Celtics with #1 pick
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Don't see Embiid having a sustainable NBA career. Dude had 20 minute restriction and did not play back to back. Still couldn't finish the season.
They should def trade that pick. Get a big guy to go with Horford.
Thomas awesome scorer, everything else? Not so awesome. Kinda gots you by the balls, you cant slide him over to the 2 guard and you cant expect that he is going to get a lot of shots for others. This team fits his needs but if they get more ball hungry players then there might be some trouble.
The thought is 76ers are going to go hard after Kyle Lowry when he becomes a free agent, then move Simmons to SF. If that's true, very good chance it's Monk they draft 3rd instead of Fox or one of the available SFs.
Celtics will have a lot of assets. I think they should take Fultz, best shooter of him, Fox and Lonzo. Shooting is such a premium right now in the NBA. Then they can trade Bradley or smart, etc. Or they can trade down and get Jackson.
They need a big scoring wing. Jackson's shooting only got better and has tools to be an excellent defender. I do question his maturity and character.
Tatum is attractive due to his shooting but not athletic enough to be drafted top 3 in my mind.
They need a big scoring wing. Jackson's shooting only got better and has tools to be an excellent defender. I do question his maturity and character.
Tatum is attractive due to his shooting but not athletic enough to be drafted top 3 in my mind.
They are going to try but I don't think they will get Lowry. They do have Jerryd Bayless coming back next year too. They really love Fox though. They need both point and shooting guards and a power forward if they don't bring back Alex Poythress. I think they have Fox rated a little higher than Monk.
i think they will keep the pick and take Fultz. I don't think Ainge is sold on Isaiah Thomas being the long term PG to win them a championship. This is the first #1 pick for the Celtics in the lottery era so I don't see Ainge trading it. They will make some other moves like going after Gordon Heyward and getting a legit center.
However, if they get murdered by the Cavs while being outrebounded 40-25 in every game, they might just rethink things. Another point guard isn't going to get them over that hump.
They will take jackson if they are smart....he will make them even better on d instantly, give the another scorer off the wing, and finally they will have an elite athlete/rebounder.
Celtics should make lakers think they want ball or even dangle number one to the sixers. Trade down pick up a few pieces and get Jackson.
My guess...
#1. Celtics take Fultz and shocks the cosmos by keeping him. Why trade him when you still can't beat the Cavs/Warriors anyway?
#2. Lakers take Ball.
#3. Philly takes Jackson.
#4. Phoenix takes Tatum.
#5. Sac takes Dennis Smith or Fox.
#1. Celtics take Fultz and shocks the cosmos by keeping him. Why trade him when you still can't beat the Cavs/Warriors anyway?
#2. Lakers take Ball.
#3. Philly takes Jackson.
#4. Phoenix takes Tatum.
#5. Sac takes Dennis Smith or Fox.
Celtics should trade down a couple spots and still get the guy they should draft at 1 - Jackson.
Phoenix should take Jackson or Tatum if they are available. I am not really sold on Tatum but all the "experts" say he is the real deal. I still think he is a ballhog and a team cancer but that is just my outside observation.
1 - Celtics
Take Fultz and keep him. Thomas gets traded or allowed to walk as a FA in the future. He can't run a team that can win the title, Fultz is the PG of the future in green. Also could trade down and get Jackson (best immediate need) and a lot more.
2 - Lakers
Draft Ball who is a flop for a #2 pick and they continue in a decade of disaster. His pull up isn't quick enough and that low realease will be a major liability in the NBA. He hasn't shown he can handle big games or pressure at all. Hometown boy blows up in their face. Dad is punched by teammate within two years
3 - Sixers
Fox goes here and is ROY with outstanding A/TO and Def numbers. With Simmons he starts a good nucleus for the future (Embiid is Sam Bowie/Greg Oden version 3.0 unfortunately). Another high lottery pick in a loaded draft class next year will get the the "big three" they want.
4 - Suns
Josh Jackson gets them more firepower. Really need a big, but none worthy of taking here. If they are smart they could snag a young PF and more for this pick. They won't though
5 - Kings
Dennis Smith. They need a PG and he is the best left. Will be a good addition and decent pro.
6 - Magic
Tatum - Godd size and ability for a NBA SF. Not sure it's a need, but they take best available.
7 - Timberwolves
Monk - Volume scorer and great shooter who will get over the streakiness in a few years and be lights out. This is the last sub 10 draft pick for the wolves for a long time.
everyone that mentions the 76'ers always leaves Saric out of their comments..guy can play. if Embiid doesn't win ROTY it will go to Saric. As a fan, i'm torn between Jackson and Fox. Really like their games. IMO, the Sixers cant lose with either of them or if Fultz falls into their laps.
Yeah, I don't want Tatum on the same team as Booker, not really sure that would work. Jackson would be the better option.
IT4 is a fan-favorite and their leader.. no reason to think he can't get them to a title, at least not yet.
Trade down, let someone get the PG Of The Future for another future pick (or asset), draft Jackson, who I'm not sure shouldn't be the #1 pick anyways. You could move him around between the 3 and 4.. maybe even the 2. He can rebound, hit 3's, defend well and is a physical specimen.. that's where the NBA is going.
Celtics would be silly.
Trade down, let someone get the PG Of The Future for another future pick (or asset), draft Jackson, who I'm not sure shouldn't be the #1 pick anyways. You could move him around between the 3 and 4.. maybe even the 2. He can rebound, hit 3's, defend well and is a physical specimen.. that's where the NBA is going.
Celtics would be silly.
I stole this from another board but it explains it better than I can.
"If Boston signs a max FA this offseason, they will have to choose between keeping Bradley ($8.8m salary with 1 year remaining) and resigning Olynyk ($7.5m cap hold).
Boston will probably draft a guard with the BRK pick, so while Bradley is great, they will have a very crowded backcourt with Smart and Brown looking ready for big roles. Olynyk has become a very important front court player, and they can almost definitely get a good draft asset from a team with cap space for Bradley. This is a no-brainer if Hayward is the max FA, and still a definite possibility even if it is Griffin.
What is the best draft package a team would give up? Bradley has one year remaining at a low cost, and then would need to be resigned. If a team acquired him, they would get his bird rights, so they could go over the cap to resign him rather than needing cap space.
Some teams that might sense include PHI, MIL, IND, MIN, ATL, SAS, NYK, DAL"
Easily, Butler.
Each NBA team (in theory) has the same resources and ability to become good. The storied Celtics if anything, should have a higher probability. Their rise wasn't a matter of "if", it was a matter of "when". What he did at Butler isn't unheard of, but it is rare.
Each NBA team (in theory) has the same resources and ability to become good. The storied Celtics if anything, should have a higher probability. Their rise wasn't a matter of "if", it was a matter of "when". What he did at Butler isn't unheard of, but it is rare.
Wow.. Olynyk AND Hayward.. Those racists in Boston will be doing back flips. Good for them, I'm not sure that city could take another African American on their teams..
Seeing how Ainge operates (the ox is slow but the earth is patient), I think he trades the pick to build even more equity.
If I'm Boston I dangle the pick out there. Let the Lakers get nervous enough that someone will trade up to get Ball. Then offer the 1 to them for Randle or Russell and the 2nd pick. If they bite you can then take Jackson or Tatum at 2 like you need to anyway.
I think what Boston should do is wait for where they are with Cleveland.
Are they 0-4 against Cleveland or
2-4?
Or
3-4?
That should give them direction. Remember they have nets pick again next year. They can make trade for star that fits their mold with a trade.
Are they 0-4 against Cleveland or
2-4?
Or
3-4?
That should give them direction. Remember they have nets pick again next year. They can make trade for star that fits their mold with a trade.
Exactly. Similar to the NFL draft. Why not put feelers out there? Who knows which of the other 29 teams would throw in their pick PLUS another 1st, 2nd or asset? I'd shop that 1st pick, they are set with PG.
I don't think you can go wrong with Fultz, Ball or Jackson. I do think Fox might be one level back.. but idk.. Maybe replace Ball with Fox?
Horford worries me. That dude seriously under-performed on my fantasy team, which is arguably the most important metric there is. Plus he's had injury problems the last few years. Wondering if he has peaked. You're going to need a little bit more beef if you're the Celtics.. beating the guard-centric Wizards.. barely, for that matter.. doesn't change that.
Draft Jackson, start thinking about Power Forward/Center.. Do it right, and Celtics will contend for the next decade.
Draft Jackson, start thinking about Power Forward/Center.. Do it right, and Celtics will contend for the next decade.
I'm not sold on Tatum, and not quite there on Jackson.
Jackson can't play the 2, and he'll need to shoot well to play the 3. His shooting has always been a concern for scouts, and he shot 90 total 3 pointers in college at a 37.8% clip. For small sample sizes like that, FT% tends to be a good predictor. He shot 56.6%, which is abysmal. To illustrate the issue, Justice Winslow, certified brick layer (and all around good player otherwise, ala Jackson) shot 41.8% on 110 3s, and 64.1% on FTs. If his shooting comes around he can be a Paul George type star, but I'm not that convinced.
Certainly not over Fultz for the Celtics; their young building blocks are non-shooters (Brown, Smart, Rozier, the corpse of James Young's NBA career). Maybe if they keep Bradley, but he's about to get paid and they have future #1s to allow them to compete w/out paying too much tax.
FTs can always be a freshman problem though. He's shooting three 3's a game at 38%.. I have to imagine that's a better indicator of his shooting than FTs.
I'd take Jackson over Fultz, IF you can parlay that trade-back into a 2018 draft pick of some sorts. Jackson may never be a great shooter, but I think he can be serviceable. Being bigger and taller than Winslow will keep him closer to the basket. Also, Winslow sophomore campaign was shot to **** with injury. Got to imagine his shooting would have improved, but can't be sure either.
I'd take Jackson over Fultz, IF you can parlay that trade-back into a 2018 draft pick of some sorts. Jackson may never be a great shooter, but I think he can be serviceable. Being bigger and taller than Winslow will keep him closer to the basket. Also, Winslow sophomore campaign was shot to **** with injury. Got to imagine his shooting would have improved, but can't be sure either.
Drafting Jackson when they already have Brown is redundant though, Brown showed some good promise in limited minutes this year. I think they take Fultz because they can't afford to pay Bradley and IT after next year, not to mention guys like KO and Smart coming up as well. They can clear room to make a run at Hayward which would not cost them any assets or attempt to package some assets for Griffin/PG/Butler. I think they take Fultz who is BPA and figure out the rest as the offseason unravels. I think that they'd use next year's BK pick in any package for a star, along with Bradley and Crowder who are both grossly underpaid.
There's research that says it's not, though. Pelton cited to it a while back (and others), and I found a link with a quick search that discusses projecting 3 point shooting (and how difficult it is). http://counting-the-baskets.typepad...rd-especially-about-three-point-shooting.html. It has to do with small sample sizes.
Winslow could improve drastically and still be subpar. Injury or not, if you projected based on 110 college 3s (42%!), you'd think he'd be a sharpshooter. Projections don't work like that.
Edit: another article talking about it http://basketballsocietyonline.com/free-throw-shooting-as-indicator-this-years-draft-trend. Note that of the examples he uses to counteract the idea, AD and Brook Lopez have developed as 3 point threats. And DeMarre Carroll shoots like crap now. So this article makes an even stronger case than appears on the surface.
Final Edit: the DraftExpress scouting report notes his inconsistent mechanics: "He doesn't shoot the ball the same way attempt-to-attempt, bringing the ball up from his hip, with his elbow flailing out and releasing it from the outside of his hand without much of a wrist snap, sometimes shooting it on the way down. Jackson made just 57% of his free throw attempts this season, and is a career 56% from the line on over 230 attempts in our database, which when combined with his mechanics, leaves a lot of question marks about just how good of a shooter he can become long term. - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Josh-Jackson-7239/ ©DraftExpress"
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