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Will Healy is also in the mix for Mizzou. I don’t think this will be the year he can make a jump. Probably another year or two but he is a rising up the boards very quickly. Has drawn similarities to PJ Fleck in energy and program building.
 

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Has drawn similarities to PJ Fleck in energy and program building.
Jesus Christ. By whom?

PJ Fleck took Western Michigan to the Cotton Bowl in his 4th year. Healy has coached in FBS for one year, and his team barely improved from 2018.
 
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No way Ark is a better job than OM. Roster, recruiting footprint, culture (as in actually playing hard).

Arkansas has Tyson chicken/ Wal Mart/ Jerry Jones money. They’re the only show in the state, and have a pretty decent football history. Yes, Arkansas is a dumpster fire at the moment, but that doesn’t mean it’s not a better job than ole miss. Ole Miss, like MSU, is a really hard job. Both jobs are brutal.
 

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Arkansas has Tyson chicken/ Wal Mart/ Jerry Jones money. They’re the only show in the state, and have a pretty decent football history. Yes, Arkansas is a dumpster fire at the moment, but that doesn’t mean it’s not a better job than ole miss. Ole Miss, like MSU, is a really hard job. Both jobs are brutal.
The last two coaches that were hired by Arkansas were considered good coaches at the time and left as punchlines. I think which is the better job depends on the candidate because it's completely subjective.
 

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Jesus Christ. By whom?

PJ Fleck went took Western Michigan to the Cotton Bowl in his 4th year. Healy has coached in FBS for one year, and his team barely improved from 2018.

Good lord. Reading comprehension failure. No where did I say he ACCOMPLISHED what Fleck did. Where did you get that? I said he has similarities in ENERGY and program building. He is somewhat in that mould and schools are looking for coaches with similar qualities. It’s freaking obvious he has not accomplished the same nor did I say that.

Healy had Charlotte much improved over their history and did a lot of building at Austin Peay. The reason why he got plucked from FCS to FBS at his age. He’s not ready, I agree but it’s pretty obvious his is getting fast tracked, if he continues on this trajectory
 
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im just saying the whole concept of keeping the circle small is a great idea and that is how it was described by parrish alford. now, if they get chirpy, that doesnt deserve credit, but to contrast it with our administration, we let everyone in the world know we were going hard after Jim Schlossnagle over what seemed like a week or two if not longer. TCU cant ignore the smoke and boom, contract extension and raise, and we now have to move on to plan B, then C, and so on. the timing of that was odd as well. we should have kept quiet and done it like a thief in the night when we were 100% ready to pull the trigger. maybe our fan sites were more responsible for the smoke, but it cost us in that hire. it appeared botched, but i obviously dont have the entire picture of what went down, but thats how it looked.
 

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Good lord. Reading comprehension failure. No where did I say he ACCOMPLISHED what Fleck did. Where did you get that? I said he has similarities in ENERGY and program building.

Silly me, I thought the term "program building" meant building a program.

I'm sure there's a local high school coach that has even more energy than Fleck so I could really give a **** about that.

Healy had Charlotte much improved over their history

That's a stretch. They barely improved over the prior year.

Will Healy would be a freaking lottery ticket of a hire for an SEC school.
 
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No way Ark is a better job than OM. Roster, recruiting footprint, culture (as in actually playing hard).

Arkansas is a better job than OM or State. They have less talent in state but do not have to share it with anyone so that is a wash. They are extremely close to Texas and Louisiana which is where the some of the best players in HS play anywhere. Culture can be changed in one offseason. They have a lot more money than either of our schools will ever have. This is not even close.
 

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Silly me, I thought the term "program building" meant building a program.

I'm sure there's a local high school coach that has even more energy than Fleck so I could really give a **** about that.



That's a stretch. They barely improved over the prior year.

Will Healy would be a freaking lottery ticket of a hire for an SEC school.

Well he built the program at Austin Peay. Program building applies. You can try to down play Charlotte job this year all you want but it’s their first winning season, first conference winning season, and they have never being higher than 10th in scoring in the conference ranks and was 3rd in his first year. It was a noticeable improvement from the past 4 year’s. His name is on Mizzou’s board as well for a reason. I don’t think he is ready either but another year or two or a school missing on guys this year make take the gamble. Who knows how he would do but he has a lot of buzz and AD’s are already paying attention to his job performance. No matter what you think or try to argue.
 

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Well he built the program at Austin Peay. Program building applies. You can try to down play Charlotte job this year all you want but it’s their first winning season, first conference winning season, and they have never being higher than 10th in scoring in the conference ranks and was 3rd in his first year. It was a noticeable improvement from the past 4 year’s. His name is on Mizzou’s board as well for a reason. I don’t think he is ready either but another year or two or a school missing on guys this year make take the gamble. Who knows how he would do but he has a lot of buzz and AD’s are already paying attention to his job performance. No matter what you think or try to argue.
He had a losing record in his third and final year at Austin Peay. You're acting like he built the next Appalachian State.

I don't have to downplay how he did at Charlotte this year. They barely improved from 2018. That's a fact. No downplaying required. Not saying he did bad job (any improvement is better than none), but it wasn't noteworthy either.

All him being brought up in multiple jobs means is either 1) There are multiple schools that are desperate enough for a lottery ticket or 2) He has a good agent. It sure as **** doesn't mean he is in any meaningful way comparable to PJ Fleck.
 

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The last two coaches that were hired by Arkansas were considered good coaches at the time and left as punchlines. I think which is the better job depends on the candidate because it's completely subjective.

I'd argue the last 4 coaches left as punch lines. 6 if you throw in a couple of interim coaches.
 

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He had a losing record in his third and final year at Austin Peay. You're acting like he built the next Appalachian State.

I don't have to downplay how he did at Charlotte this year. They barely improved from 2018. That's a fact. No downplaying required. Not saying he did bad job (any improvement is better than none), but it wasn't noteworthy either.

All him being brought up in multiple jobs means is either 1) There are multiple schools that are desperate enough for a lottery ticket or 2) He has a good agent. It sure as **** doesn't mean he is in any meaningful way comparable to PJ Fleck.

Watch Charlotte the last few year’s. It was a marked improvement. And again, pundits, coaches, people in the field are labeling him as having similar qualities and energy as PJ Fleck. He has also seen some comparison to Dabo as well. Not that they are the same or accomplished close to the same but similarities in personality, energy, how he builds a program, etc. Read up on that

Austin Peay, you have no clue what you are discussing with that job. 2, 3, 2, 0, 1, 0 wins the years prior to him arriving when they started in 2010. He went 0 wins his first year building that program and raised recruiting all the way to top 5 in all of FCS and #1 the next year and won 8 games his second season (8-1 in FCS games) and won OVC and national coach of the year honors. He had a step back his 3rd but he had recruited the players for Hud this year’s run. But his job at building that program so fast was considered so good from where they were prior to him coming to AP, he landed an FBS job after just 3 year’s at AP.

So you have no clue what you are discussing and considering that P5 schools are already putting him on their list of candidates after the job he did at AP and just one year of improvement for Charlotte (actually making a bowl game in FBS for first time). I am a lot closer to where the industry feels he is and is going than you are.

It doesn’t matter though, you are just arguing to argue. Take it up how much he sucks with Mizzou and UM. They need to check with you because everyone else is wrong with his work.
 

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No way Ark is a better job than OM. Roster, recruiting footprint, culture (as in actually playing hard).
This is easy to compare, because since 1992 they've both played each other, while playing relatively the same type schedule. Arkansas leads the series 16-10 in that timeframe. Another milestone is when the conferences realigned again in 2012, and the series is tied 4-4 since then. I'd say historically Arkansas is better but the gap may be closing. Still no way you can say Ole Miss is best. They both have pre-integration national titles (actually Arkansas' may have been slightly after, I can't remember). Either way, still ancient history.

Just for fun, Arkansas leads us 16-9-1 since 1992. We're 7-1 against them since 2012.

While I wouldn't say we are the best job of all of them, at worst, I'd say we made up the most ground recently.
 

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Arkansas is a better job than OM or State. They have less talent in state but do not have to share it with anyone so that is a wash. They are extremely close to Texas and Louisiana which is where the some of the best players in HS play anywhere. Culture can be changed in one offseason. They have a lot more money than either of our schools will ever have. This is not even close.
Yes it is close. They may technically be better but it is certainly close. History bears this out.
 

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The last two coaches that were hired by Arkansas were considered good coaches at the time and left as punchlines. I think which is the better job depends on the candidate because it's completely subjective.

Who considered Morris a good coach? He was 14-22 at SMU. I think most fans were pretty disappointed when he was announced.

Bielema ultimately didn't work out but he was very close to working. Had some good moments like shutting out LSU 17-0, beating Texas 31-6, beating Ole Miss 30-0, and even almost beat Alabama but lost 14-13 on a missed extra point and lost a fumble out of the endzone on the 1 yard line. He had some bad luck and it all fell apart toward the end but it wasn't all bad.

In the last 10 years (except in years when Freeze was cheating which inflated their recruiting ranking) Ole Miss has recruited on average as the 29th best class. Arkansas in those same years has averaged to the 31st best class. Their recruiting is basically a wash except for the Freeze years.
 

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Who considered Morris a good coach? He was 14-22 at SMU. I think most fans were pretty disappointed when he was announced.

Bielema ultimately didn't work out but he was very close to working. Had some good moments like shutting out LSU 17-0, beating Texas 31-6, beating Ole Miss 30-0, and even almost beat Alabama but lost 14-13 on a missed extra point and lost a fumble out of the endzone on the 1 yard line. He had some bad luck and it all fell apart toward the end but it wasn't all bad.

In the last 10 years (except in years when Freeze was cheating which inflated their recruiting ranking) Ole Miss has recruited on average as the 29th best class. Arkansas in those same years has averaged to the 31st best class. Their recruiting is basically a wash except for the Freeze years.
"If you remove their best-ever recruiting classes, we're almost as good."
 
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Not sure how I would feel about Kiffin to Ole Miss... On one hand I think he would actually have success. He would dominate recruiting skill position players in MS, which is something we desperately need to improve at. He kind of fits what they like to do offensively.

On the other hand, I could see it flaming out and ending kind of similar to Freeze. I’d love to see Kiffin in the SEC though- maybe just not at Ole Miss.
 
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Yes it is close. They may technically be better but it is certainly close. History bears this out.

Let me know when we or Ole Miss can lure a sitting P5 head coach that just went to the Rose Bowl or a sitting NFL coach. The only people it is close to are people that are in this state. If Arkansas offers a coach they will get that coach over our programs every time unless there is a tie to the program for said coach.
 
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Fayetteville is not extremely close to Texas or Louisiana unless we get to claim to be extremely close to Georgia and Louisiana.

Dan Mullen recruited within a 5 hour radius of MSU. That was his philosophy. I’m not sure why you would not consider that within their recruiting footprint. They have always recruited both states hard.
 

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"If you remove their best-ever recruiting classes, we're almost as good."

The point is that those recruiting classes wouldn't have been that good if they didn't break the rules to get them. I mean Arkansas would have higher classes too if they did that lol. Trying to compare apples to apples.