Casey Thompson vs Adrian Martinez

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Amart followers are like a cult. A real tough guy with speed, Eric Crouch was reviled because he didn't single-handedly beat 2001 Miami. Here we have a guy who couldn't win more than 4 games a year and we're complaining about the line.
 

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Kinda hard to do when he had absolute trash lines failing to protect his backside especially this last one which is the worst OL in DONU History. People can make all of the excuses they want but if you don't have a line that can block and protect you, any QB is gonna look and play like total *** and that is fact.
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it is not fact.
 
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Kinda hard to do when he had absolute trash lines failing to protect his backside especially this last one which is the worst OL in DONU History. People can make all of the excuses they want but if you don't have a line that can block and protect you, any QB is gonna look and play like total *** and that is fact.
2 things can be true - #1 they were a bad o line, #2 Adrian’s weaknesses (reading a defense, going through progressions, pocket awareness) made them look even worse than they really were
 

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It is bud. Your of the I don't need no stinkin line in front of me, I'll go out there by myself and tear it up with no line on the field and and get named All-American. You're not to bright!
anyone else see the irony in questioning another's intelligence with the grammar of an 8-year old?

there are dozens of quarterbacks who would've run circles around AM last year with everything being equal.
 

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2 things can be true - #1 they were a bad o line, #2 Adrian’s weaknesses (reading a defense, going through progressions, pocket awareness) made them look even worse than they really were
Hard to read anything when your running for your life due to no protection which was the case most of the time. Most of the times he ran was because the OL broke down and he had no protection.
 

Husker88

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2 things can be true - #1 they were a bad o line, #2 Adrian’s weaknesses (reading a defense, going through progressions, pocket awareness) made them look even worse than they really were
3rd can also be true.
QB was far from our biggest problem.
 

king_kong_

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3rd can also be true.
QB was far from our biggest problem.
you think having the person who was responsible for giving the ball to the other team more than one time per game was not our biggest problem?

let me guess.. kicking game? LaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingRollingLaugh
 

steinek11

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Kinda hard to do when he had absolute trash lines failing to protect his backside especially this last one which is the worst OL in DONU History. People can make all of the excuses they want but if you don't have a line that can block and protect you, any QB is gonna look and play like total *** and that is fact.
Admit it. He was terrible. Spin it all you want. I don't blame him though. This was Frost.
 

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3rd can also be true.
QB was far from our biggest problem.
I vote QB play was our biggest problem whether it was due to Martinez, Verduzco, Frost or a combination thereof. I also argue that even if QB weren't our biggest problem (like maybe Frost mismanaging every aspect of the program being the biggest problem), QB play wasn't "far" from that problem. It was still a huge problem.
 

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if thompson can hit passes better in the red zone.
it will more then counter balance losing martinez running ability
(I don't make a habit of watching burnt orange football so maybe thompson can run, idk. he sure seemed talented in the game I did see him in against the okies)
the real plus is if thompson can hang onto that ball and make clutch plays with the game on the line.

the coaching changes, could be a huge upgrade to the situation also.
will be interesting how adrian is with the mildcats, wish him well, but thompson more well..
which is ironic cause back in the 80's there wasn't alot of wishing his dad well, on the field...lol
 

steinek11

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It is bud. Your of the I don't need no stinkin line in front of me, I'll go out there by myself and tear it up with no line on the field and and get named All-American. You're not to bright!
Read BrightRed24s post right above yours because it is dead on and you are beyond clueless.
 

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At the Nike camp prior to his signing with us, Martinez clocked a blazing 4.79 40. Thompson reported a 4.55 on his HUDL page. So yeah, I think Thompson is faster. Martinez was not a fast QB period.
Yea.....a high school kid posted on his hudl that he ran a 4.5 and you believe it?
 

Husker88

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I vote QB play was our biggest problem whether it was due to Martinez, Verduzco, Frost or a combination thereof. I also argue that even if QB weren't our biggest problem (like maybe Frost mismanaging every aspect of the program being the biggest problem), QB play wasn't "far" from that problem. It was still a huge problem.

You can vote all you want, but that doesn't mean you made the right decision.
 

mgbreeze

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Passing only, Thompson is nowhere near the runner Martinez is and that's fact.
Are you talking about early season Martinez? Or mid-to-late season Martinez that was a broken shell of himself annually? I DGAF about comparing their running skills. That’s fool’s gold.
 

Rick.Shaw1

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He can run, but not as good as Adrian and that's fact. Adrian lead all QBs in the conference in rushing yardage. Casey put in the same situation as Adrian has been put in wouldn't even come close to Adrian's rushing numbers and this is also a fact. Casey is the overall better QB because of his arm and he can run but if it came down to just rushing which now it won't Adrian wins that catagory hands down.
Yes…40 yard dash times are not completely indicative of a players ability to run. I bet Mickey Joseph ran a faster 40 than Tommie. Who was the better running Qb?
 

Rick.Shaw1

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Are you talking about early season Martinez? Or mid-to-late season Martinez that was a broken shell of himself annually? I DGAF about comparing their running skills. That’s fool’s gold.
I sincerely hope CT is the second coming of Turner Gill but I have my doubts.
Who would you consider as a top tier rb in the Frost era
Well Stepp, Morrison…maybe even Mills (can’t remember) were 4 stars. So your spin that Neb can’t attract highly regarded guys rings a bit hollow. Unless you are admitting that Neb’s talent evaluation needs a little work?
 

HUSKERFAN66

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I sincerely hope CT is the second coming of Turner Gill but I have my doubts.

Well Stepp, Morrison…maybe even Mills (can’t remember) were 4 stars. So your spin that Neb can’t attract highly regarded guys rings a bit hollow. Unless you are admitting that Neb’s talent evaluation needs a little work?
They're decent yes but I wouldn't put them as elite or a program builder. Bellcow rbs want the ball and definitely want more carries than the qb
 

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They're decent yes but I wouldn't put them as elite or a program builder. Bellcow rbs want the ball and definitely want more carries than the qb
They turned out not to be bell cows but they were highly regarded when we recruited them. Don’t disagree that they didn’t meet hype/expectations.
 

HUSKERFAN66

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They turned out not to be bell cows but they were highly regarded when we recruited them. Don’t disagree that they didn’t meet hype/expectations.
Unfortunately so have many on O. Hopefully we get better development with the changes
 

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I wonder if his hand is completely healed. According to Texas fans he was much better before his hand injury. If that injury is in the past then we got a good one.
 

HUSKERFAN66

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I wonder if his hand is completely healed. According to Texas fans he was much better before his hand injury. If that injury is in the past then we got a good one.
Looked pretty good and accurate in clips I've seen. Best on target I've seen at NU in years....we'll see next fall because I've learned that the spring game isn't what it used to be either
 

bigboxes

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you think having the person who was responsible for giving the ball to the other team more than one time per game was not our biggest problem?

let me guess.. kicking game? LaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingRollingLaugh
IT'S THE LINE! AMART WOULD'VE WON A HEISMAN WITH A LINE. I KNOW IT IN MY HEART OF HEARTS! YOU MEANIE!!!
 

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I don't know why we are arguing here. Our o-line was terrible. Might still be...we don't know yet. AM was terrible. He was never clutch. Is Casey better? Who knows? Hopefully. These two things (our OL and Martinez) operated in cohesion with the other, not independently there of. Also, you gotta include Greg Austin (why he hasn't been mentioned is besides me), Ryan Held (same thing), Mario and some guy named Frost. Our defense was statistically worse than our offense (as far as Big Ten rankings go), but we had leaders on defense, and made clutch plays. I was a huge fan of Dismuke, D Williams, and Taylor-Britt along with Jojo.

At least we'll get to see if the coaching and player replacements are better. I am drinking the Kool Aid again. When you statistically have an offense ranked in the 5-8 range and a defense in the 8-10 range in the Big Ten, you should finished better than 1-8. With these changes, I think we have a good chance to do so.
 

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Kinda hard to do when he had absolute trash lines failing to protect his backside especially this last one which is the worst OL in DONU History. People can make all of the excuses they want but if you don't have a line that can block and protect you, any QB is gonna look and play like total *** and that is fact.
You know what is funny about this, is CT commented that our line play helped influence his decision to come here. The line he played with at UT was absolute garbage.

Our needs a lot of improvement, but it was hardly the issue why we lost so many games.

CT is a much faster decision maker, from what I can tell of his prior film.

Is he a better decision maker? we don't know yet, but just processing things faster is going to be a huge help.

From his standpoint, he's going to get more time to throw on average, and that might also help his performance too.

We won't really know how this goes until we start playing games, but the QB standing back there all day trying to figure out what to do, probably won't be an issue in this offense next year.
 

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This team was basically 7-10 points per game from being a 1 loss team.

Nebraska's redzone scoring average with Martinez at QB was about 75.3%.
OU with Thompson was #1 in the country at 96.23%

We don't have to get to 96% Just getting to 80% wins nearly every game last year. 80% is incredibly doable for this team and it's an easier schedule.

The biggest concern is the D-Line. Unfortunately Tuioti for all the talk was a terrible recruiter and the line Is incredibly thin and very green. Luckily they moved Dawson there and he is a pretty good recruiter and they should be pretty good going forward (Though it's still a stupid arrangement) but this year is going to be hairy if injuries pile up.
 

bigboxes

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This team was basically 7-10 points per game from being a 1 loss team.

Nebraska's redzone scoring average with Martinez at QB was about 75.3%.
OU with Thompson was #1 in the country at 96.23%

We don't have to get to 96% Just getting to 80% wins nearly every game last year. 80% is incredibly doable for this team and it's an easier schedule.

The biggest concern is the D-Line. Unfortunately Tuioti for all the talk was a terrible recruiter and the line Is incredibly thin and very green. Luckily they moved Dawson there and he is a pretty good recruiter and they should be pretty good going forward (Though it's still a stupid arrangement) but this year is going to be hairy if injuries pile up.
UT, not OU
 

BuckysBoys1

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You know what is funny about this, is CT commented that our line play helped influence his decision to come here. The line he played with at UT was absolute garbage.

Our needs a lot of improvement, but it was hardly the issue why we lost so many games.

CT is a much faster decision maker, from what I can tell of his prior film.

Is he a better decision maker? we don't know yet, but just processing things faster is going to be a huge help.

From his standpoint, he's going to get more time to throw on average, and that might also help his performance too.

We won't really know how this goes until we start playing games, but the QB standing back there all day trying to figure out what to do, probably won't be an issue in this offense next year.
Did you expect CT to come and criticize the O line. Of course he's going to say they were good
 
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Did you expect CT to come and criticize the O line. Of course he's going to say they were good
Why? Is there a requirement to mention the line as a reason for making a decision? If he just says, I was excited to learn from Coach Frost and Coach Whipple and Coach Joseph and my dad have been friends for over 30 years and I felt comfortable with what was going on in Lincoln, that wouldn't have been enough? There was no reason to even mention the OLine, good or bad, as a reason for choosing Nebraska.
 
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anyone else see the irony in questioning another's intelligence with the grammar of an 8-year old?

there are dozens of quarterbacks who would've run circles around AM last year with everything being equal.
Really? Dude can’t check down for **** but come on our line couldn’t protect their mother!
 

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Did you expect CT to come and criticize the O line. Of course he's going to say they were good
see what Tuco wrote..

I think you're reaching too far on that.

We have had a lot of changes, personnel and coaching wise, and the reports so far are good.

Can we believe everything we hear? Of course not, but I'm cautiously optimistic in the state of the program right now.