You don't think that, maybe, there might be a bunch more people interested in season tickets for baseball -- that didn't want to throw $500 immediately at something that was still 4 years away from reality? The deal was $500 at concept, $500 at ground breaking, $500 at completion. Plus the cost of tickets. A lot of people that would certainly be interested in tickets now could have easily found it very hard to commit to it 4 years out without knowing where they would be at that point. These are the same people that were alienated in the old Dudy Noble. The 20-35 alumni crowd that have not put down firm roots. Then, you alienate the ones of them that are trying to put down firm roots and get involved -- by not giving them an option to buy in after day 0 -- and by not implementing a playground area for their young kids.
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You don't think that, maybe, there might be a bunch more people interested in season tickets for baseball -- that didn't want to throw $500 immediately at something that was still 4 years away from reality? The deal was $500 at concept, $500 at ground breaking, $500 at completion. Plus the cost of tickets. A lot of people that would certainly be interested in tickets now could have easily found it very hard to commit to it 4 years out without knowing where they would be at that point. These are the same people that were alienated in the old Dudy Noble. The 20-35 alumni crowd that have not put down firm roots. Then, you alienate the ones of them that are trying to put down firm roots and get involved -- by not giving them an option to buy in after day 0 -- and by not implementing a playground area for their young kids.
Should have let any of thousands of us that have had their finger on the pulse of this situation, arguably better for longer than the university has, do the math for them on that, then, because it seems pretty obvious to everyone with a pulse that building a brand new grandstand with only 600 more seats in it than were already selling out for the last 30 years was a gross miscalculation.
The deal that made them decide to do that was "not wanting it to look empty on TV for most of the season". Cohen brings that up in every interview and it's obviously a huge piece of his motivation on this thing. And I'm fine with that. But you've got to get creative in always growing the fanbase. We haven't even tried to do that in the last 25 years. Eventually this fanbase is going to die off and there will be nothing there to replace it. While OM is consistently building a monster simply via inclusion with a huge emphasis on the kids. Running the bases, huge playground right by the foul pole in left, etc...
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The kids part is legitimate. Casual weekend visitor with a grill? How many of those do we have a year? 5? And isn't RFL a free for all?
Are the berms there for the casual weekender?
Weren't you the guy who complained about the terrible views from the bleachers?
At some point the AD had to address the point that we had a stadium that was 80% empty for 80% of the games, and was packed well beyond capacity for 20% of the games. Like it or not, it doesn't seem that the double-headers are coming back, so we can't count on those for huge crowds on Saturdays.
And let's face it, there's nothing comfortable about a stadium on SBW and regionals unless you have a chairback, so bleachers/berms/SRO, none of that matters. It's packed. It is what it is. At least more people will be able to see the game now.
Not many since it's been legislated out. And there was nowhere to do it in the first place. If you offered people an area to do it -- there would be a bunch. It's the same difference between setting up your own tailgate(bringing in your grill and setup for baseball game) vs paying Southern Traditions thousands to set one up for you(being bought into the LFL). Imagine if the school quit allowing you to setup your own tailgate. It would certainly help Southern Traditions. But there would be thousands of people that would like to do it that would just stay home at that point. It's the same deal in the baseball stadium.
Berms are good. I think you know I spent years pushing for tiers and they gave me a little bit of one. The rest of it will follow suit in time. I think they need to revisit the cooler size restriction because following the exact letter of that law prettymuch no popular brand will work. Now in my experience last year, they turned the other cheek as long as you were fairly close.
Weren't you the guy that didn't want to do anything with the stadium initially when I first started beating this drum? I know you were -- I just don't remember which of your usernames it was under. But, yes, it does seem I've known what needed to happen at Dudy Noble since being one of the first to push for a demolition. Although nothing I proposed messed with the lounges nearly as much as they did. I just wanted to limit height and come up with something inclusive behind them where you could both see the game and create the lounge experience on a game to game basis.
The screw up was in implementation on the admin's part. The lifetime tickets were a huge issue, but would be a much smaller one if you allow walk-up people to sit in the grandstand without Usher Nazis enforcing ridiculous rules that shouldn't exist.
I was pretty comfortable at the Arky game in right when we got there from the spring game late. Standing. But drinking and able to see the game. Definitely a hugeeeee improvement in that area IMO. The ability to just see the game, even in a huge crowd, can't be overstated. Monumental improvement in this regard.
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One flaw in your reasoning is that 2 more seats could have been added if season tickets were ordered in 2015. The original plans were reduced in scale prior to construction with one of factors being the number of commitments for seats in the new stadium.
I've got news for Cohen. Most of our games aren't on TV. And for a lot of the ones that are, it's still going to look empty on TV. That's just the nature of baseball. Not many fans are going to go in February and March. And even in April and May, there will be some empty seats for most games.
Exactly. I don't expect them to be able to accommodate everyone who walks up with a chair back. However, it is baffling that those in charge thought including ZERO general admission chair backs was a good idea.
Hopefully, this new chair back thing they are trying this season will be successful.
I’m not disagreeing that it could have been a little larger.
I’m disagreeing that To the thought that we shouldn’t generate as much revenue as possible regardless if it hurts the Trojan dawgs of the world.
The idea would be to do both of course for maximizing revenue.
But I THINK as has been stated, we could always add seats the demand stays high or rises.
I’m disagreeing that To the thought that we shouldn’t generate as much revenue as possible regardless if it hurts the Trojan dawgs of the world.
The idea would be to do both of course for maximizing revenue.
But I THINK as has been stated, we could always add seats the demand stays high or rises.
You obviously haven’t been paying attention to anything I’ve been saying. That or you are just to stupid to figure it out. I’m saying they should have not only expanded season tickets but kept the same amount of seating the old park had for general admission.
You seem to have this idea in your head that I only attend a few games per year. That I’m asking you to appease me for a couple of games. Nowhere have I said I only come for a couple of Games.
You seem to keep missing the point. Cheaper seats were not added back to the stadium that a person that didn’t want to buy a multi thousand dollar timeshare to the stadium. If there might have been a cheaper option like we have for football. I probably would have bought season tickets. Especially if it wasn’t some 10 year investment.
You completed whiffed on this one and missed the point.if you haven’t gotten it by now you won’t.
You seem to think all of us that sit in GA are just folks that never show up for games. That is a terrible miscalculation. And it’s prerty obvious you don’t give two ***** about anyone that sits in GA and their opinion. They are less a fan than you because they didn’t buy a multi year multi thousand timeshare in the stadium. You obviously also don’t care for the state fan that loves ms baseball that wants to come up for a game but may not get to come for whatever the reason all the time for games. You mentioned you sit in the lounge? So much for the “friendly” atmosphere and reputation of the lounge to all baseball fans.
That's been the mentality of a lot of MSU baseball fans for years. The ones who have had season grandstand tickets or LFL spots have wanted to treat MSU baseball like their exclusive club and keep the outsiders out, or at least limit their access. That's been alleviated somewhat with the new stadium, but not completely.
I'm sure it's possible to expand the stadium if the demand becomes an issue. I would assume Cohen has thought about this. It would take the berms away, but at least it's possible.
Yeah that's not true. The amount of people who have now ante'd up show that a ton of people just want to be a part of MSU baseball, and are willing to put their money where their mouth is.
You aren't willing to do that. You are certainly willing to complain though. There's only so much room out there. It's cheaper to add berms and SRO than chairbacks for you cheapskates. Deal with it.
That was my point. In 2015, I was 50/50 on buying in, but was scared off by the 10 year license. The university never stated that they were sizing the stadium based on 10 year commitments, and that there would not be any non-priority options. No big deal, I will just come on some low-demand weekend and find a seat,, or check the MSU site on Tuesday.
This seems like a horrendous mistake to me. We always need to be replacing old fans with new. And baseball seems like the only sport where you can easily accommodate kids with a playground. Put a playground area where parents can see the playground area and see the field. Seems like if Minor league teams can accommodate this we should be able to. If there's not a good place to do it now, another option might be to set up some bouncy house type attractions in right field for some low demand games and pitch it towards young families.
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Baseball Seasting
There is a playground for kids. also you have the berms for families. the Kids get to run around the bases after games, this has been happening for years. So there are places for the kids. they have Bully’s Club for Kids as part of the Bulldog club, they send stuff to kids on birthdays and other times of the year.
There is a playground for kids. also you have the berms for families. the Kids get to run around the bases after games, this has been happening for years. So there are places for the kids. they have Bully’s Club for Kids as part of the Bulldog club, they send stuff to kids on birthdays and other times of the year.
This has been interesting reading. I've been lurking on this site for around a year now just to keep up with current events on MSU sports. I was reading this post to find out my options on seeing a game at the new stadium. I'm one of the casual fans that may see a couple of games one year and the next year or two not see any. I live too far away to be a regular and my kids have all graduated so I have no reason to go back to campus on a regular basis. I used stubhub for football tickets when I had a kid in school. I tried stubhub for baseball in the past and the few tickets available were crazy expensive. I not a fan who only wants to see the team when they are playing well either. It's more of a when it's convenient thing. It was disheartening to learn that there would be no general admission seats available for people like me. In the past I always bought bleacher seats and if we felt like it would move to an unoccupied chairback seat later but mostly stayed put. So I guess from what I'm reading, my days of going to Dudy Noble are over. My old body can't tolerate 5 innings standing or sitting on the cold wet ground before the chairbacks open up. But that's the breaks, I'm not crying, just thought I owed a small introduction before making my first post.
This is the statement that caused me to make my first post.
This is absolutely crazy thinking. If it was this bad with a smaller stadium/bleachers, it will only look worse with a bigger stadium. And with the new policy you are guaranteed for it to look this way for at least half a game if not longer. Also, it's ridiculous not to have seating for students. The games that I have been to, the fans were comprised mostly of students. If students don't have seats the stadium will definitely look bare.
Again, I'm not crying. I realize that current thinking in all sports is all about the money. But it's saddening to think back to the days before chasing the dollar became the most important thing. And it's interesting to think how the stadium will appear after the new wears off and the season ticket holders start to stay home.
This is the statement that caused me to make my first post.
This is absolutely crazy thinking. If it was this bad with a smaller stadium/bleachers, it will only look worse with a bigger stadium. And with the new policy you are guaranteed for it to look this way for at least half a game if not longer. Also, it's ridiculous not to have seating for students. The games that I have been to, the fans were comprised mostly of students. If students don't have seats the stadium will definitely look bare.
Again, I'm not crying. I realize that current thinking in all sports is all about the money. But it's saddening to think back to the days before chasing the dollar became the most important thing. And it's interesting to think how the stadium will appear after the new wears off and the season ticket holders start to stay home.
The flaw in your reasoning and the athletic dept's reasoning is the assumption that everyone who would purchase tickets in 2019 would be willing to put down a deposit in 2015. Hell, I'm sure there are some number of people who weren't even MSU fans in 2015 who would like to be able to buy a ticket.
Precisely. If this is the nightmare that some are suggesting it may be then there’s no reason we can’t add more chairbacks in 5-10 years. I believe they built the park in the current layout with the idea that there would be room for future expansion of needed. Had we just put chairbacks from foul pole to foul pole then that limits what we could add on in the future.
The fact of the matter is that as wonderful as our new stadium is, 10 years from now it won’t be new anymore and we will be looking for ways to improve it. That’s inevitable with any facility. Expanded chairback seating could be one of those ways if demand calls for it.
I’m not making any assumptions abt how much you show up or not.
I’m saying as a fact it’s the ADs job to maximize revenue.
Selling the most season tickets possible is the best way to maximize revenue.
Obviously building a stadium that meets demand is part of that which they MAY have missed out on, but we don’t know they for sure YET.
One year of selling out tickets doesn’t give a true pay back period or ROI.
I’m saying as a fact it’s the ADs job to maximize revenue.
Selling the most season tickets possible is the best way to maximize revenue.
Obviously building a stadium that meets demand is part of that which they MAY have missed out on, but we don’t know they for sure YET.
One year of selling out tickets doesn’t give a true pay back period or ROI.
I think there were some season tickets that were sold without 10-year commitments.
Well let me let you in on a secret.
I became a season ticket holder in baseball in 2014. There were options to get them then. I took advantage.
I have never been an owner of a LFL lounge. I am a member of a LFL that isn’t guaranteed to me each year. I’ve been apart of that since 2012 I think. Maybe 2011.
If I lose that opportunity, so be it. I’m not gonna ***** and whine abt it. But what I do try to do is to show up and do my part. Bring food or extra money or extra beer or help out when work is needed or pick up trash or run errands.
I guess it just boils down to this. I’m the type of person who looks in the mirror when problems or issues arise in my life. I don’t start looking for who to blame.
What type of person are you?
I became a season ticket holder in baseball in 2014. There were options to get them then. I took advantage.
I have never been an owner of a LFL lounge. I am a member of a LFL that isn’t guaranteed to me each year. I’ve been apart of that since 2012 I think. Maybe 2011.
If I lose that opportunity, so be it. I’m not gonna ***** and whine abt it. But what I do try to do is to show up and do my part. Bring food or extra money or extra beer or help out when work is needed or pick up trash or run errands.
I guess it just boils down to this. I’m the type of person who looks in the mirror when problems or issues arise in my life. I don’t start looking for who to blame.
What type of person are you?
I’m pretty sure I didn’t make a 10 year commitment. Actually this is the first I’ve heard of it.
Which if they built it they way they should have and the way I think they did, they went SOMEWHAT conservative with room to grow.
Which is like the best business model ever.
Not too fast. Not too slow.
Which is like the best business model ever.
Not too fast. Not too slow.