***CC22 and the Fever mega thread***

[Kceasthawk@77]

And here is an entirely different discussion I had once w/ some NBA analytic dorks...not CC-specific, but we will use her and the Fever as they are the ones we are most familiar with and her high usage rate would bring this into play.

CC averages 8+ APG....how many of those assists are directly because of her, and how many are offense/play based and how many are just the result of basketball being played?

It is a small sample size, but the Fever this year are averaging 20.6 APG.
In the 4 games that CC missed, they are averaging 20 APG.

So they would say CC is "worth" +.6 APG even though she averages over 8 per game herself.

And on the flip side...I don't have the stats in front of me right now, but I believe the Fever average 2+ more TOs per game w/ out CC than they do with her this season, so if someone is going to say she's worth +.6 APG then they would also need to credit her w/ the decrease in TOs, which would be a much higher % than most would think.

Thoughts?

And here is an entirely different discussion I had once w/ some NBA analytic dorks...not CC-specific, but we will use her and the Fever as they are the ones we are most familiar with and her high usage rate would bring this into play.

CC averages 8+ APG....how many of those assists are directly because of her, and how many are offense/play based and how many are just the result of basketball being played?

It is a small sample size, but the Fever this year are averaging 20.6 APG.
In the 4 games that CC missed, they are averaging 20 APG.

So they would say CC is "worth" +.6 APG even though she averages over 8 per game herself.

And on the flip side...I don't have the stats in front of me right now, but I believe the Fever average 2+ more TOs per game w/ out CC than they do with her this season, so if someone is going to say she's worth +.6 APG then they would also need to credit her w/ the decrease in TOs, which would be a much higher % than most would think.

Thoughts?

Now how many points per game do they average with her on the floor vs not, just based on how much gravity she has opening the floor up for other players?

 

[Kceasthawk@77]

Thought she might be cramping. They talked during the game about how hot it was in the arena

 

[Kceasthawk@77]

If we were talking about deacon hill turning it over wayyyy too much most of you guys would be fine with it. I love Mitchell getting in the face of that chick, that one was worth the T

Did Hill account for 40% of the teams offense? Comparing apples to chainsaws again aren't you.....

 

[Hawksfor3]

Ruocco and Lobo mentioned how very hot Atlanta's arena was, and then last night it was apparently very warm again in Toronto's arena. Let's hope the Dallas, NY, and Chicago arenas are cooler.

About as hot as Mitch was with Mabrey.

 

[Jonesy5960]

Clark turns it over a full turnover per game more than the 2nd most turnover prone player in the league

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Here's another interesting stat with a massive 30 point spread between the worst player in the league and 2nd worst that I think you'll appreciate.

 

[AFM22]

Here's another interesting stat with a massive 30 point spread between the worst player in the league and 2nd worst that I think you'll appreciate.

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Nobody has ever refuted this.

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

Actually she's only .1 assist higher/GM then Thomas , so no. BUT she's still a much better scorer and her gravity is much bigger then Thomas. Pretty sure Thomas has never been top three scorer in the league while leading the W in assists..

Thomas racks up a lot of her assists off their dribble handoff offense. It still technically counts as an assist if the "pass" leads to a basket.

 

[Hawksfor3]

Thomas racks up a lot of her assists off their dribble handoff offense. It still technically counts as an assist if the "pass" leads to a basket.

She needs to do better.

 

[AFM22]

Thomas racks up a lot of her assists off their dribble handoff offense. It still technically counts as an assist if the "pass" leads to a basket.

Punching Clark in the throat adds +50 assists on the season.

 

[ottumwan in tx]

Did Hill account for 40% of the teams offense? Comparing apples to chainsaws again aren't you.....

Back then and with BF at the helm, he probably did!!

 

[ottumwan in tx]

I have a problem with people getting overheated in Canada. But then again, they probably do not have the same air conditioning HVAC we have here in Austin, TX.

 

[Jonesy5960]

Nobody has ever refuted this.

No, but players around the rim should be very efficient scorers, not the worst. On the other hand, playermakers with very high levels of assists are often among the highest in turnovers. It’s a function of the number of passes thrown in traffic, which is why ATO is a more meaningful statistic to compare these types of players. This is the case with Clark, who I am sure will agree turns it over too often and should have her ATO over 2 vs 1.77 where it is today. She needs to get TO's down to around 4 per game to achieve that metric. As a comparison, Alyssa Thomas does dish out the same number of assists but has a much better ATO of 2.27 making her a much more efficient playmaker.

 

[AFM22]

No, but players around the rim should be very efficient scorers, not the worst. On the other hand, playermakers with very high levels of assists are often among the highest in turnovers. It’s a function of the number of passes thrown in traffic, which is why ATO is a more meaningful statistic to compare these types of players. This is the case with Clark, who I am sure will agree turns it over too often and should have her ATO over 2 vs 1.77 where it is today. She needs to get TO's down to around 4 per game to achieve that metric. As a comparison, Alyssa Thomas does dish out the same number of assists but has a much better ATO of 2.27 making her a much more efficient playmaker.

ok

 

[Hawksfor3]

Yeah, will be nice if MN doesn't have anything to play for those games and maybe rests a player or two if the Fever are still vying seeding.

Yeah, I can see that. Old ladies need their rest.

 

[Legend12]

Yeah, I can see that. Old ladies need their rest.

Don't wanna be exhausted when the ever important Unrivaled League starts.

 

[paladinhawk_rivals]

No, but players around the rim should be very efficient scorers...

ok

 

[Jonesy5960]

ok

 

[Franisdaman]

Tommy's obsession, predictably, continues.

Seriously, Tommy, get help. Get medicated or increase the dose. Go back to the Clemson Off Topic board to get the mental support you really need (hopefully it is still free for you).

It's no wonder Kakert made HROT subscriber only; it's because of the the obsessive mental cases like you, Tommy!

Now you are the Clemson publisher's problem.

 

[Hawksfor3]

Becky Hammon also got a double tech and ejection for crashing out at the refs, and got cheers from the crowd.........

Didn't see the game, but checked out the replay. I'm sure she called the ref an a--hole. These officials are too sensitive.

 

[Legend12]

Fudd and James both missed practice again today...pretty unlikely they suit up tomorrow against the Fever.

Azzi Fudd, Aziaha James Do Not Practice Before Wings-Fever Rematch

ARLINGTON, Texas — Azzi Fudd and Aziaha James did not practice Wednesday. Fudd is dealing with a right knee injury. James has a lower left leg injury. Reporters watched a five-on-five session, and neither guard was in it.

www.yardbarker.com

*Disclaimer: So many of these sites out there and I have zero idea if this person is credible but it seemed decently written so decided to post it anyway.

 

[Hawksfor3]

Fudd and James both missed practice again today...pretty unlikely they suit up tomorrow against the Fever.

Azzi Fudd, Aziaha James Do Not Practice Before Wings-Fever Rematch

ARLINGTON, Texas — Azzi Fudd and Aziaha James did not practice Wednesday. Fudd is dealing with a right knee injury. James has a lower left leg injury. Reporters watched a five-on-five session, and neither guard was in it.

www.yardbarker.com

*Disclaimer: So many of these sites out there and I have zero idea if this person is credible but it seemed decently written so decided to post it anyway.

 

[The Big Z]

Fudd out for the season I just saw.

 

[Hawksfor3]

GS goes on the road for 5 games following tonight's matchup with Minny. Here's to hoping they stumble.

 

[Hawksfor3]

Wings are 3-7 in their last 10 games.

 

[Tom Paris]

Tommy's obsession, predictably, continues.

Seriously, Tommy, get help. Get medicated or increase the dose. Go back to the Clemson Off Topic board to get the mental support you really need (hopefully it is still free for you).

It's no wonder Kakert made HROT subscriber only; it's because of the the obsessive mental cases like you, Tommy!

Now you are the Clemson publisher's problem.

 

[Natchrlman2]

Tommy's obsession, predictably, continues.

Seriously, Tommy, get help. Get medicated or increase the dose. Go back to the Clemson Off Topic board to get the mental support you really need (hopefully it is still free for you).

It's no wonder Kakert made HROT subscriber only; it's because of the the obsessive mental cases like you, Tommy!

Now you are the Clemson publisher's problem.

 

[ottumwan in tx]

The powers that be hate CC and Sophie so bad, no way they will “allow “ them to win a championship

 

[TJ8869]

Does anyone know exactly what set Kelsey off? She wouldn't blow up like that just because of some physical defense. Mabrey must've thrown in something extra. She would likely have gotten into a scuffle with plenty of other players, but when KM blew up Mabrey immediately backed off.

Mabrey scratched Kelsey’s right arm. As she was walking away you could see Kelsey inspecting her arm.

 

[Franisdaman]

Above appears to be Tommy's wife, folks.

Not surprised. 2 complete, extremely far left, wackos.

 

[The Big Z]

Above appears to be Tommy's wife, folks.

Not surprised. 2 complete, extremely far left, wackos.

Move on Fran. We’re talking CC. It’s old.