Big 10 West...
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Way to cherry pick stats. Thread is about B1G WEST. Also, not sure where you got your numbers, but here they are according to the NCAA...
B1G West Scoring Defense
8. Iowa
20. Wisconsin
26. Nebraska
T59. Minnesota
71. Northwestern
86. Illinois
98. Purdue
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This is why I was and have been on the 9 wins as a floor campaign.
The west is horrible and the teams in the west pretty much have no desire to actually be great in FB, they have a desire to basically make a bowl game every other year and roll around in TV money.
They recruit like MAC teams, they have lame attendance and a lot of the schools are used as bait for real schools and now as farm teams.
In your lifetime have you ever seen Minny or PU or Illinois or NW or Wisconsin or Iowa actually be "good"
I don't mean having that "magical" 10 win season, because most of the wins came vs other West teams and then Indiana, MD and Rutgers, but I mean actually good. Where they were 9-0 and going on the road to play a west team and the line was NOT something like -6.
The west is horrible and the teams in the west pretty much have no desire to actually be great in FB, they have a desire to basically make a bowl game every other year and roll around in TV money.
They recruit like MAC teams, they have lame attendance and a lot of the schools are used as bait for real schools and now as farm teams.
In your lifetime have you ever seen Minny or PU or Illinois or NW or Wisconsin or Iowa actually be "good"
I don't mean having that "magical" 10 win season, because most of the wins came vs other West teams and then Indiana, MD and Rutgers, but I mean actually good. Where they were 9-0 and going on the road to play a west team and the line was NOT something like -6.
They could have been doing that all season. No reason to not put speed on the field and take a few shots a game when you suck as bad as we do. What can it possibly hurt?
In the last 10 years, B1G west has produced 4 QBs who were drafted
Highest went in the 4th round
2 were 7th rounders from northwestern and the 4th was Tanner Lee who many believe was the worst QB in Nebraska history
Least talented division in cfb
Our game plan plays into low scoring games. Going slow on offense and playing field position. I like it. It’s not sexy but it wins games especially in the west. I know everyone likes fast paced excitement but you can control more by slowing it down. It’s harder to disturb our rhythm when our rhythm is slow. Defenses and officials can’t make us speed it up. But they can sure slow us down.
And At least we won’t see BS “injuries” on the other teams defense this year. Was it Indiana who had the same kid get “hurt” on the field against us like 7 times?
And At least we won’t see BS “injuries” on the other teams defense this year. Was it Indiana who had the same kid get “hurt” on the field against us like 7 times?
Wouldn't it kind of make sense that if you have so many teams with bad offenses in a conference that the better teams would be leading in defense?
Wisconsin until just recently has been very good. Lots of NFL players. The best defensive player in the NFL is from Wisconsin. If not the best, the most talented RB in the NFL is from Wisconsin.
We'll be better than Wisconsin when they play one of the better teams in the east.
Do you think we beat Wisco in Madison? I don’t, we probably get beat by double digits, hope I’m wrong
Good, we need wins this year. It really shows how embarrassing the last decade has been that we have struggled against the Big Ten West. The fact that we have 6 straight losing seasons against this joke of a division does not reflect well on us.
Ehhh, they had two seasons with only 1 loss over the last 25 years or so, the rest were all pretty much 3 losses on average. Bo did that and we hated it.
In fact over the last 20 years, they have averaged 3.5 losses per season.
Noting that the B1G West is less than impressive is not exactly breaking news.
That’s why the past 8 years have been so damn frustrating. Nebraska just needed to be an average team in order to have success. The division has been there for the taking multiple times, but still NU floundered. If Nebraska could manage to win even a weak division this year, it is still clear and tangible progress.
At the risk of getting ahead, now that we have a coach in place that has an idea how to win, the weak division is going away. The planets are going to have to line up in a remarkable way in order for NU to play for the league title.
That’s why the past 8 years have been so damn frustrating. Nebraska just needed to be an average team in order to have success. The division has been there for the taking multiple times, but still NU floundered. If Nebraska could manage to win even a weak division this year, it is still clear and tangible progress.
At the risk of getting ahead, now that we have a coach in place that has an idea how to win, the weak division is going away. The planets are going to have to line up in a remarkable way in order for NU to play for the league title.
I was referring to the scoring defense stats. I don't know if we can beat them or not.
A couple of reasons. Rhule wasn't going to throw players out there that didn't know the offense. He has stated as much. Putting in fast WR on a couple of plays per game wouldn't be a surprise at all. It would be like lining Derrick Henry up in the wildcat, everyone know he is getting the ball the only difference is Nebraska QBs needs a tail wind to get the ball downfield enough to take advantage
Secondly, if Nebraska throws out two freshman WR at the start of the season, all the know it alls in this fan base would be screaming that Rhule isn't trying to win, he is playing for the future. That he is tanking to get "his players" experience and all the other BS that comes along with playing players that aren't ready to play. With the Big Ten West down, more would be screaming that this division is winnable if he would have just tried to win.
People talk about how bad the west is but they usually do well in bowl games. Smart football. Win the game. Don’t beat yourself. Play D. Be ok with winning it late in the 4th. Don’t play in front of yourself. Good coaching
I think we may be would have won a lot of games the last few years in most other conferences.
I think we may be would have won a lot of games the last few years in most other conferences.
I agree. We would have looked pretty good in the AAC, Mountain West, CUSA, MAC or Sun Belt
Except Coleman has been on the field over the last 4 or 5 games. Most Nebraska fans just want the best athletes to play....I really don't care if it is a freshman or a senior. The bottom line is that those types of plays take very little knowledge of the offense and can sting a defense and change the momentum of the game in a heartbeat.
Should be run multiple times a game. Not just the play action but the quick 3 step fades. The concept of "complex offense" is the only kind of successful offense has been debunked over and over. If it's to difficult for your best athletes to learn and run...Then stop making it so difficult. It's always about Jimmies and Joes. We've done a ****** job of recognizing that over the last 20 years.
Last win over an out-of-conference Power 5 opponent was 7 years ago. And counting.
The cradle of Quarterbacks does reside in the big ten west though. Tanner Lee was a 6th round pick. Not 4th.
I don't think "most" Nebraska fans just want the best athletes to play. If that were the case, we'd start players from the basketball and track teams. We want the best PLAYERS to play, and I don't think Rhule disagrees. Coleman was not one of the best WRs at the start of the season because of inexperience and the fact that he's only 18 years old. Now with the players hurt and more experience for him, he is. Pretty simple.
TO didn't start Frazier until like game 7 of his freshman year. LP and Gill didn't get a start until they were sophomores. Rimmington not until his 3rd year. Coleman is a great athlete and he could become one of the best WRs in the country, but he's not Marvin Harrison from last year, at least not yet.
semantics on the players/athletes comment. You know what I mean. Coleman is not on the 90's Huskers squads. He was sitting behind marginal players who were not producing, that's different then LP sitting behind Benning and Childs. And QB and a WR two vastly different knowledge bases. Again not comparable.
Coleman and any one else who can make plays should have been playing early in a hand full of packages. I've coached for a long time. You don't sit talent because they haven't mastered the playbook. Coach em up, tailer your game plan, design elements within your base packages to get the ball to guys who can make plays, find mismatches. Pretty simple!
Although I largely agree with you, there is an unknown element here. Could have to do with instilling a culture or sending a message within the program. We don't know what kinds of behind-the-scenes stuff has gone on that may lead to these types of things. Don't know that is or isn't the case, but you have to admit that's a possibility.
I’m going with its great we have the fast kids and the fact they have to play now when they are prepared to do so is the best outcome given the circumstances. Those kids are fast enough that a missed tackle in space could mean 6.
I don't have a problem with how the young wide receivers were handled. I think all or most of them had minor injuries during fall camp and all had certain plays designed to get them or try and get them the ball. For instance Lloyd's carry in the first game.
Coleman was highly ranked based on potential not production IMO. Probably hundreds of receivers across the country with better receiving stats who were more polished coming into college. We also have to remember Lloyd probably wouldn't have even been here if not for Rhule. Frost didn't seem to find him worthy of a scholarship.
