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Seems Lane Burroughs trusted his eyes -- and Mingione trusted Kendall Rogers and the other guys in Atlanta.
I do not know if I would go that far. I think Mingione sucks and all just like the next guy, but I do not think we recruited any differently under Burroughs. It seems to me we just had some tweener years between the 2010 class and the 2013 class where we did not get as good of signees. And predictably, after the CWS run, our recruiting has sky-rocketed. It is also obvious that Cohen realizes he has to go after the high draft picks, whereas before he did not.
 

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I hope you are right about this next class. But I've heard a lot of those same things about players we have on campus now who aren't contributing ****.
 

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You are right, sorry about that. Seems I actually agree with you. I get a little charged up and overlook things while having to keep all these FARRRRR EERRRRBODY morons in line.
 

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No you have not. This class has about 10 draft risks. You have not heard that about any other MSU class since 1994.

It is pretty easy to see. Get the draft-caliber guys in school and you win. They do not all have to be drafted, but just that caliber of player. 2010, 2013 and 2015 had or have a significant number of those caliber players. We went to Omaha when the 2010 class was juniors. I expect the same next year. Come to think of it, 2014 was not a bad class as far as that goes. Gordon, Dominguez, McCord and Stover were highly thought of and had big offers. Ryan Gridley is showing that he belongs. Good filler class. The future is bright.

In hindsight, it appears the 2012 class is where we whiffed. We got Jacob Robson and Cody Brown, that is about it. At least in 2011 we got Holder and Lindgren. Both of those classes overall had a bunch of duds.
 
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I think you forget how bad year 1 and 2 were for Cohen. This won't be his worst team.

If you follow the party line that the first 2 years weren't on Cohen , then Yes , this might be his worst team since being at MSU. If you can't hold the first 2 years against him, then you can't use them in his defense. I'm ok with not blaming him for how bad We were his first 2 years , but then you can't use those 2 years to say this isn't his worst team. You can't have it both ways. Either he is responsible for the first 2 years or he is not which makes this his worst team.
 

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If you follow the party line that the first 2 years weren't on Cohen , then Yes , this might be his worst team since being at MSU. If you can't hold the first 2 years against him, then you can't use them in his defense. I'm ok with not blaming him for how bad We were his first 2 years , but then you can't use those 2 years to say this isn't his worst team. You can't have it both ways. Either he is responsible for the first 2 years or he is not which makes this his worst team.

I've never used the party line that the first 2 years were not his responsibility. Did those 2 years not count against his record? Was he not the head coach? You're the one who made the ridiculous claim that this is his worst team. You didn't say this is his worst team since year 2.
 

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I think it's very fair to say the first 2 years were on Polk. He decimated our baseball roster. I'm about as harsh a critic of Cohen as there is, but I can't blame him for that. And we're going to have up years and down years. But in year 7, there's no excuse for the downs to be this low.
 

ronpolk

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I think it's very fair to say the first 2 years were on Polk. He decimated our baseball roster. I'm about as harsh a critic of Cohen as there is, but I can't blame him for that. And we're going to have up years and down years. But in year 7, there's no excuse for the downs to be this low.

I think you guys should let the season play out before you proclaim it to be so low in year 7.
 

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Considering we've been in the easy part of our SEC schedule these first 3 weeks, it's not likely to get much better. The teams we've played are 5-13 in their other SEC games and 6-3 against us. Plus 4 of our remaining 7 series are on the road.
 

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Considering we've been in the easy part of our SEC schedule these first 3 weeks, it's not likely to get much better. The teams we've played are 5-13 in their other SEC games and 6-3 against us. Plus 4 of our remaining 7 series are on the road.

No way we can break out of the slump and win a few games. Cohen's track record suggest we will win a few series down the stretch of the season. We have actually managed to avoid disaster the last few weekends and not get swept. That shows the team still has some fight.
 
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Ace-Leroy

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I've never used the party line that the first 2 years were not his responsibility. Did those 2 years not count against his record? Was he not the head coach? You're the one who made the ridiculous claim that this is his worst team. You didn't say this is his worst team since year 2.

Points well made. I concede. I worded my response to you poorly.