Calling poster dontestrond

[RUfubar_rivals]

Need a little of this poster's wisdom for this board right now.
I'm not sure how he's going to pan out in the end and I'm a bit pessimistic about Ash right now. But Urban Meyer could not do any better with this RU team right now vs a powerhouse like OSU ...if we switched coaches.

 

[RUfubar_rivals]

Dude STHU please. I'm not even a fan and some of you delusional fans are insane. You went 2-10 and lost 224-0 in big ten play. It doesn't work like that. Its a f'ing rebuild. Your going to have to sit thru this ****. You mean to tell me your team hasn't done nothing in 100 plus years but because you win bowl games and share a conference title after Miami, VT, and BC leaves, that Ash can sprinkle pixie dust on Rutgers after one year, your suppose to be Nat Champs. Welcome to big boy ball. You gotta crawl before you walk boy. Its a process. Man some of ya'll are INSANE.

 

[dontestrond]

Look I have been on this board for a while and your not used to this. I don't blame you because your used to facing UConn, USF, Syracuse, Pitt, WVU, Cincy, Temple, Navy, Army, D3 programs and occasionally UNC. You are going to get your *** handed to you. Its called paying your dues in big boy football. Did you watch the game. tOSU has a third team that would win the ACC besides Clemson. That's what you have face every year. You are a developmental program. Its going to take years to get to that level of consistency unless Ash sells his soul and he won't. You lost almost 30 players in your last 3 recruiting classes. Depth and play calling on the offensive side of the ball is the issue. That offense is horrible and in my opinion you gotta put the freshmen in and run the read option. You gotta go full spread because you don't have Wisconsin's line or even Kill's Minnesota line to run whatever you run. Its pathetic and very horrible to watch. Like every time you line up in that predictable formation, I see It and that red ballon because its some scary ****.

 

[DHajekRC84]

. Its pathetic and very horrible to watch. Like every time you line up in that predictable formation, I see It and that red ballon because its some scary ****.

:uzi: (insert my head) :gun:

 

[JerseyShoreKnight]

Spoke with a few tOSU alums today. They told me they think Ash is an excellent coach and he's just gotta get a few of his recruiting classes in to get going. Basically, they think that the cupboard was basically empty when he arrived and he needs to be given time. A lot more than the fan base wants to give him. But then that's when you'll see some serious improvement and consistency.

 

[Rufaninga]

Look I have been on this board for a while and your not used to this. I don't blame you because your used to facing UConn, USF, Syracuse, Pitt, WVU, Cincy, Temple, Navy, Army, D3 programs and occasionally UNC. You are going to get your *** handed to you. Its called paying your dues in big boy football. Did you watch the game. tOSU has a third team that would win the ACC besides Clemson. That's what you have face every year. You are a developmental program. Its going to take years to get to that level of consistency unless Ash sells his soul and he won't. You lost almost 30 players in your last 3 recruiting classes. Depth and play calling on the offensive side of the ball is the issue. That offense is horrible and in my opinion you gotta put the freshmen in and run the read option. You gotta go full spread because you don't have Wisconsin's line or even Kill's Minnesota line to run whatever you run. Its pathetic and very horrible to watch. Like every time you line up in that predictable formation, I see It and that red ballon because its some scary ****.

God bless you for watching this team. You're watching, while many fans have given up. There's a special place in heaven for good ppl like you.

 

[LETSGORU91_]

God bless you for watching this team. You're watching, while many fans have given up. There's a special place in heaven for good ppl like you.

I second that. I'm not sure why you come here Don, but I appreciate your crituques while keeping it honest yet as respectful as possible.

 

[NickyNewark51]

Look I have been on this board for a while and your not used to this. I don't blame you because your used to facing UConn, USF, Syracuse, Pitt, WVU, Cincy, Temple, Navy, Army, D3 programs and occasionally UNC. You are going to get your *** handed to you. Its called paying your dues in big boy football. Did you watch the game. tOSU has a third team that would win the ACC besides Clemson. That's what you have face every year. You are a developmental program. Its going to take years to get to that level of consistency unless Ash sells his soul and he won't. You lost almost 30 players in your last 3 recruiting classes. Depth and play calling on the offensive side of the ball is the issue. That offense is horrible and in my opinion you gotta put the freshmen in and run the read option. You gotta go full spread because you don't have Wisconsin's line or even Kill's Minnesota line to run whatever you run. Its pathetic and very horrible to watch. Like every time you line up in that predictable formation, I see It and that red ballon because its some scary ****.

Hate to admit it but it's got a lot of truth to it...but this may be good for us down the line...we'll toughen up with this yrly schedule and we're well positioned to grow into a Wisky Nebbie Okla St or better in our home recruiting grounds and tough blue collar type kids in short order comparatively speaking !!!Trouble is are our boomer fans like myself getting too old to see or enjoy it??

 

[dontestrond]

I watch because of Ash. I like him a lot and I want to see him succeed. For some reason us a Bama fans become obsessed with people who beat us. We are the reason Johnny Manziel is who he is. On my board, who wants to talk about winning all day anyway.

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

I watch because of Ash. I like him a lot and I want to see him succeed. For some reason us a Bama fans become obsessed with people who beat us. We are the reason Johnny Manziel is who he is. On my board, who wants to talk about winning all day anyway.

I think it beats talking about losing all day. Take my word for it. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

 

[T2Kplus10]

Depth and play calling on the offensive side of the ball is the issue. That offense is horrible and in my opinion you gotta put the freshmen in and run the read option. You gotta go full spread because you don't have Wisconsin's line or even Kill's Minnesota line to run whatever you run. Its pathetic and very horrible to watch. Like every time you line up in that predictable formation, I see It and that red ballon because its some scary ****.

Truth.

 

[T2Kplus10]

I watch because of Ash. I like him a lot and I want to see him succeed. For some reason us a Bama fans become obsessed with people who beat us. We are the reason Johnny Manziel is who he is. On my board, who wants to talk about winning all day anyway.

Good grief, a program that gets bored of winning. Is that heaven?

 

[FellowPaisan]

Spoke with a few tOSU alums today. They told me they think Ash is an excellent coach and he's just gotta get a few of his recruiting classes in to get going. Basically, they think that the cupboard was basically empty when he arrived and he needs to be given time. A lot more than the fan base wants to give him. But then that's when you'll see some serious improvement and consistency.

I'm all for giving him time. I think he is working his tail off. People have to be patient but that's a lot to ask for when we have been patient for years with little success to hold our hat on. These blowouts are disheartening and deflating for the fanbase.

 

[gmen6981]

Spoke with a few tOSU alums today. They told me they think Ash is an excellent coach and he's just gotta get a few of his recruiting classes in to get going. Basically, they think that the cupboard was basically empty when he arrived and he needs to be given time. A lot more than the fan base wants to give him. But then that's when you'll see some serious improvement and consistency.

I said it on this board when Ash was hired.......When he came to OSU from Wisky, he took the worst defense OSU had seen in 25 years and turned it into a monster the following year. He did it by changing the culture that had been established by the previous D staff, and changing the scheme. TALENT was not really an issue.
With Rutgers, he had a lot less to work with when he arrived. That's not a knock, it's just what the situation was. Given time, I still think he can make a huge difference with your program. Recruiting is the key, and also the hard part. If he can put together a few good classes, and somehow keep some of that in state talent at home, You will see improvement.
It takes time, and it's not easy, but if everyone is patient, it will happen. Best of luck to the Knights the rest of the way, and the vast majority of Buckeye Nation is pulling for you!

 

[RUsince52]

Let's start a swap the HC program at halftime if we're re down by four scores or more. Can't hurt.

 

[ATIOH]

your not used to this. I don't blame you because your used to facing UConn, USF, Syracuse, Pitt, WVU, Cincy, Temple, Navy, Army, D3 programs and occasionally UNC. You are going to get your *** handed to you. Its called paying your dues in big boy football.

I appreciate your perspective and recognize you're not a troll, but I have to call you out here. We didn't start playing big boy football in 2014.

We were used to playing teams like the '01 Canes or Michael Vick's Hokies. Teams that would dominate anyone we've played in the B1G.

Even when those teams left, they were replaced by a very good Louisville program and a good South Florida team..... both ranked in the top 5 when we beat them.

And the BEast teams you listed were as good, if not better, than current mid level B1G teams like Indiana, Illinois, or Maryland. RichRod had WVU rolling.

As far as paying dues, we already beat Michigan our first year and nearly beat PSU. We almost did the same against MSU which ended the year #3.

No, we don't have to get "our *** handed to us" every week now that we're in the mighty Big Ten. We've been paying our dues for years.

 

[JCKnight]

I watch because of Ash. I like him a lot and I want to see him succeed. For some reason us a Bama fans become obsessed with people who beat us. We are the reason Johnny Manziel is who he is. On my board, who wants to talk about winning all day anyway.

Ash might be a good defensive coordinator when he has all Americans littering his defense...but he leaves a lot to be desired as a head coach...IMO he is in over his head...and here is why

1) he compiled an initial staff that lacked experienced and successful Power 5 assistants other than some power 5 quality control guys nor had anyone with prior head coaching experience as he himself didn't have any

2) he has not been known as a great recruiter (OSU sells itself especially when they are winning NCs) and none of the assistants he brought in had national or regional recruiting recognition

3) he doesn't seem capable of developing offensive or defensive strategies that line up with the level of talent (or lack thereof) of his current players - are we trying to be a spread offense or a pro-style? I still don't know which direction we are recruiting for

I've said it before and I'll say it again (contrary to Al) this team lacks B1G level talent, outside of Melton (legacy) and keeping Micah home he hasn't recruited at a B1G level and he hasn't developed any existing players (see Turay, Rescigno, any offensive lineman or linebackers) to build any depth or even an average defensive unit...

It's easy to recruit and lead a successful defensive unit at Ohio state, ask Schiano...this job demands a much different skill set to be successful and I have not seen that in Ash OR his hires (even Kill)

 

[RUfubar_rivals]

One of the things that most makes me suspect about Ash is the DM situation.
Here he gave a very young guy a big opportunity, and Ash was rewarded with this guy bolting..... There is an air of disrespect and negligence to that whole storyline.
The fact that most of the fan base wanted DM gone is not relevant to the glowing negative manner in which this came down. You may believe the narrative that Ash forced him out in a face-saving manner but I'm skeptical about that.

 

[vkj91]

One of the things that most makes me suspect about Ash is the DM situation.
Here he gave a very young guy a big opportunity, and Ash was rewarded with this guy bolting..... There is an air of disrespect and negligence to that whole storyline.
The fact that most of the fan base wanted DM gone is not relevant to the glowing negative manner in which this came down. You may believe the narrative that Ash forced him out in a face-saving manner but I'm skeptical about that.

It's not a narrative

 

[vkj91]

It's Amazing how other teams fans know more about our situation than our fans

 

[Caliknight]

Spoke with a few tOSU alums today. They told me they think Ash is an excellent coach and he's just gotta get a few of his recruiting classes in to get going. Basically, they think that the cupboard was basically empty when he arrived and he needs to be given time. A lot more than the fan base wants to give him. But then that's when you'll see some serious improvement and consistency.

All this is true. But this was one of those games you circle. Not to win, but to see how we compete and look. Ash knows this team. He shouldn't have been surprised by much.

Still, we see constant miscues in lining up, missed tackles, an offense with zero creativity, blitz packages with little of the same, little passion, and little belief.

If we got our asses handed to us while simply being outgunned, that's expected. But this is much more than that. Broken coverages galore, not ready at the snap...that's on the coaches, and ultimately the head coach.

Outside of some behind the scenes stuff that is needed, along with some level of decent recruiting, Ash does nothing to inspire confidence or that he has vision. Come game day, he is winging it. Looks like what he is- a neophyte head coach. Can and will her learn is the question, and that is very questionable at this point.

 

[Scarlet Blind_rivals]

What part of our best players are 18-20 years old competing against 21-23 years old some of our fan base doesn't understands? There is a huge reason why NFL has established a 3 years in college b4 being eligible in the draft because they aren't physically ready to play in the NFL between 18-20. Ash has only been with this team less than 2 years. Yes we've made strides but Flood completely destroyed in 3 years what Schiano built in 11 years with bad recruiting, bad strength and conditioning, etc. It's mind boggling how people overrate all the talent left that the prior coach has brought in. Out of the 2012(Schiano/Flood) all gone, 2013, 2014 and 2015(Flood/Ash) class and don't tell me 2015 was Ash's class it was mostly Flood. He's had one true class so far. Out of the main 3 classes there are about 30 out of 73(2013-22, 2014-26 and 2015-25) recruits left from 2013-2015. Over 40 gone from your Seniors and Juniors 3rd 4th and 5th yr players. Harsh stats people. You can't win like that, but keep overrating our talent.

 

[LETSGORU91_]

I think it beats talking about losing all day. Take my word for it. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

I agree, but why do some people here like to talk about losing all freakin' day long?

I said it on this board when Ash was hired.......When he came to OSU from Wisky, he took the worst defense OSU had seen in 25 years and turned it into a monster the following year. He did it by changing the culture that had been established by the previous D staff, and changing the scheme.

Me thinks Ash needs to change some of the culture here on this board as well.

What part of our best players are 18-20 years old competing against 21-23 years old some of our fan base doesn't understands? There is a huge reason why NFL has established a 3 years in college b4 being eligible in the draft because they aren't physically ready to play in the NFL between 18-20. Ash has only been with this team less than 2 years. Yes we've made strides but Flood completely destroyed in 3 years what Schiano built in 11 years with bad recruiting, bad strength and conditioning, etc. It's mind boggling how people overrate all the talent left that the prior coach has brought in. Out of the 2012(Schiano/Flood) all gone, 2013, 2014 and 2015(Flood/Ash) class and don't tell me 2015 was Ash's class it was mostly Flood. He's had one true class so far. Out of the main 3 classes there are about 30 out of 73(2013-22, 2014-26 and 2015-25) recruits left from 2013-2015. Over 40 gone from your Seniors and Juniors 3rd 4th and 5th yr players. Harsh stats people. You can't win like that, but keep overrating our talent.

Exactly. Floods leftovers and true freshman do not make for much of a chance to significantly improve right now. Better talent (through recruiting) and maturation of the young guys will yield results. Coaching and decisions made on game day can always be improved if the coaches are willing to alter there ways.

 

[FELONIOUSMONK]

148 years. How much more can we take?

 

[nikoru09]

Look I have been on this board for a while and your not used to this. I don't blame you because your used to facing UConn, USF, Syracuse, Pitt, WVU, Cincy, Temple, Navy, Army, D3 programs and occasionally UNC. You are going to get your *** handed to you. Its called paying your dues in big boy football. Did you watch the game. tOSU has a third team that would win the ACC besides Clemson. That's what you have face every year. You are a developmental program. Its going to take years to get to that level of consistency unless Ash sells his soul and he won't. You lost almost 30 players in your last 3 recruiting classes. Depth and play calling on the offensive side of the ball is the issue. That offense is horrible and in my opinion you gotta put the freshmen in and run the read option. You gotta go full spread because you don't have Wisconsin's line or even Kill's Minnesota line to run whatever you run. Its pathetic and very horrible to watch. Like every time you line up in that predictable formation, I see It and that red ballon because its some scary ****.

this is spot on...might as well play free, and easy. really, how much worse can it get. let gio, or jlew run the read option, and let the chips fall where they may.............please..........and dont forget to throw on first down once in a while.......run on 1st down, run on 2nd down...pass on 3rd down...how orginal

 

[JerseyShoreKnight]

Spoke with a few tOSU alums today. They told me they think Ash is an excellent coach and he's just gotta get a few of his recruiting classes in to get going. Basically, they think that the cupboard was basically empty when he arrived and he needs to be given time. A lot more than the fan base wants to give him. But then that's when you'll see some serious improvement and consistency.

I'm all for giving him time. I think he is working his tail off. People have to be patient but that's a lot to ask for when we have been patient for years with little success to hold our hat on. These blowouts are disheartening and deflating for the fanbase.

I know. But that's who we are as a program. This is not a program where we can transition from coaches seamlessly (yet). We've had coaches who have left the program worse than they found it. The few good hires we've made have had the progress they made erased in a few seasons by the next guy.

We finally have a guy that's bounced around power programs in the Big Ten and the SEC. We have to give him time, create some stability and continuity within the program and see what happens. We can't keep ru musing and repeating every few years or we'll be running in place. It's tough to have to wait after years of disappointment, but it's the only way it's going to get better.

 

[JerseyShoreKnight]

Look I have been on this board for a while and your not used to this. I don't blame you because your used to facing UConn, USF, Syracuse, Pitt, WVU, Cincy, Temple, Navy, Army, D3 programs and occasionally UNC. You are going to get your *** handed to you. Its called paying your dues in big boy football. Did you watch the game. tOSU has a third team that would win the ACC besides Clemson. That's what you have face every year. You are a developmental program. Its going to take years to get to that level of consistency unless Ash sells his soul and he won't. You lost almost 30 players in your last 3 recruiting classes. Depth and play calling on the offensive side of the ball is the issue. That offense is horrible and in my opinion you gotta put the freshmen in and run the read option. You gotta go full spread because you don't have Wisconsin's line or even Kill's Minnesota line to run whatever you run. Its pathetic and very horrible to watch. Like every time you line up in that predictable formation, I see It and that red ballon because its some scary ****.

this is spot on...might as well play free, and easy. really, how much worse can it get. let gio, or jlew run the read option, and let the chips fall where they may.............please..........and dont forget to throw on first down once in a while.......run on 1st down, run on 2nd down...pass on 3rd down...how orginal

I think this is the plan when Lewis is ready. When Kill talking to him about his verbal commitment, he said he wanted to use him like Jordan Lynch was used at NIU. I sure hope so. He'd be lethal in that offense.

 

[madchuck]

I think this is the plan when Lewis is ready. When Kill talking to him about his verbal commitment, he said he wanted to use him like Jordan Lynch was used at NIU. I sure hope so. He'd be lethal in that offense.

If that's what our offense is supposed to look like, wouldn't it make sense to start Gio?

 

[waretown]

I watch because of Ash. I like him a lot and I want to see him succeed. For some reason us a Bama fans become obsessed with people who beat us. We are the reason Johnny Manziel is who he is. On my board, who wants to talk about winning all day anyway.

you can have him, please take him

 

[dontestrond]

I appreciate your perspective and recognize you're not a troll, but I have to call you out here. We didn't start playing big boy football in 2014.

We were used to playing teams like the '01 Canes or Michael Vick's Hokies. Teams that would dominate anyone we've played in the B1G.You did not face what your facing every year. You have a 9 game conference schedule and don't forget the cross overs. You have

Even when those teams left, they were replaced by a very good Louisville program and a good South Florida team..... both ranked in the top 5 when we beat them.

And the BEast teams you listed were as good, if not better, than current mid level B1G teams like Indiana, Illinois, or Maryland. RichRod had WVU rolling.

As far as paying dues, we already beat Michigan our first year and nearly beat PSU. We almost did the same against MSU which ended the year #3.

No, we don't have to get our *** handed to us every week now that we're in the mighty Big Ten. We've been paying our dues for years.

you can have him, please take him

Go to the Ohio State board, they are practically blaming your program for his "failure". He still gets thank you mail from alumnus of the university thanking him for chip. They would gladly take him back. Realize what you got. Watch the games. Did you see what we did to Vandy. Rutgers classes average from 13 to 16 is 58. Ohio State is 3. Please!!!!

 

[dontestrond]

If that's what our offense is supposed to look like, wouldn't it make sense to start Gio?

No, that kid is not good. When film of that Minny game out, he was shut down.

 

[JerseyShoreKnight]

I appreciate your perspective and recognize you're not a troll, but I have to call you out here. We didn't start playing big boy football in 2014.

We were used to playing teams like the '01 Canes or Michael Vick's Hokies. Teams that would dominate anyone we've played in the B1G.You did not face what your facing every year. You have a 9 game conference schedule and don't forget the cross overs. You have

Even when those teams left, they were replaced by a very good Louisville program and a good South Florida team..... both ranked in the top 5 when we beat them.

And the BEast teams you listed were as good, if not better, than current mid level B1G teams like Indiana, Illinois, or Maryland. RichRod had WVU rolling.

As far as paying dues, we already beat Michigan our first year and nearly beat PSU. We almost did the same against MSU which ended the year #3.

No, we don't have to get our *** handed to us every week now that we're in the mighty Big Ten. We've been paying our dues for years.

you can have him, please take him

Go to the Ohio State board, they are practically blaming your program for his "failure". He still gets thank you mail from alumnus of the university thanking him for chip. They would gladly take him back. Realize what you got. Watch the games. Did you see what we did to Vandy. Rutgers classes average from 13 to 16 is 58. Ohio State is 3. Please!!!!

ATIOH, they say teams that switch conferences usually have success in year 1 due to the unfamiliarity. Then year 2 they drop off. Year 3 is when a very tough climb back begins. See Texas A&M's first year in the SEC compared to this year.

 

[JerseyShoreKnight]

I think this is the plan when Lewis is ready. When Kill talking to him about his verbal commitment, he said he wanted to use him like Jordan Lynch was used at NIU. I sure hope so. He'd be lethal in that offense.

If that's what our offense is supposed to look like, wouldn't it make sense to start Gio?

Because the rest of the pieces to run that offense are freshman, just like Lewis. The staff thought it'd be better to adapt to the personnel they have now. The spread is designed to put the offense in one one one situations, including the OL. Do you see a line that can win 5 on 5 or receivers that can get separation from man coverage? I don't.

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

It's Amazing how other teams fans know more about our situation than our fans

You should be used to it by now.

 

[Knight Shift]

I think this is the plan when Lewis is ready. When Kill talking to him about his verbal commitment, he said he wanted to use him like Jordan Lynch was used at NIU. I sure hope so. He'd be lethal in that offense.

There's a difference here. Lynch redshirted in 2009. Then was used sparingly for 2 years as a backup QB in 2010 and 2011. NIU was a MAC power already, going 11-3 in 2010 and 2011. So there was a system. They also played in the MAC, and played only Iowa in 2012 and Iowa and Purdue in 2012 and 2013.

Don't mean to throw cold water on hope, but the situations were night and day.

 

[Knight Shift]

No, that kid is not good. When film of that Minny game out, he was shut down.

Respect your opinion, but you are dead wrong here. He pulled a hammy against Minnesota and was hampered/limited for the rest of the season.
He was the only QB who played (and his time was very limited) on Saturday who effectively moved the ball. He moved the ball 30 yards in 7 plays to the 17 for our missed FG. Yeah, it was garbage time. Every time he has been healthy and in the game, he is effective.
Why not start him or give him a significant shot to play a quarter or half? Recruiting will suffer if the **** show on the field continues.

 

[dontestrond]

Ok but you lost every game he started.

 

[RUDead]

Agree with dontestrond but would like to see a combo of gio and lewis going forward. Bolin can't run or pass well enough to overcome our offensive woes. At least these two give us a chance.

 

[Knight Shift]

Ok but you lost every game he started.

That's fine, but to throw Gio under the bus when the OL and the offense was a crap show does not make sense.
Against Indiana, he was 19/36 for 1 TD passing, and 1 TD running on an injured hamstring.
MSU was a crap fest. Their defense totally annihilated our OL. PSU was worse- 87 total yard of offense. Tom Brady would not have done much better.
Against Maryland he was 22/39 for 203 yards. Offense moved the ball, but did not put it in the end zone enough.

IMO, the jury is out on Gio. The point is, what is the harm of putting him in for a half and seeing how it goes?

 

[Badgerc]

The O line got ***** slapped like Bob Barker did to Happy Gilmore.