At least we won't have to debate if he is returning next offseason!
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And that is all you need to know to realize that they are fans of the coach, not the program. But a sociopath almost always has his/her cult of personality willing to take a bullet for him/her.
Personally I would rather have Villanova's model. We can get just as much or more out of 3 and 4 year 4 stars supplemented by transfer portal as we are from the 5 stars.
That's fine but are you also fine with the 15 years it took him to win his first championship? A coach may be able to win that way, but he had to catch lightning in a bottle to do so and hit a miracle shot to win it. Aside from the 2 years they won and this year, they made it past the 2nd round once in the last 11 years.
“Aside from the 2 championships and the other final four, they’ve only done it twice!” Lol what
Ask every single person on this board if they would have left college after a year if offered the money NBA lottery picks get and 100% of them would leave. Imagine a computer science major getting a job offer from Google after their freshman year that paid $3 million guaranteed for 3 years where Google would continue to teach them to code. That's what these players get, their career just happens to be playing basketball. They get paid and continue to improve their skillset while in the league.
What's confusing? Are you saying Cat's fans would be happy w/ season after season of 1st and 2nd round exits if they got 2 championships in 20+ years?
Our fanbase is incredibly impatient and would ***** and moan about how the four star players weren't playing lights out basketball halfway through their freshman year. Our fanbase wants elite 5 star talent but wants them to stay for multiple years. Fans will complain when elite talent leaves early and also complain when multi year players aren't elite talent. It's a no win situation.
Imagine our fanbase if a coach started 52-46 with three straight NITs to start their career at UK? Jay Wright would have been run out of Lexington after year six at the latest based on this table.
Let’s see. This is how it will go.
Regular Season Record. 26 and 10
Heavy tears in the locker room after a round of 32 defeat. Players stating “we haven’t even thought about our future”
A week later, a press conference of jubilee “thanking the Big Blue Nation, but I’ll be putting my name in the draft and seeing you later!!!”
I can’t wait for next season. Things are going to change, I can feel it
Regular Season Record. 26 and 10
Heavy tears in the locker room after a round of 32 defeat. Players stating “we haven’t even thought about our future”
A week later, a press conference of jubilee “thanking the Big Blue Nation, but I’ll be putting my name in the draft and seeing you later!!!”
I can’t wait for next season. Things are going to change, I can feel it
Sorry I just thought it was a funny comment. "Aside from his 3 really awesome years he hasn't been great" lol. Jay Wright is one of the best there is doing what he has done at Villanova, really all there is to it. Every coach that has coached at Kentucky has had better results here than they have anywhere else, right (aside from BCG). Safe to say Wright would as well. What was Cal's resume prior to coming to Kentucky? Better than Wright's now?
Sounds to me, he's a real mean dog. He's not afraid to play defense or do the dirty things to win ballgames. The best part is he doesn't care what you sorry Losing Nancies think. I love him already.
GO CATS!!!!
GO CATS!!!!
It really is absolutely mind-blowing the lengths some people will go to play defense on this stuff. Guy flat says before he plays a game here he wants to "GET OUT OF THERE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE" and y'all are like yeah that's fine, because Calipari. " Sheeeeesh
McCants got shut down when he said something like this. We need to be more like UNC and crack down on these kids telling the truth!
Seriously, the kid is what 18? He shouldn't have said what he said. But, no matter what side of the political spectrum you are on, how about ALL the ADULT politicians mindlessly spouting off about just about anything? Talk about embarrassing!
I said the same thing when I went to college. In fact, after my Sophmore year, I told my roommate I was quitting because I knew all I needed to know. I went on to get 4 degrees. The kid is a kid. He is as dumb as I was at his age and probably as dumb as most of this board at that age.
Okay well I didn’t. I went to get my degree, lol.
Nonetheless it’s a really bizarre comment to make to the media as an incoming player. It’s more on the culture that’s been created here by Cal than it is the kid, though.
Over reach and a half right here.
He said we want to go far (long run with KY) and get out ASAP. Most athletes that are NBA good wants to even go to college. It is in a way a inconvenient situation to them ...
Wall was held a year back from making millions. He was good enough out of HS. The majority aren't that way. But if you have aspiring dreams of the NBA its not a real stretch idk if I'd say it publicly but that's the thinking.
He said we want to go far (long run with KY) and get out ASAP. Most athletes that are NBA good wants to even go to college. It is in a way a inconvenient situation to them ...
Wall was held a year back from making millions. He was good enough out of HS. The majority aren't that way. But if you have aspiring dreams of the NBA its not a real stretch idk if I'd say it publicly but that's the thinking.
Oh really?! Pitino did it in 5 years (post probation) and had probably the greatest team of all time in that 5th year. He was in the FF with a behemoth of a team in just year 2 (post probation). He only had 1 team that didn’t make the EE in 6 eligible years. So, I call BS.
His type of model would do great here. Like I said, it’s been done here before and done well. It wouldn’t take 15 years at UK, not even close. This isn’t Villanova.
I agree, I miss the days after our players leave here instead of going pro they embezzle money from the state of Ky and go to prison.
Gotcha! I am curious.....did you come from a family that valued higher education? Mine didn't. In fact, I was the only member of my family of origin to graduate from HS. I think family background has an effect on how many of us viewed college.
I was the 2nd person in my family ever to get a college degree.
@Lempface I think this is an important point to make for those of you that say Wright would've been run out of Kentucky with his resume at Villanova if he had the same at Kentucky. Put simply, Jay Wright's resume at Villanova is substantially better than Cal's resume was prior to coming to Kentucky. Agreed?
The entire landscape of basketball is DRASTICALLY different now than it was in 96.
It's a crapshoot with 3-4 star players who end up developing into fantastic college players or just stay pretty good.
Do I think Wright was a terrible coach for the 15 years and then all of the sudden became a good coach? No. He lucked into getting some mid tier guys that exceeded their ceilings.
Guys like Arcidiacono, Jenkins, and Divincenzo ended up much better than expected.
But just as easily you get guys that don't pan out.
The statement is not horrendous, but it is emblematic of how tone deaf the Cal culture has become.
The kid is young and probably is unaware how toxic the climate is as of now. The bigger problem is how easily Calipari brainwashed so many UK fans. What Pitino thought he would accomplish going to UL (converting Kentucky fans), Calipari has done.
He is an incredible salesman
The kid is young and probably is unaware how toxic the climate is as of now. The bigger problem is how easily Calipari brainwashed so many UK fans. What Pitino thought he would accomplish going to UL (converting Kentucky fans), Calipari has done.
He is an incredible salesman
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I don't argue with that but the sentiment was Wrights system and recruiting strategy. The guy is entrenched and he's not leaving them for us so that doesn't matter. The comparison should be looking at his Hofstra record and comparing to guys with similar strategies and resumes and whether we'd be patient enough to let that kinda guy blossom into something Wright-esque. UK fans would not be that patient.
It seems like Kansas, Nova, UNC, and Duke are, indeed, having it both ways.
Might be true but I'm pointing out the fallacy so many people on here make by looking at other coaches out there and comparing them to Cal's resume now. Cal's resume has bolstered since coming to Kentucky, Just like Pitino's and Tubby's did.
Nobody wants to play in Cal’s system, whatever that is. We don’t really have an identity. Cal needs to restructure everything to a good system that values actual basketball skill instead of pro metrics. Eh, hell, never mind. That’s never gonna happen anyway.
When Cal had true competition in CUSA (2000-2005 before UL, UC and Marquette left) he was 115-55 for 67% with 1 conference title.
UK made him a HOFer
UK made him a HOFer
Exactly. There is no reasoning going on with Cal to change. Not even a consideration.Nobody wants to play in Cal’s system, whatever that is. We don’t really have an identity. Cal needs to restructure everything to a good system that values actual basketball skill instead of pro metrics. Eh, hell, never mind. That’s never gonna happen anyway.
You have to have some kind of identity and a good system. We don’t have that with Cal. He just recruits by stars and NBA potential. There’s all kinds of programs doing this right now: Arizona, Gonzaga, duke, Baylor, Villanova, Kansas, etc.
To clarify, I think there are a number of coaches I think that would win and win big here immediately. I just don't think any would actually leave their situation. Few, Wright, Self, Donovan, Stephens come to mind.
The truth is, whoever we get next, is going to have huge question marks and is more likely to have BCG or Tubby results than Cal or Pitino. Given the current state of CBB as a whole, my personal opinion is Cal gives us the best chance to compete regularly. That doesn't mean I don't agree with many criticisms on here and I don't discount folks who don't think that way, just my opinion.
I agree Pitino did GREAT here. But it was a different era. NBA didn't really take one and dones.
We don't get 2 years of Antoine Walker or Ron Mercer nowadays.
We have no prayer of 4 years from guys like Delk, McCarty
What Ricky P did in 5 years was incredible and my gracious do I miss those days
I am tired of Cal's coaching, but he also built a behemoth of a team in his third year. The one his fifth wasn't too bad either. Maybe I just talked myself out of the argument here. Maybe a good coach can build fast here, it's happened 2 of the last 4 we got.