Cason Wallace-What's the holdup?

RalphDaltonFan

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I agree with that last statement. Smith and Sharpe are amazing players
You don't think Cason Wallace is a better player then Skyy Clark? It's really not even debatable. One guy carried an average team to an undefeated record at Peach Jam until they finally ran out of gas against the most talented frontcourt duo and can impact the game on both ends, and without the ball. The other guy was injured but his team was sub .500 with him going into this event and then played better when facing better competition without him. Bryson Warren got moved up and he was better for their team and he's a better PG. The reason Reed/Okpara played better was Warren and they actually didn't get into foul trouble as much because Warren could defend the opposing guards and not get broken down or pretend to get caught up on screens.

Not liking how I deliver my take on Clark is one thing. But it doesn't make the information incorrect. The same guys who told me he was not playing well mentioned back in April that if MoKan moved up Warren, they'd be better and they were. That's calling something well before it happens and in this case not knowing it would happen. Warren's absence was felt on 16U team too-as they lost 4 games straight and Billew's production was impacted as well.

Great guards elevate those around them, and if you put them with big time talent, they aren't losing many games. Clark is a dime a dozen.
 

RalphDaltonFan

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Sky is a stud and would have been lighting it up this week as well. His knee surgery went well and Dr. said he will be back stronger then ever. Bring them all in and run 3 guards or platoon. I hope we keep Skyy and add the others.
MoKan was under .500 with him. He had one good game against elite competition this Spring and it was against Jaden Bradley-he scored well. He was mediocre against the rest of the competition. This was pre injury as well.

I don't care what Clark decides to do-but your scenario is fine by me because he'd have to compete for mins/spot and UK would be covered like they did with SGA when Green was brought in and not left on island of "oh S**t" like they were with Askew this past year.
 

JwUKFan11

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You don't think Cason Wallace is a better player then Skyy Clark? It's really not even debatable. One guy carried an average team to an undefeated record at Peach Jam until they finally ran out of gas against the most talented frontcourt duo and can impact the game on both ends, and without the ball. The other guy was injured but his team was sub .500 with him going into this event and then played better when facing better competition without him. Bryson Warren got moved up and he was better for their team and he's a better PG. The reason Reed/Okpara played better was Warren and they actually didn't get into foul trouble as much because Warren could defend the opposing guards and not get broken down or pretend to get caught up on screens.

Not liking how I deliver my take on Clark is one thing. But it doesn't make the information incorrect. The same guys who told me he was not playing well mentioned back in April that if MoKan moved up Warren, they'd be better and they were. That's calling something well before it happens and in this case not knowing it would happen. Warren's absence was felt on 16U team too-as they lost 4 games straight and Billew's production was impacted as well.

Great guards elevate those around them, and if you put them with big time talent, they aren't losing many games. Clark is a dime a dozen.
Didn’t say that at all. I have just watched a lot of Smith and Sharpe and think they are game changers. Will have to watch more of Wallace but obviously he is good.
 

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So much for waiting to talk to Clark. Skyy is a really good player and It has somehow become the “cool” thing to do on this board is to hate on him. Really strange.
What happened to you, man? Before last season, you were a solid poster. Since then, it's like you got a lobotomy.
 

SmedMoley

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You don't think Cason Wallace is a better player then Skyy Clark? It's really not even debatable. One guy carried an average team to an undefeated record at Peach Jam until they finally ran out of gas against the most talented frontcourt duo and can impact the game on both ends, and without the ball. The other guy was injured but his team was sub .500 with him going into this event and then played better when facing better competition without him. Bryson Warren got moved up and he was better for their team and he's a better PG. The reason Reed/Okpara played better was Warren and they actually didn't get into foul trouble as much because Warren could defend the opposing guards and not get broken down or pretend to get caught up on screens.

Not liking how I deliver my take on Clark is one thing. But it doesn't make the information incorrect. The same guys who told me he was not playing well mentioned back in April that if MoKan moved up Warren, they'd be better and they were. That's calling something well before it happens and in this case not knowing it would happen. Warren's absence was felt on 16U team too-as they lost 4 games straight and Billew's production was impacted as well.

Great guards elevate those around them, and if you put them with big time talent, they aren't losing many games. Clark is a dime a dozen.
This 100%.
 
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RalphDaltonFan

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Feels like kicking Clark off the team before someone else commits is a bit hasty, but if Wallace comes on board and Skyy isn't cool with that, he's free to look around.

I think he's wise enough to stay on board, especially while recovering from injury. There are worse fall back options than being the backup at Kentucky.
Cal's #1 job is to put the best team/talent he can on the court and recruit it to Lexington. He can't worry about feelings. Big time programs are always looking for someone better and it's not anything different here. If he loves BBN, he'll come and try to beat other guys who are more talented out. Then he can try and fight off the next wave coming after that. It's big time basketball, not a mixtape of playing in a Pro Am against Dunder Mifflin Warehouse team.

The biggest thing is UK has a legit shot with the #1 PG (Wallace) from a state that has been great to Kentucky (Texas) and with a player who was offered by O/Chin at Illinois last year and Jai Lucas has coveted since he got to Kentucky. Last year btw-he played with Daimion Collins on same AAU team. So Lucas has known of Wallace/wanted him offered for some time. Now he's got the offer and UK has a strong chance to make a serious run to land him.
 

Cawood86_rivals

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Feels like kicking Clark off the team before someone else commits is a bit hasty, but if Wallace comes on board and Skyy isn't cool with that, he's free to look around.

I think he's wise enough to stay on board, especially while recovering from injury. There are worse fall back options than being the backup at Kentucky.
Cal had to make this move imo. Wallace has been impressive. Unfortunate about Clark's injury but he's got a lot of time to rehab and recover and hopefully he will.
But UK can't sit still with talented players like Wallace to sooth a player's ego. besides, Cal has shown he can and will play play talented guards together.
 

JwUKFan11

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What happened to you, man? Before last season, you were a solid poster. Since then, it's like you got a lobotomy.
Hmm not sure. I think all the posters who just want to over react to the one bad season and try to blow things out of context rubs me the wrong way, I’ll try ignore them. AlsoI just think many on here are just following what Ralph thinks about Clark. Nothing really wrong with his opinion at all but some of the other posters I think have no idea what they are talking about.
 

SmedMoley

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Hmm not sure. I think all the posters who just want to over react to the one bad season and try to blow things out of context rubs me the wrong way, I’ll try ignore them. AlsoI just think many on here are just following what Ralph thinks about Clark. Nothing really wrong with his opinion at all but some of the other posters I think have no idea what they are talking about.
I'd move on man. I was very angry with Cal last season. I, and others, saw the decline coming for a few seasons. Cal is trying to change some stuff, he's the coach, and I'm all behind him. I moved on. You can, too.
 

RunninRichie

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Hmm not sure. I think all the posters who just want to over react to the one bad season and try to blow things out of context rubs me the wrong way, I’ll try ignore them. AlsoI just think many on here are just following what Ralph thinks about Clark. Nothing really wrong with his opinion at all but some of the other posters I think have no idea what they are talking about.
His info comes from people who watch the AAU games....know it all fool.
 

RunninRichie

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Especially when I hear the same thing from other guys who know what they're talking about.
He’s a guy with severe anger issues.
To rest him not because of his play you idiot.

HE DID THAT TO REST HIM BEFORE THE TV TIMEOUT. YOU ARE AN IDIOT.

He wasn't behind him. You're an idiot. Once again nobody cares of you own some LeBron gear you're a hater. But please continue to post paragraph after paragraph of just complete nonsense.

Wow you're actually just an idiot.

You're an actual idiot.

Wow you're actually a ****ing idiot.

Can this idiot get banned yet? Jesus.

It doesn’t have to be touching the rim idiot

You are a ****ing idiot.

You’re an idiot

I said win or lose it was fun to watch the comeback. You are still an idiot

You are an actual idiot

You are an idiot and literally made this up. How embarrassing.

You’re an idiot and you just continue making the point. Everyone here knows there may have been only a .0000001% chance he returns. Not 0%. You weren’t breaking news bro we’ve seen this dance 100 times here.

Then you are an absolute idiot. It’s one thing to say yeah he was probably offered money. But to actually believe that it was 500K in the 1980s is absurd. The top NBA players were making in the 500k range but year some high school guy got offered the same.
 

RalphDaltonFan

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Hmm not sure. I think all the posters who just want to over react to the one bad season and try to blow things out of context rubs me the wrong way, I’ll try ignore them. AlsoI just think many on here are just following what Ralph thinks about Clark. Nothing really wrong with his opinion at all but some of the other posters I think have no idea what they are talking about.

His info comes from people who watch the AAU games....know it all fool.
I understand what JwUKFan11 was saying about the season's impact on all of us. It did. It sucked. That being said I don't take offense to anyone having a difference of opinion or criticizing what I'm sharing as this is about discussion and everyone should voice what they believe/think/know.

With Clark, RunninRichie is correct about who is sharing this info and they are the same who share info about the other guys too. Good, Bad, etc...and think one thing that sucks about typing/writing something is how it's intended can come off different. I was staying away from commenting on Clark for a while because it was upsetting some fans and really what happened was I'd read something that was said and try to clarify it--as to what I was told and it started all up again.

Main point on him was that those who saw all the players this AAU season weren't impressed and saw numerous other guards they felt were playing better. These guys are sharing what they see and some are friends with staff and when it's a non contact period, they get out to events to see UK targets. I've already listed the factual info regarding Clark's performance and that is just real. Nobody can debate that the team was better without him and Warren's play improved the play of the big men on MoKan. Those guys said that would happen in April. We're almost to August so that's not a vendetta or being personal about someone's level of play, it's talking basketball.

Thing is Cason Wallace has his offer and I'd speculate Nick Smith Jr is about to get his. I'm excited to see this take place and where UK recruiting is going and it falls in line with what was being said all AAU--Spring-Summer about the players.
 

SmedMoley

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I understand what JwUKFan11 was saying about the season's impact on all of us. It did. It sucked. That being said I don't take offense to anyone having a difference of opinion or criticizing what I'm sharing as this is about discussion and everyone should voice what they believe/think/know.

With Clark, RunninRichie is correct about who is sharing this info and they are the same who share info about the other guys too. Good, Bad, etc...and think one thing that sucks about typing/writing something is how it's intended can come off different. I was staying away from commenting on Clark for a while because it was upsetting some fans and really what happened was I'd read something that was said and try to clarify it--as to what I was told and it started all up again.

Main point on him was that those who saw all the players this AAU season weren't impressed and saw numerous other guards they felt were playing better. These guys are sharing what they see and some are friends with staff and when it's a non contact period, they get out to events to see UK targets. I've already listed the factual info regarding Clark's performance and that is just real. Nobody can debate that the team was better without him and Warren's play improved the play of the big men on MoKan. Those guys said that would happen in April. We're almost to August so that's not a vendetta or being personal about someone's level of play, it's talking basketball.

Thing is Cason Wallace has his offer and I'd speculate Nick Smith Jr is about to get his. I'm excited to see this take place and where UK recruiting is going and it falls in line with what was being said all AAU--Spring-Summer about the players.
You're just talking basketball. There is no personal angle to it. If Clark wasn't progressing and others were playing better, it is what it is. Should not be hard to see.
 

JwUKFan11

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You're just talking basketball. There is no personal angle to it. If Clark wasn't progressing and others were playing better, it is what it is. Should not be hard to see.
Like I said that’s fine to see it that way but I know many on this board aren’t keeping up with recruiting and watching the games are just going by what he says. It’s ok to agree or not if it’s actually your opinion and not just based on what others say. I also see Richie is still doing whatever I blocked him for. Looks like a good decision.
 

RunninRichie

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Like I said that’s fine to see it that way but I know many on this board aren’t keeping up with recruiting and watching the games are just going by what he says. It’s ok to agree or not if it’s actually your opinion and not just based on what others say. I also see Richie is still doing whatever I blocked him for. Looks like a good decision.
What are you trying to say here? How else would they know?
 

SmedMoley

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Like I said that’s fine to see it that way but I know many on this board aren’t keeping up with recruiting and watching the games are just going by what he says. It’s ok to agree or not if it’s actually your opinion and not just based on what others say. I also see Richie is still doing whatever I blocked him for. Looks like a good decision.
If you follow recruiting you can catch a recruit's game, here or there. Otherwise, you're watching mix tapes (which tell you nothing), or you're listening to the opinions of talent scouts. When a kid starts slipping in the rankings, and national guys back up what RDF is saying, yeah I go by what someone else says.
 

JwUKFan11

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If you follow recruiting you can catch a recruit's game, here or there. Otherwise, you're watching mix tapes (which tell you nothing), or you're listening to the opinions of talent scouts. When a kid starts slipping in the rankings, and national guys back up what RDF is saying, yeah I go by what someone else says.
Like I said that’s your choice to just blindly follow and agree with what another thinks. I prefer to actually watch the player play the game before I have any opinion on the subject. Like I stated earlier in the thread when RDF asked if I didn’t think Wallace was elite. It’s not that I don’t think that it’s that I don’t know, I don’t recall seeing him play once to I can’t make that call.
 

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Like I said that’s your choice to just blindly follow and agree with what another thinks. I prefer to actually watch the player play the game before I have any opinion on the subject. Like I stated earlier in the thread when RDF asked if I didn’t think Wallace was elite. It’s not that I don’t think that it’s that I don’t know, I don’t recall seeing him play once to I can’t make that call.
That's understandable. But I don't think I'd say anyone was blindly following what RDF says. As an individual, it's up to us to use what info we have available to make decisions. RDF backs his opinions with facts, so it's worth taking into consideration. But, you be you.
 

JwUKFan11

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That's understandable. But I don't think I'd say anyone was blindly following what RDF says. As an individual, it's up to us to use what info we have available to make decisions. RDF backs his opinions with facts, so it's worth taking into consideration. But, you be you.
I agree with that. Using the resources you have to make a judgement. My only point was I’ve seen quite a few negative comments about Clark, and not normal just play critique.
 

GonzoCat90

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Cal's #1 job is to put the best team/talent he can on the court and recruit it to Lexington. He can't worry about feelings. Big time programs are always looking for someone better and it's not anything different here. If he loves BBN, he'll come and try to beat other guys who are more talented out. Then he can try and fight off the next wave coming after that. It's big time basketball, not a mixtape of playing in a Pro Am against Dunder Mifflin Warehouse team.

The biggest thing is UK has a legit shot with the #1 PG (Wallace) from a state that has been great to Kentucky (Texas) and with a player who was offered by O/Chin at Illinois last year and Jai Lucas has coveted since he got to Kentucky. Last year btw-he played with Daimion Collins on same AAU team. So Lucas has known of Wallace/wanted him offered for some time. Now he's got the offer and UK has a strong chance to make a serious run to land him.

No I agree, you absolutely keep recruiting for a class that isn't on campus for another year. I'm just saying there's no reason to come out and tell Clark he's not your guy, encourage him to look elsewhere, etc.

You recruit Wallace, hopefully land him, and then Skyy can make his choice. Don't need to push a guy out the door before you're sure his replacement is on board.
 

GonzoCat90

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Cal had to make this move imo. Wallace has been impressive. Unfortunate about Clark's injury but he's got a lot of time to rehab and recover and hopefully he will.
But UK can't sit still with talented players like Wallace to sooth a player's ego. besides, Cal has shown he can and will play play talented guards together.

Don't think that I'm saying not to go after Wallace. You recruit him as hard as you can (even if he commits elsewhere, in my opinion).

I'm just saying don't tell Clark to leave until you have someone else.
 

bucsrule8872

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Justus wanted Clark. Cal listened to Justus. Justus was wrong in his evaluation of Clark and now Cal is stuck with a guy who is getting outplayed (pre-injury) by others at his position. If Cal pulls his scholarship offer, especially after the injury, he looks like a jerk. The only way to approach this is to recruit better players at his position and let the chips fall where they may.
 

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Justus wanted Clark. Cal listened to Justus. Justus was wrong in his evaluation of Clark and now Cal is stuck with a guy who is getting outplayed (pre-injury) by others at his position. If Cal pulls his scholarship offer, especially after the injury, he looks like a jerk. The only way to approach this is to recruit better players at his position and let the chips fall where they may.
We haven't signed anyone, running off a 5 star player already would be crazy.
 

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Like I said that’s your choice to just blindly follow and agree with what another thinks. I prefer to actually watch the player play the game before I have any opinion on the subject. Like I stated earlier in the thread when RDF asked if I didn’t think Wallace was elite. It’s not that I don’t think that it’s that I don’t know, I don’t recall seeing him play once to I can’t make that call.
How many people on this board actually get to see the recruits we want? How many have you seen? I think I am fairly intelligent and I know who I put credence in their info and I think RDF is one our best! I don't follow blindly what anyone says!!!!!
 

Cawood86_rivals

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Don't think that I'm saying not to go after Wallace. You recruit him as hard as you can (even if he commits elsewhere, in my opinion).

I'm just saying don't tell Clark to leave until you have someone else.
No, I am agreeing with you. You don't kick Clark to the curb, but you don't pass up on a player like Wallace if you have a shot. They can coexist. Cal has proven he will.
 

JwUKFan11

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How many people on this board actually get to see the recruits we want? How many have you seen? I think I am fairly intelligent and I know who I put credence in their info and I think RDF is one our best! I don't follow blindly what anyone says!!!!!
If you actually want to watch there are plenty of opportunities throughout the years. If you think RDF is one of the best that’s fine, like I have stated a few times in the thread. I’m somewhat confused though do you actually watch and make a decision or just follow what are RDF says, you kinda made opposite points there. !!!!!!!!
 

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I am not leadbelly, I am IeadbeIIy. If you aren't an IdIot, you should have spotted the difference.
I actually preferred your g spot reference names. You should go back to some of those. Could be like throwback jersey day type stuff.
 
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