if any, could.
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There are some interesting posts in this thread. Somehow, it is now wrong to want a more traditional team, you know, the kind that has players stick around til they're actually ready to leave. I have news for some of you. Cals way has lasted for 6 years. UK has been a power for 70 years. It is ok to dislike Cals philosophy and results. It's fine too for you guys to love Cals philosophy and results. We're all fans. Why do some of you constantly attack posters who dont share your love for this endless revolving door? Attack me if you want, but you're wrong for acting like that. If you want to start another 4 pages of this, have at it.
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Do you not understand the 80s and 90s are 20 and 30 years in the past? Great players don't stick around three or four years anymore. Twenty years ago, most guys played at least three. Those days are over and are never coming back unless the NBA changes its rule. In fact, if you're a college senior now, you're viewed as damaged goods to the pros. Most seniors go undrafted or get picked mid-late second round.
So you're basically saying you'd rather be mediocre for three years and HOPE by the time all of our 3-star recruits are seniors we MIGHT be good enough to win a title. But, at least we'd be all warm and fuzzy on senior night, right.
I'd rather gamble with the modern way that's taken us to the final weekend 4 times in 6 years, but that's just me.
Do you not understand the 80s and 90s are 20 and 30 years in the past? Great players don't stick around three or four years anymore. Twenty years ago, most guys played at least three. Those days are over and are never coming back unless the NBA changes its rule. In fact, if you're a college senior now, you're viewed as damaged goods to the pros. Most seniors go undrafted or get picked mid-late second round.
So you're basically saying you'd rather be mediocre for three years and HOPE by the time all of our 3-star recruits are seniors we MIGHT be good enough to win a title. But, at least we'd be all warm and fuzzy on senior night, right.
I'd rather gamble with the modern way that's taken us to the final weekend 4 times in 6 years, but that's just me.
Don't you understand that you can build a team of great role players with 3-4 stars each year? That yow team is far more likely to win a NC. You'll see in a couple more years of great layers, great drafts and no titles.
Yep, Tubby Smith did that and we went thru our longest FF drought.
Cal has been here six years and has four Final Fours
Ask some smuck on the street that know zilch about UK and ask them which is the better return..:
Ill be here waiting.
Lol at the "fans got nothing" guy.
We are spectators. These guys play for each other and their futures. They don't play for us. They owe us nothing.
No wonder some people think UK fans are the worst. "They didn't win it for me, wah." "They get to be rich because they have skills I don't and all I got was this lousy Final Four T-shirt, wah."
We are spectators. These guys play for each other and their futures. They don't play for us. They owe us nothing.
No wonder some people think UK fans are the worst. "They didn't win it for me, wah." "They get to be rich because they have skills I don't and all I got was this lousy Final Four T-shirt, wah."
I agree this is funny. cal in six years has almost 1/4 of our final fours in our history. And 1/8 of our titles.Originally posted by Mike-D:
go drink another one.
And this is a perfect example of why some fans don't express a differing opinion. If you post anything that can be taken as remotely critical of Cal, you're labeled as a troll.
I'm not a troll, but i agree with some of what he says. I'm also sick of the mass exodus that occurs every year. When is the last time we actually had a senior day for someone other than a walk on, John Hood?
Why is it OK for the players to be selfish and do what's best for them, but the fans and the school aren't allowed that same luxury?
And you obviously have not read this poster's garbage the last few days which includes "the players and coaches get millions and HOF but I get **** on, where's my championship?" and much more, thanks for coming in at the end of the conversation.
If you agree with that then you can side with him all you want.
Brian, I didn't say that and have never said anything like it. I have been quite clear and consistent in my posts. Disagree if you want, but be honest with the things you say about me. And don't bother wasting your time looking. The post you referred to was not mine. I certainly won't expect an apology from you though. Grown ups do that.
This post was edited on 4/10 10:29 AM by BigBlueFanGA
This post was edited on 4/10 10:29 AM by BigBlueFanGA
The OAD Era has been around for only 10 years. Why can't people understand this? Before that, players stayed 3 or 4 years because the top 10 recruits went straight to the NBA and the 10-20 recruits went after 1 or 2 years in college.
Now the top 10 recruits are going to school and that is almost exclusively who we are recruiting. These recruits were never ready to go at 18 or 19 years old, it's just that they were allowed to go 11 years ago.
You're the same type of fan that bitched and moaned when we didn't go to the final 4 for nearly 15 years and all of the elite talent went to duke, unc, Kansas and Florida.
If you want a traditional team that sticks around until they are ready, then be prepared to watch a program with an elite 8 as a ceiling. In other words, please leave the fanbase.
I'm not leaving anything. I'll speak my mind but I'll do my best not to be too rude while I do it.
As opposed to having the most talented team in the past 40 years and choking in the Final Four?
Final Four's are nice and all, but National Titles are the only thing that matters. In that regard, Cal has underachieved since being at UK.
Nope, not while you're intentionally smearing my name. How about this Mr. Cocky, I'll make a simple wager with you. I'll even, in effect, give you great odds. You show me where I posted that ridiculous statement you quoted to Meteordealer and I'll never post here again. If you can't, you simply need to apologize and stop claiming I said things I never said. Since I've been posting under the same screen name for more than a decade, those are pretty good odds in your favor. Man enough to take the bet?
I wouldn't trade our run with Cal for anything, but considering the sheer amount of talent he's brought in, i feel we should have 3 titles in the past 6 years instead of just the 1.
I think the John Wall team should have won a Title, and this year's team should have won it easily had they not choked in the final 3 or 4 minutes of the game.
I don't necessarily disagree with that take. And I think Cal could have done better in 2010 and 2015, I personally put those on him. But regular seasons and final fours count for something, saying the guy underachieved because he lost two games is kind of overboard. But I get your point.
Thank you. You may strongly disagree with how I view things, but you won't find me disrespecting our coach or players.
these arguments are so ignorant...
Cal is the reason we are getting this talent. So now he's to blame because he is recruiting too much talent to be able to fail?
Listen, I don't agree with 100% of the things Cal has done while here. I didn't agree with the stall ball technique employed in 2012 (sstill won the game) or Saturday night (llost us the game). But I'm convinced 90% of our message board fans are either t-shirt fans or 9 years old. What every fan wants is to be in the run for a title every year. We've had three stretches in our history where that has been a reality: 1948-1952, 1992-1998 and 2010-2015. in 2009 nearly half of my life had been spent not even being in the discussion of a championship. Forgive me if I prefer the disappointment of being upset in the final four after being the #1 story for 380 days Over the disappointment of never making it there.
We lost a game we probably should have won. But were we head and shoulders better than wisconsin? hell no. They're 36-2 coming into that game if Kaminsky doesn't miss the Rutgers game and we're 37-1 if ole miss doesn't completely crap the bed with the ball at mid court and a 1 point lead with 30 seconds left.
We didn't go to the final four when we probably should have in 2010, we didn't win the title when we maybe should have this year. We also went to the final four when we had no business there in 2011 and 2014.
Pull your diaper up and accept that.
I can't believe someone has to say this, but the best team doesn't always win the title. In fact, it happens much more frequently that the best regular season team doesn't win the title. This year was top-heavy with about 7-8 teams capable of winning the championship, and for the most part those teams made the elite 8. You have to have so many things go your way in order to win the championship. The team with the most talent doesn't give you an automatic championship.
Also, I find it comical that you think this team should have won the title easily. I can't even put into words how stupid that sounds.
I think it is very poignant that Duke isn't hosting any press conference for Okafor to say "I'm going pro, I'm achieving my dream"...
draft night for K is just a little extra icing on the cake...
it is what it is...
K wins doing things his way...Cal wins doing things his way...
if we had K we'd love his way and wouldn't agree with Cal...if Cal was at IU doing this, we'd be screaming bloody murder...
we are winning at a pretty good clip, so we are all in...cal sold it to us, any dissention amongst the ranks is not acceptable...
It's part of his brilliance...if he held a press conference tomorrow and announced that "turds taste good..." we'd all be **** eaters...
Final four runs are great...no complaints...kids going on to get paid and play pro ball is also great, no quarrels with that...but after every year I can't help but wonder that if the kids from last season had come back we'd be hanging titles at a pretty good clip...Wall comes back, title...AD comes back another title...Julius comes back title...KAT and Lyles come back, title...
my one hesitation is Cal and the kids becoming so consumed with the NBA and getting as many players as possible as soon as possible to the league because that is the only way to win and keep his job.
As well as the kids feeling like they have to go pro because if they don't their stock will drop, they may get recruited over, maybe they let coach down because he's told them he'll get them drafted...
if a kid wants to go pro and feels he is ready, great...but if a kid wants to come back, but doesn't for a multitude of wrong reasons, then we've all failed him...
draft night for K is just a little extra icing on the cake...
it is what it is...
K wins doing things his way...Cal wins doing things his way...
if we had K we'd love his way and wouldn't agree with Cal...if Cal was at IU doing this, we'd be screaming bloody murder...
we are winning at a pretty good clip, so we are all in...cal sold it to us, any dissention amongst the ranks is not acceptable...
It's part of his brilliance...if he held a press conference tomorrow and announced that "turds taste good..." we'd all be **** eaters...
Final four runs are great...no complaints...kids going on to get paid and play pro ball is also great, no quarrels with that...but after every year I can't help but wonder that if the kids from last season had come back we'd be hanging titles at a pretty good clip...Wall comes back, title...AD comes back another title...Julius comes back title...KAT and Lyles come back, title...
my one hesitation is Cal and the kids becoming so consumed with the NBA and getting as many players as possible as soon as possible to the league because that is the only way to win and keep his job.
As well as the kids feeling like they have to go pro because if they don't their stock will drop, they may get recruited over, maybe they let coach down because he's told them he'll get them drafted...
if a kid wants to go pro and feels he is ready, great...but if a kid wants to come back, but doesn't for a multitude of wrong reasons, then we've all failed him...