Charlotte erupts overnight

DvlDog4WVU

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Another senseless shooting of an armed individual resisting arrest.

I will agree with Kapernick on one thing. There definitely needs to be some community outreach. I'm willing to bet the situations get seriously escalated due to a failure to respect the badge in a lot of these instances. Just a shame.
 

Mdeer

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Another senseless shooting of an armed individual resisting arrest.

I will agree with Kapernick on one thing. There definitely needs to be some community outreach. I'm willing to bet the situations get seriously escalated due to a failure to respect the badge in a lot of these instances. Just a shame.
Did you know the cop who fired the shot was African American ?
 

TarHeelEer

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Another senseless shooting of an armed individual resisting arrest.

I will agree with Kapernick on one thing. There definitely needs to be some community outreach. I'm willing to bet the situations get seriously escalated due to a failure to respect the badge in a lot of these instances. Just a shame.

Our team is supposed to play this weekend on the other side of Charlotte. My team is predominantly black. The team we're playing is predominantly black. The area is predominantly black. Not sure I want to do this.
 

Mdeer

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Our team is supposed to play this weekend on the other side of Charlotte. My team is predominantly black. The team we're playing is predominantly black. The area is predominantly black. Not sure I want to do this.
What part of Charlotte
 

rog1187

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Another senseless shooting of an armed individual resisting arrest.

I will agree with Kapernick on one thing. There definitely needs to be some community outreach. I'm willing to bet the situations get seriously escalated due to a failure to respect the badge in a lot of these instances. Just a shame.
The shooting in Tulsa is troubling...from the video I saw I can't see where the guy was a threat. But they'll tie the Tulsa shooting to all the other shootings where the evidence points to the shooting victim was a threat and say "see the Police are targeting innocent people".
 

rog1187

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Apparently not . That fact was buried in the story in the paper here so I doubt it's widely known
They don't care about facts...and that fact has been proven time and time again.
 

TarHeelEer

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Another senseless shooting of an armed individual resisting arrest.

I have learned one thing. This subculture will accept word of mouth as much or more than they will the press. Half the time I can't say I blame them. Social media said he wasn't armed, and they stuck with that the whole night. Cops saying he was armed didn't mean a thing to them.

This happened in a personal situation as well. They accepted he said/she said over league authorities. Appears to me as a distrust of all authority.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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The shooting in Tulsa is troubling...from the video I saw I can't see where the guy was a threat. But they'll tie the Tulsa shooting to all the other shootings where the evidence points to the shooting victim was a threat and say "see the Police are targeting innocent people".
The Tulsa one looks troubling on the surface.
 

Airport

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Our team is supposed to play this weekend on the other side of Charlotte. My team is predominantly black. The team we're playing is predominantly black. The area is predominantly black. Not sure I want to do this.

Move the game to a white area where you will feel safer. Yes, I'm a racist now for saying that.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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I have learned one thing. This subculture will accept word of mouth as much or more than they will the press. Half the time I can't say I blame them. Social media said he wasn't armed, and they stuck with that the whole night. Cops saying he was armed didn't mean a thing to them.

This happened in a personal situation as well. They accepted he said/she said over league authorities. Appears to me as a distrust of all authority.
Yes I agree. The going narrative was that he wasn't armed and carrying a book. The realty is that he was armed and the gun he was holding was recovered at the scene.

The whole point of my post was centered around exactly what you said, a complete distrust and lack of respect for authority.
 

Airport

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The shooting in Tulsa is troubling...from the video I saw I can't see where the guy was a threat. But they'll tie the Tulsa shooting to all the other shootings where the evidence points to the shooting victim was a threat and say "see the Police are targeting innocent people".

Police know they are being targeted. Makes them nervous. It's better for the cop to stand trial for killing a suspect than the suspect to stand trial for killing said cop.
 

WhiteTailEER

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Yes I agree. The going narrative was that he wasn't armed and carrying a book. The realty is that he was armed and the gun he was holding was recovered at the scene.

The whole point of my post was centered around exactly what you said, a complete distrust and lack of respect for authority.

I think there are reasons for that though. Not the "complete" part, but definitely the rest of it.

There are a number of cases of police doing the wrong thing and then making up charges or planting evidence. There are also a great number of cases of justified shootings.


The guy in SC running because he owed child support. The cops shot him and killed him then tried to say he had a gun.

There was a case in WV where a cop pulled a gun on some lady's dog, she jumped between him and the dog and then got arrested for assaulting the officer or something. Whatever it was, there was video and she didn't do anything the cops said she did.

There was one recently where a guy was holding up a sign warning of a DUI checkpoint or speed trap or something. So the cops came up, knocked a camera out of his hands, took it from him ... but it was still running and recording and they recorded themselves talking about what they could come up with to charge him with even though he had violated no crimes.


Yes, there are also cases in which there is a national outcry and then we have to say "whoops" we didn't have all the facts, the cops were actually OK. And of course the incidents where cops are being killed just because they are cops, but some cop did something bad someplace else.


There needs to be a serious national discussion about all of this. We need to stop jumping in our foxholes and picking sides and really looking at this. There are a number of incidents perpetrated by police that simply should have never happened, we can't deflect and say "look at Michael Brown" and pretend that every incident is going to play out that way.

There is definitely a problem and it's making everything more dangerous for every single one of us.
 

WhiteTailEER

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Because blacks say it's whites who are doing the shootings.

Not really ... they are talking about a system that disproportionately kills them unarmed and incarcerates them. It doesn't matter the race of the cops doing it.
 

bornaneer

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Meanwhile in Chicago the slaughter goes on. Where is Kaepernick ?
September to Date
Shot & Killed: 37

Shot & Wounded: 195
Total Shot: 232
Total Homicides: 40

Year to Date
Shot & Killed: 483
Shot & Wounded: 2648
Total Shot: 3131
Total Homicides: 539

 

WhiteTailEER

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Meanwhile in Chicago the slaughter goes on. Where is Kaepernick ?
September to Date
Shot & Killed: 37
Shot & Wounded: 195
Total Shot: 232
Total Homicides: 40

Year to Date
Shot & Killed: 483
Shot & Wounded: 2648
Total Shot: 3131
Total Homicides: 539

How many of those homicides were from government representatives sworn to protect and serve?

I'm not saying that Chicago isn't a real problem, it is. But it's a different one.
 

TarHeelEer

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There needs to be a serious national discussion about all of this. We need to stop jumping in our foxholes and picking sides and really looking at this. There are a number of incidents perpetrated by police that simply should have never happened, we can't deflect and say "look at Michael Brown" and pretend that every incident is going to play out that way.

There is definitely a problem and it's making everything more dangerous for every single one of us.

Amen.

My main point was that it isn't limited to just a distrust of police or politicians, but it's any and all authority. This is an epidemic that needs a national discussion, but you can't solve this at a macro level. It's going to take each and every one of us building trust back between each other.
 

rog1187

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Not really ... they are talking about a system that disproportionately kills them unarmed and incarcerates them. It doesn't matter the race of the cops doing it.
How many of the recent shootings have happened where a man was shot unarmed versus armed (or was a threat to the police)? You can't lump the Charlotte shooting in with the Tulsa shooting - one was armed and one was not.

If people are committing a crime should they not be incarcerated if that is the designated punishment?
 

bornaneer

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How many of those homicides were from government representatives sworn to protect and serve?

I'm not saying that Chicago isn't a real problem, it is. But it's a different one.
You seem to forget that cops are no different from the rest of us and I would say that their jobs are a lot more stressful than the ones most of us have or had. Have you ever been targeted for assassination in your job? Its a terrible problem we have but ******** like Kaepernick are NOT helping solve anything. They are making it worse.
 

TarHeelEer

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If people are committing a crime should they not be incarcerated if that is the designated punishment?

That's not what blacks are seeing. They're seeing Tulsa, a black unarmed guy gets gunned down. They're seeing Charlotte, a disabled (unarmed in their opinion) black guy gets gunned down, both situations first action was shoot to kill. Then they see a "white" terrorist get shot in the arms/legs to keep him alive. They see Dylann Roof get taken away in handcuffs without being shot. They see 5 and 6 year old black boys walking down the street get stopped by the cops and their names taken.

They want a fair system, and we do not have one right now.
 

WhiteTailEER

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How many of the recent shootings have happened where a man was shot unarmed versus armed (or was a threat to the police)? You can't lump the Charlotte shooting in with the Tulsa shooting - one was armed and one was not.

If people are committing a crime should they not be incarcerated if that is the designated punishment?

I wasn't. What was your motivation for doing so?
 

rog1187

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I wasn't. What was your motivation for doing so?
Because that is exactly what the news shows were doing this morning...mentioning both in the same breath...linking them together when they are not similar situations...even going so far as to go back and link them with other incidents where is was shown that the person shot was either had a gun or was a threat to the police or both.
 

WhiteTailEER

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You seem to forget that cops are no different from the rest of us and I would say that their jobs are a lot more stressful than the ones most of us have or had. Have you ever been targeted for assassination in your job? Its a terrible problem we have but ******** like Kaepernick are NOT helping solve anything. They are making it worse.

Have you ever been targeted for assassination because of your skin color?

You actually make a really good point. No, I don't live that life, so I don't know what it's like and what they've experienced. I don't live that everyday.

Now, I will take that one step further and also admit that I don't know what it's like to live on the other side of it. I'm not black, I've never been black and I'll never be black. So how can I criticize them over their reactions to their life experiences?

Why can't we just listen to both sides without discounting one out of hand
 

bornaneer

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Where are you? Are you volunteering your time to help? If not get off your high horse.
You need to stick with "crushing " your league. Thats way more important than people getting killed. I also have probably volunteered more time than you ever have.....and BTW way.... I NEVER considered NOT playing games in a predominately African American area.......never crossed my mind.
 

Mdeer

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That's not what blacks are seeing. They're seeing Tulsa, a black unarmed guy gets gunned down. They're seeing Charlotte, a disabled (unarmed in their opinion) black guy gets gunned down, both situations first action was shoot to kill. Then they see a "white" terrorist get shot in the arms/legs to keep him alive. They see Dylann Roof get taken away in handcuffs without being shot. They see 5 and 6 year old black boys walking down the street get stopped by the cops and their names taken.

They want a fair system, and we do not have one right now.
The Charlotte guy had a gun and not a book . This is what the African American police chief just said .
 

rog1187

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That's not what blacks are seeing. They're seeing Tulsa, a black unarmed guy gets gunned down. They're seeing Charlotte, a disabled (unarmed in their opinion) black guy gets gunned down, both situations first action was shoot to kill. Then they see a "white" terrorist get shot in the arms/legs to keep him alive. They see Dylann Roof get taken away in handcuffs without being shot. They see 5 and 6 year old black boys walking down the street get stopped by the cops and their names taken.

They want a fair system, and we do not have one right now.
Did they see a cop got shot by the terrorist? Did they see that the terrorist got shot also in the shoulder and not just in the leg? This all happened because the terrorist was able to get a drop on the cops.

Did Roof get out of his car with a gun in his hand when they apprehended him? Did he make any threatening moves towards the police when they stopped him?
 

TarHeelEer

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Did Roof get out of his car with a gun in his hand when they apprehended him? Did he make any threatening moves towards the police when they stopped him?

I'm telling you what they see. I'm with my team as much if not more than my family. This is what they say. If we don't address it in a way that makes sense to them, it will only continue to get worse and worse.
 

TarHeelEer

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I NEVER considered NOT playing games in a predominately African American area.......never crossed my mind.

This is the first time I have. Only because of the relative closeness to the riots. It wouldn't even come across my mind if played here.
 
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Exactly my point......Ask Kaepernick and ESPN the same question.

Kaepernick's point is, we have a problem. That problem is when police officers gun down a black man when he is unarmed, running away from the officer and is not a threat (North Charleston SC) or unarmed walking away from the officers with his hands up (Tulsa, OK), both incidents on clear video tape.