AIDS kills by enabling diseases that normally wouldn't kill you to do so. That is exactly what COVID does. It just does so much faster.
CDC coming clean on COVID scam.
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If river water was the only water I had then yes. You can't hold your breath when you have to be inside in a public space.
You do know that means their heart stopped beating right? Now why did it stop beating?
Clay Travis is off the rails conservative today. The front page of Outkick right now has stories on:
"LeBron James Is a Bigot"
"Alarming New Details About James Blake Story"
"BLM 101 - Bigotry & Hate"
"Mark Cuban - Angry Over NBA Ratings vs. Tucker Carlson"
He use to give betting advice for god's sake. What Clay Travis realized was that there is a MASSIVE market for this Far-Right news, and he redirected his entire career towards it. There's no difference between the headlines on Outkick and Breitbart today.
"LeBron James Is a Bigot"
"Alarming New Details About James Blake Story"
"BLM 101 - Bigotry & Hate"
"Mark Cuban - Angry Over NBA Ratings vs. Tucker Carlson"
He use to give betting advice for god's sake. What Clay Travis realized was that there is a MASSIVE market for this Far-Right news, and he redirected his entire career towards it. There's no difference between the headlines on Outkick and Breitbart today.
It would help some and it would do no harm. You saying that if all you had to drink was river water and you had the option of filtering it through at least some type of filter you wouldn't do it. Interesting. Even cloth would filter out larger particles of crap that are teaming with bacteria. That is exactly what masks do and we are learning that initial dose matters, a lot.
No, I am going to use queen because Drebin is king. It has nothing to do with misogyny and everything to do you being second to Drebin.
"A mask blocks ****" doesn't mean it slows the spread. It doesn't mean it protects anyone. Most of the "****" still goes out because the virus is microscopic and a cloth mask is about as effective at stopping an aerosol spray as it is of stopping poured water.
If masks were effective, we would have seen case numbers drop immediately when mask mandates hit, and we wouldn't see resurgent spikes in places where everyone is wearing one. The latter is currently happening, and the former never happened, and there's really nothing else you can say to change those facts.
Nothing in this thread I've stated is hypothetical. You can add this to the large mountain of terrible takes you've contributed to SPS over the years.
You do NOT shut down an economy over an epidemic
It was understandable what was done the last half of March. Nobody knew how bad the COVID-19 really was, if it was fatal to children and young people. We were afraid that the ICU's and emergency rooms would be overrun.
As of April 1, we knew who it affected the worst- the elderly and those with prior medical conditions. The median age of death of COVID-19 in the US is 80, the average number of co-morbidities is 2.6. The hospitals weren't overcrowded- as a matter of fact, doctors and nurses were being laid off.
The US should've done what Sweden did. Keep an eye on the elderly and less healthy, isolate those with the coronovirus, and treat them with what the doctors say is best for them.
On a personal level, I only know of one person who might possibly died of COVID-19- a morbidly obese 38 year old woman with suicidal issues. I DO know of two people who committed suicide during this time, mainly due to the stress of life in isolation.
It was understandable what was done the last half of March. Nobody knew how bad the COVID-19 really was, if it was fatal to children and young people. We were afraid that the ICU's and emergency rooms would be overrun.
As of April 1, we knew who it affected the worst- the elderly and those with prior medical conditions. The median age of death of COVID-19 in the US is 80, the average number of co-morbidities is 2.6. The hospitals weren't overcrowded- as a matter of fact, doctors and nurses were being laid off.
The US should've done what Sweden did. Keep an eye on the elderly and less healthy, isolate those with the coronovirus, and treat them with what the doctors say is best for them.
On a personal level, I only know of one person who might possibly died of COVID-19- a morbidly obese 38 year old woman with suicidal issues. I DO know of two people who committed suicide during this time, mainly due to the stress of life in isolation.
Science
https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/4...s-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent
But I'm sure the science secretly believes something else that only you can hear.
I have some misgivings about this mask issue but I have absolutely no problem with the social distancing. Before this I spent most of my time in stores and restaurants either feeling claustrophobic because of the crowd of people in my space or almost tripping over kids running under my feet while their parents drank or played Pokémon Go. I have to use a cane to get around as a result of many surgeries and it is so much easier watching folks stay in their safe distance and lasso their ankle biters
/getoffmylawn
They plausibly reduce the viral load, and therefore reduce the severity of infection. For some number of potential infections, the reduction in viral load would be the difference between registering an infection at all versus not. But for others, it is potentially like people that used to try to get limited exposure to the small pox. They still get it, but with mild symptoms that thereafter give them some level of immunity.
More speculatively, it's I guess also possible masks might be more effective in reducing spread by "superspreaders". It seems that some people are particularly effective at spreading the virus while others are relatively non-contagious (which I guess is true for most viruses), such as the person (or at least presumably person and not persons) at the biotech conference that spread it to tens of people. Maybe that's just a result of teh environment and things like AC circulation being particularly bad for concentrating the amount of virus in the air. Or maybe some people's body for whatever reason exhales a particularly high concentration of the virus. If superspreaders spread the virus through moisture droplets, maybe the masks greatly reduce spread by them. If they somehow spread more aerosol particles, then probably not. That's completely out of my ***, so it may be nonsensical. But just a guess at how they could possibly help.
Facts that debunk your "science":
Japan cases are spiking, despite a national mask mandate.
European countries are seeing spikes, despite mask mandates.
South American countries are seeing spikes despite mask mandates.
Areas of the US, such as California, still see high case counts despite mask mandates.
So much for "science."
Or, you know, you could be an adult and attempt to explain why masks aren't stopping case spikes. Of course you can't, so you have to go the childish route. You lefties are good at that.
And his motivation? If COVID-19 is on the death certificate the doctor gets $3,900 for being involved.
Unless you can prove everyone is wearing a mask, this does not show you anything. It’s like saying that because we have seatbelt laws no one should die in a car wreck because seat belts save lives. But you can’t determine everyone is wearing a seatbelt.
That's false. Covid doesn't destroy your immune system. It uses it. People already have diabetes, etc. when they get Covid. Covid doesn't cause them to get it. The storm uses your immune system to grow that storm.
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I didnt claim what you have posed here is hypothetical. I just said you are the king of terrible hypotheticals. That award is for the countless ****** hypotheticals you throw at the board and your inability to understand why they are terrible/irrelevant to your point.
CDC on 3/24: "2 Million Americans could die of Covid-19" ----------->Democrats: "We have to follow the science!!!!"
CDC on 8/30: "6% of Covid Deaths are attributed to Covid alone" ---->Democrats: "This is a QAnon conspiracy"
Also, acting like Twitter is some non bias fact checking authority is laughable. They will delete what they deem to be the truth. These CDC article comments will be deleted, but they won't delete sources claiming there are 12 different fluid genders on a spectrum. We certainly owe that to the "party of science".
Perhaps without such mandates, the spread/spikes would be worse. Or the spread/spikes would have come sooner and last longer.
No, no, no. No moving the goalposts allowed. Either they're effective or they aren't.
Just to be clear, are you saying that in a city of, say, a million people, that 10% didn't wear a mask, that 10% would be responsible for case spikes? That's a special kind of stupid you have cooking there.
It stands to reason that if masks were as effective as we are told, and any percentage of the public were wearing them, you would see an improvement in cases and new infections, compared to nobody wearing masks.
Here is a video the NFL release 5 years ago.
Here is Drew Brees earlier this week.
Here is the reason for Jacob Blake's warrant.
Blake was standing over her saying, 'I want my sh*t.' As the victim laid on her back, Blake, 'suddenly and without warning, reached his hand between her legs, penetrated her vaginally with a finger, pull it out and sniffed it, and said, ''Smells like you've been with other men.''
So I guess calling out hypocrisy is now "Alt-Right"
I’m not the one making up percentages in my head, that would be you.
I’m simply saying you can’t say mask don’t work based off increases in places with a mask mandate. That’s just not how stats work.
If there were 2 rooms, one full of people with no mask and one full of people with mask. Both rooms have covid positive people in it, which room would you rather be in? I’m not claiming they are some miracle cure but it’s not a hard concept to get behind.
I guess in 6 months, we are going to be able to look back and know what worked and whether what we “hoped” worked.
The data keeps pointing to the same end game. There are states with no mandates are dropping just as quickly as those with mandates are rising. (especially looking at hospitalizations and ICU) assuming they have reached the 25000 per million case level. (Roughly)
Look at Illinois with mask mandates, tight restrictions and very little tourism compared to Florida. Florida has no statewide mandate, looser restrictions and plenty of tourism. Illinois is on the way up in cases and recently has more cases per day on average than FL. (on a population adjusted basis.) Hawaii is an even more extreme example, but the same holds true compared to Florida.
In example after example, it appears you end up at same percentage of the population infected and then there is a natural drop in the virus spread and severity. This holds true for state and countries. Certainly case numbers are affected by the amount of testing, false positives/negatives etc, but hospitalizations don’t lie. Sweden is down to 19 in ICU. Much to you know who’s disappointment, they have been back for a couple of weeks from their summer homes and school is in session.
This isn’t to say masks don’t slow the spread, but the numbers seem to indicate that if have to reach “X%” you can get there at 500 cases a day for 100 days, or you can do it at 1000 cases per day for 50.
You blamed continued case spikes on the fact that not everyone is wearing a mask. What percentage is the tipping point that takes mask mandates from effective to useless? At what percentage of compliance should we start seeing effectiveness? I hear a lot of conceptualized theories and opinions but no substance from anyone trying to make this argument.
And on your scenario above, I don't believe masks are nearly as effective as we are led to believe, and I think you're just as likely to catch it in either room. And I'm pointing to places where mask mandates are not stopping case spikes as evidence. But your scenario suggests people would be crammed into both rooms. In the real world, you can social distance in a lot of places and reduce your risk of catching anything, making the need for a mask even less. I have no problem with people wearing masks when they can't social distance. But nobody has yet to demonstrate to me that they stop anything.
But covid kills them because of it. Aids enables other things to kill because of it. The practical result is the same, which was my point. Forest for the trees.
He would rather be in the one with no masks so he could catch it and contribute to herd immunity. If that is not his response then he needs to be quiet.
That's what the left does all the time. The facts have to fit the narrative they want.
You can assume that the policy is 100% as effective as it can be. I don't know of any policy that can only be judged if done 100% correctly by everyone impacted. Not saying that masks are a bad idea, but this argument is lacking.
In Nebraska, a mask mandate was issued for Lancaster county (Lincoln area) on July 20, about 3 weeks earlier than was issued for Douglas county (Omaha area). Similar spread in both areas when the mandates were issued. Charting the new cases over time in both areas, it would appear that issuing a mask mandate was associated with reduced community spread. It doesn't "prove" it (as these are essentially two A-B designs), but the replication of effect at least suggests it. Of course, now that schools are back in session numbers are beginning to rise again.
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