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sgfeer

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The question may be, which and how many pardons will he have to give her. The big one would be for the foundation, the other stuff is background noise, but the Foundation is where I think the real fire is.
 

WVUBRU

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My understanding is Obama could issue a pardon that will cover everything Clinton is being accused and that would be the end which is similar to what Ford did for Nixon . positives would be putting it behind so the country could move forward but negative would be a huge political price for the Dems. And it will tarnish Hillary and the Foundation .

I will bet you will not see a pardon and you will not see any criminal indictments over the Foundation . You will see right wingers continue with conspiracy theories and whining .
 

DvlDog4WVU

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My understanding is Obama could issue a pardon that will cover everything Clinton is being accused and that would be the end which is similar to what Ford did for Nixon . positives would be putting it behind so the country could move forward but negative would be a huge political price for the Dems. And it will tarnish Hillary and the Foundation .

I will bet you will not see a pardon and you will not see any criminal indictments over the Foundation . You will see right wingers continue with conspiracy theories and whining .
I'm in agreement with this post. If it were me in the position, I would not push for an indictment, I would however, assign an independent prosecutor to the case and use whatever they turn up as leverage, but ultimately issue the pardon. The country needs to heal right now and come together. That has been my single most important issue in this election cycle. Bridging the gap to the left shows immediate leadership, it also puts my base and my side on notice of how we as a team will move forward with the other side. Bottom line though, the leverage would be conditional on agreement from Hillary and Bill whipping support for my initiatives and their retirement from seeking office in the future.
 

Airport

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I'm in agreement with this post. If it were me in the position, I would not push for an indictment, I would however, assign an independent prosecutor to the case and use whatever they turn up as leverage, but ultimately issue the pardon. The country needs to heal right now and come together. That has been my single most important issue in this election cycle. Bridging the gap to the left shows immediate leadership, it also puts my base and my side on notice of how we as a team will move forward with the other side. Bottom line though, the leverage would be conditional on agreement from Hillary and Bill whipping support for my initiatives and their retirement from seeking office in the future.

I would insist on a public allocution to the pay to play and the disbandment of the Foundation completely.
 

mneilmont

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The question may be, which and how many pardons will he have to give her. The big one would be for the foundation, the other stuff is background noise, but the Foundation is where I think the real fire is.
Looks like Presidential Pardon is restricted in federal cases. He has no pardon powers in state nor civil matters. He can pardon without being specific, so general description applies to any potential associated matter within a specified time frame.

The pardon should rest with Obama. Trump should not take his campaign rhetoric lightly just to give Hillary a pass. But, if he intends to charge and pardon, he should not waste taxpayer money. Just make a joint announcement with Hillary that she is forgiven and she will cease and desist in activities so described.

Draining the Swamp may restrict Trump lateral actions, but I agree that it should be put behind and grudgingly move forward. At some point, it is just the right thing to do to move on.

Trump should give pardon to all others who are being punished for similar activity and statements.
 
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CAJUNEER_rivals

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Looks like Presidential Pardon is restricted in federal cases. He has no pardon powers in state nor civil matters. He can pardon without being specific, so general description applies to any potential associated matter within a specified time frame.

The pardon should rest with Obama. Trump should not take his campaign rhetoric lightly just to give Hillary a pass. But, if he intends to charge and pardon, he should not waste taxpayer money. Just make a joint announcement with Hillary that she is forgiven and she will cease and desist in activities so described.

Draining the Swamp may restrict Trump lateral actions, but I agree that it should be put behind and grudgingly move forward. At some point, it is just the right thing to do to move on.

Trump should give pardon to all others who are being punished for similar activity and statements.
The best political path for Trump concerning Hillary is a vigorous investigation not resulting in an indictment.
 

mneilmont

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The best political path for Trump concerning Hillary is a vigorous investigation not resulting in an indictment.
That can be done without the presumption of not guilty? Would have to think about that. I want her in forced retirement. She has been above the law too long.
 

CAJUNEER_rivals

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That can be done without the presumption of not guilty? Would have to think about that. I want her in forced retirement. She has been above the law too long.
Vindication has a way of coming back around. Unless democrats really turn on the Clintons prosecuting Hillary will prove adverse to unity.
 

mneilmont

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Vindication has a way of coming back around. Unless democrats really turn on the Clintons prosecuting Hillary will prove adverse to unity.
I did not intend vindication. We have a constitution that says we are a nation of laws. Just because she is very high in the liberal party should not place her above the law.

I hope we can get past it for the sake of the country, but I cannot place her above the law. Again for the sake of country. She has been arrogant about her power for years. Of course, it is not straight forward. We have to attempt to balance how we go forward. Again for the sake of country. Very conflated on action to take.