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RocketDawg

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Did she get the very one in that link, or one of the others? Why was one needed for football? Did we ever have an SRO game? Or is it the walking cane feature that she found most useful. Just asking because it looks like I could use one of those.
 

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Ticket order forms were sent to all Bulldog Club members in 2015 and those commitments helped dictate the size of the new stadium. There were grandstand season tickets available up until the last year.

There are options to expand seating in the New Dude when needed but, as has been stated before, we're not even sure there is a real issue with people not being able to find reserved seating yet. Let's give the new stadium a few games or an entire season before jumping to any conclusions.
 

Trojanbulldog19

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No. You are wrong.

First of all, our fanbase was slack when we first started selling season tickets. They sized the stadium a little bigger than what was sold, then we had a rash of new sales after that. Even still, you CANNOT build stadiums based on SIGNIFICANT fake or assumed demand. They added a reasonable amount, then sold them too. So if you want to blame anyone, blame the fair weather folks who jacked up the numbers when they saw how awesome the stadium was going to be (in addition to the team beginning to win).

One bad season comes along, and all you GA lovers are going to disappear (except for SBW of course).

Then you say you didn't have a chance to purchase season tickets without depriving someone else. That's a flat out lie.

no he isn't wrong, there have been several games over the years that i've called and there were no grandstand seat available. I'm not talking about just SBW.

You seem to be under the impression that GA fans are fair weather and don't show up but to SBW. That's a lie and load of BS. Based on all my years going to MSU baseball games. there were always a ton of GA fans at the games comparable to the season ticket holders. Up until the new stadium, I never had a reason to buy season tickets. I could watch every game i wanted in the bleachers, and it's more than just a few like you think. You seem to think season ticket holders are the only ones that give a damn about the baseball team. I can't count the number of games i've watch from those bleachers. All through polk 2.0 and john cohen's first years when they were awful. you seem to forget that baseball is a grassroots sport. our heritage is rooted in it going back to backing trucks up to get to watch the game with a seat. now it's all about the money.
 

GhostOfJackie

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Just give up. It's no use with this guy. Same ****, different day, different name. He will never go away not matter how long we wish it.

Might as well just move on with your day.
 

GTAT

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They obviously didn't add a realistic amount.
Did you even read my previous post outlining how they came to the amount? Apparently not.

You also have not listed other stadiums with GA chairback seating.

I doubt you will.

Agenda on, Mr. Cohen Hater.
 

CoolDawg

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Ticket order forms were sent to all Bulldog Club members in 2015 and those commitments helped dictate the size of the new stadium. There were grandstand season tickets available up until the last year.

There are options to expand seating in the New Dude when needed but, as has been stated before, we're not even sure there is a real issue with people not being able to find reserved seating yet. Let's give the new stadium a few games or an entire season before jumping to any conclusions.

BINGO! What he said is absolutely correct. Anyone that wanted to pay for the right to purchase tickets in the grandstand could have done so and chose not to. Those of us that did so had to shell out a good bit of money to purchase the right to buy season tickets for ten years. How many people would have done so if they thought the university was going to set aside a large number of seats in the grandstand for those that didn't want to pay the money to reserve the right to buy tickets? Under those circumstances, anyone that did so would have been stupid.

In extreme cold or hot weather, I would love to be able to sit in one of the luxury boxes during football games. However, I am not complaining because MSU did not set aside space in those boxes for those of us that might want to show up the day of the game and purchase a ticket to sit in one.
 

GTAT

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no he isn't wrong, there have been several games over the years that i've called and there were no grandstand seat available. I'm not talking about just SBW.

You seem to be under the impression that GA fans are fair weather and don't show up but to SBW. That's a lie and load of BS. Based on all my years going to MSU baseball games. there were always a ton of GA fans at the games comparable to the season ticket holders. Up until the new stadium, I never had a reason to buy season tickets. I could watch every game i wanted in the bleachers, and it's more than just a few like you think. You seem to think season ticket holders are the only ones that give a damn about the baseball team. I can't count the number of games i've watch from those bleachers. All through polk 2.0 and john cohen's first years when they were awful. you seem to forget that baseball is a grassroots sport. our heritage is rooted in it going back to backing trucks up to get to watch the game with a seat. now it's all about the money.
If you can find a way to fix the problem of season ticket holders not showing up to games, then I'm sure John Cohen would love to hire you. I think we'd all like to know the answer to that. Much have a bunch of rich ticket holders.

I'm a previous season ticket holder who let them go a few years ago because I couldn't make it anymore. So I know all about being a GA attendee when I do come over.

I am betting that the increased cost of the ticket entices the people to actually come out, or sell the tickets to someone who will. When they were all lifetime, people got them dirt cheap so I can see why the crowds sometime suffered.

Either way I still stand by the fact that you can't build expensive chairbacks for GA seating. That's why they don't exist at any college stadium. The grassroots aspect is still alive and well, by the way, due to the plethora of GA options in the new stadium (besides chairbacks).
 

rynodawg

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That’s my situation. I didn’t want to commit to the expensive multi-year license, since I live a couple hours away. But if there was a cheaper year-to-year option, even if way down the base line, I likely would have bought a couple. I had no idea that every seat would completely sell out, three years in advance. My mistake I guess. Stadium looks good, but I think there was some more demand than what was built.

To the guy that keeps asking people to link to stadiums, I would have to spend all day making a thousand links,, because almost every stadium in America, from high school all the way to MLB has the option to buy a physical seat to a single game in advance. It’s be easier to link the handful that don’t.
 

rynodawg

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Only speaking for me, but I assumed the 10 year commitment folks would get all the best seats, closest to home plate, and deservingly so. I was hoping there would be cheaper options down the lines like most ballparks, but that never materialized. Oh well... I’ll still attend occasionally when I can.
 

ababyatemydingo

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If this is true, please explain why you are complaining, you likely aren't even going to go to a game. And if you do, for the 22nd time, YOU CAN GET CHAIRBACKS. I assume a guy like you, who is dealing with a lot of things, will be planning ahead a little bit. Call the ticket office, get you some chairbacks.

Don't throw back this "thanks for the concern" stuff on me, it won't work. It sucks about your wife but you are the one being self-serving in this thread.

Goatholder, I sincerely hope you aren't this big of a 17stick in real life. If so, God help your family.
 

GTAT

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That’s my situation. I didn’t want to commit to the expensive multi-year license, since I live a couple hours away. But if there was a cheaper year-to-year option, even if way down the base line, I likely would have bought a couple. I had no idea that every seat would completely sell out, three years in advance. My mistake I guess. Stadium looks good, but I think there was some more demand than what was built.

To the guy that keeps asking people to link to stadiums, I would have to spend all day making a thousand links,, because almost every stadium in America, from high school all the way to MLB has the option to buy a physical seat to a single game in advance. It’s be easier to link the handful that don’t.
SEC stadiums, specifically, since that's what we compare to. Can't really compare to those programs with 1,500 seat stadiums who don't even charge to get inside.
 

bddawg

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no he isn't wrong, there have been several games over the years that i've called and there were no grandstand seat available. I'm not talking about just SBW.

You seem to be under the impression that GA fans are fair weather and don't show up but to SBW. That's a lie and load of BS. Based on all my years going to MSU baseball games. there were always a ton of GA fans at the games comparable to the season ticket holders. Up until the new stadium, I never had a reason to buy season tickets. I could watch every game i wanted in the bleachers, and it's more than just a few like you think. You seem to think season ticket holders are the only ones that give a damn about the baseball team. I can't count the number of games i've watch from those bleachers. All through polk 2.0 and john cohen's first years when they were awful. you seem to forget that baseball is a grassroots sport. our heritage is rooted in it going back to backing trucks up to get to watch the game with a seat. now it's all about the money.

Uh you are wrong. What he's saying is that everyone could have a bought a grandstand seat. They built the stadium based on sales. Had we sold more in ore sales it would have been bigger. Everyone and I mean everyone had a chance. So if you wanted one and didn't get it, it's your own fault.
 

Trojanbulldog19

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fighting a lost cause to prove a point to some of you.

Your only answer is to spend thousands of dollars three years ago for grandstand seats if I wanted a seat in the stadium for the foreseeable future. Something I’ve never had to do, and don’t want to do right now. Something I shouldn’t have to do. That’s why I’ve said it’s all about the money. They took away the seating many of us used and didn’t replace it with anything but grass and walkway. Gee thanks. Guess I should kiss the ground Cohen walks on for allowing me to even step foot in the new stadium.

Arkansas could afford to put in seats to the foul pole and offer sections that were non priority, but we couldn’t. Most all parks college, Milb,mlb have more seating than what they sell in season tickets. We are one of the few that doesn’t now.
 

paindonthurt_

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So again, I ask the question.

If they had added 1500 more seats and the demand for season ticket sales dictated those be sold as season tickets, what then? Should they have sold them all or kept some for “single game” sales?
 

Trojanbulldog19

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If you have the demand, keep building until to meet your demand. Hell everyone does it for football why not. If you had that demand, you should have kept adding on. It shows very little vision for growth.
 

paindonthurt_

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Of course it’s abt money. 17 the program runs on a deficit.

They should get every last drop of revenue they can.
 

patdog

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BINGO! What he said is absolutely correct. Anyone that wanted to pay for the right to purchase tickets in the grandstand could have done so and chose not to.
Actually, no. There were and are people who would like to buy tickets to the grandstand who can't. If any of them had bought tickets earlier when they were available, they would have just pushed someone who currently has tickets out. We quite simply built the new stadium too small.
 

kphall11

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Only speaking for me, but I assumed the 10 year commitment folks would get all the best seats, closest to home plate, and deservingly so. I was hoping there would be cheaper options down the lines like most ballparks, but that never materialized. Oh well... I’ll still attend occasionally when I can.
All the chairbacks are ten year commitments.
 

weblow

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That’s probably too early when you account for the amount of people that come straight from work out or out of town for night games and then the church going crowd on Sundays. Baseball is very much a late arrival kind of sport for many, I know that I’ve been to quite a few games at The Dude where I’ve missed the first inning or two.
We have been season ticket holders for years and have club level seats in the New Dude. I will say that we live 2 hours away and it is tough for us to pick up the kids from school and get there by the 2nd or 3rd inning most Friday nights and midweek but we make 90% of them. That being said, I would have no problem if someone was in our seats to politely ask them to move once we got there.
 

drummerdawg

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Bump....please list these stadiums.

Sorry for the late reply, just now seeing this. In my experience I've never had to sit on the grass or had to stand or move in a certain inning in any other park I've been too. I dont know what system they have at their places, I just know that I've walked up to the Bama, OM, and A&M stadiums and got chairback seats every time. I dont know how or why, but they've always had those seats available with me just walking up.
 

CoolDawg

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Actually, no. There were and are people who would like to buy tickets to the grandstand who can't. If any of them had bought tickets earlier when they were available, they would have just pushed someone who currently has tickets out. We quite simply built the new stadium too small.

Below is one of many emails that was sent out by the Bulldog Club. There are probably people that now wish they had paid $1, 500.00 to $1,800.00 to reserve the right to purchase tickets in the grandstand, but at the time the offer was available to ANYONE that wanted to do so. I dare say that EVERYONE that attempted to reserve the right to purchase tickets in the new grandstand on or before July 31, 2015, was able to do so. If the demand had exceeded the number of seats being installed in the stadium, they could and would have added additional seats. The plans were not a secret. The stadium designs were available for everyone to see. Therefore, no one should now whine and complain because they may have to stand up somewhere and watch a game.

Having said that, I am sympathetic to those that could not afford to shell out the cash to purchase seats in the new stadium. I know that it wasn't easy for me to come up with the money to purchase mine. I had to make a trade off and not spend the money in other areas where I would liked to have spent it. I would love to have a place in the left field lofts, but there is no way, unless I won the lottery that I would be able to do so. However, I am not upset or complaining that the university made those available to people who could afford them.

Mississippi State Baseball Fans,
The July 31, 2015 PRIORITY DEADLINE to reserve discounted chairback seats in the new Dudy Noble Field has arrived, and we want to make sure that you take advantage of this special opportunity to reserve chairback seats at the current discounted price. Deposits may be made by visiting msubulldogclub.com or by contacting the Bulldog Club office at 662-325-3074.
The Bulldog Club is currently offering chairback seats at a rate of $1,500 per seat. Current season ticket holders who made a one-time Polk-Dement Stadium gift may reserve their chairback seats at a rate of $900 per seat. Both chairback rates may be paid in three equal installments to the Bulldog Club. The first installment is due prior to July 31, 2015, the second deposit will be due when ground is broken on the new facility, and the third deposit is due prior to the season opener in the new Dudy Noble Field.
After today's priority deadline, the rate for chairback seats will be $1,800 per seat for all buyers. After chairback seating obligations are paid in full, seat holders will only be required to purchase season tickets for the first 10 years in the new Dudy Noble Field. Bulldog Club priority points will also be awarded to anyone making a deposit towards seating in the new baseball stadium.
In addition to traditional chairback seating, the new Dudy Noble Field will also feature premium seating options such as The Backstop, Omaha Club & Loge seats, Diamond Suites and the revolutionary Left Field Lofts. Pricing as well as facility renderings may be found by visiting the Bulldog Club’s website. In addition to chairback seats, fans may also reserve premium seating by making seat deposits.

To secure seats to the new Dudy Noble Field, or to obtain additional information regarding the Dudy Noble Field Master Plan, visit msubulldogclub.com, call the Bulldog Club at 662-325-3074 or email the Bulldog Club at [email protected].
 
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Trojanbulldog19

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Cool Dawg

I was spending a lot of time out of state in 2015, about to get married, and had no idea at that time where we would be living the next 14 years because of jobs, so why would I make that type of monetary investment for 10 years? Especially not when I've been able to sit at games all my life in the bleachers in GA. I didn't have to make a 10 year investment for thousands of dollars to be able to actually have a seat when i come to a game. Now if you want a seat at the stadium, you basically have to buy a timeshare.

You mention the renderings were always there. They never did have it marked as season ticket only. Nowhere in there did they mention "if you wanted to be able to sit down in a seat you need to buy season tickets. We are only going to build the stadium seating to match that capacity. There will not be any additional seating for GA included just SRO and the berms for non-season ticket holders." Had they said that they might have had a few more speak up and ask about replacing the berms with something else so that more GA seating could be added. I don't think it would have mattered. It just doesn't appear that much thought was given into those that have attended as general admission over the years and sat in the bleachers several games a year because of the monetary investment it takes obviously to be involved as a season ticket holder for baseball. I know, it's not the money maker to adjust the stadium blueprint so it's an after thought. I guess they thought the walk way would appease everyone. It's nice, but I don't want to have to walk around the stadium the whole game.

Perhaps, they will have enough seats on every week when I do call for the games I attend throughout the whole season. it hasn't always been that way in the past from my experience, but maybe it will be a new year with new ticket holders that might be more willing to sell.
 

paindonthurt_

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You just don’t get it. It’s not abt you. It’s abt the baseball program as a whole. As it should be.

If you just simply say you’re mad bc you didn’t get a spot, I’ll quit replying.
 

patdog

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Are you really this dense? No one is disputing that tickets for the new stadium went on sale before it was built. The only issue is they built the stadium too small for the demand. For example, Person A bought the last 2 tickets to the new stadium. Person B now would like to buy 2 tickets but can't. If Person B had bought 2 tickets back in 2015, Person A would now be left out with no tickets. The stadium is still 2 seats smaller than the demand. Now multiply that by about 500 and that's where we are.
 

CoolDawg

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Trojandog, in all honesty if I was in your situation, I would feel the same way about things as you do. From the reseating of the Hump and Davis Wade, to the baseball stadium, all the powers that be are concerned about is money and making as much of it as they can. I suspect it is that way everywhere now. Athletic officials that are making really big salaries have trouble realizing that everyone doesn't have the financial resources available to them that they do. It concerns me that there is no longer seating available for MSU students at the games. Also troubling that a group of high school buddies that want to attend games no longer have a place to sit. The short term goal of making as much money as possible may do long term damage as far as fan support goes. Also, I have no doubt that in ten years they will try to extort as much extra money as they can from those of us now fortunate enough to have seats in the grandstands. Loyalty to longtime fans and supporters is sadly a thing of the past.
 

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If you have the demand, keep building until to meet your demand. Hell everyone does it for football why not. If you had that demand, you should have kept adding on. It shows very little vision for growth.

This is the absolute correct answer. They could have even sold GA season tickets for those areas if they added more seating, and created a lower price point for more regular attendees that didn’t want to splurge on reserved chairbacks.

All that being said, the current set up will only become a problem if actual season ticket holders don’t show up in the reserved sections. One of the biggest problems the new stadium was supposed to solve was to allow more regular attendees into the grandstand areas who weren’t grandfathered into the lifetime purchased seats from the original build in 1987. If that’s still an issue and people aren’t filling the grandstand for 60-70% of the games despite season tickets being sold out, then it becomes the same problem that we currently have with MBB and the Hump.
 

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Sorry for the late reply, just now seeing this. In my experience I've never had to sit on the grass or had to stand or move in a certain inning in any other park I've been too. I dont know what system they have at their places, I just know that I've walked up to the Bama, OM, and A&M stadiums and got chairback seats every time. I dont know how or why, but they've always had those seats available with me just walking up.

At OM, you can sit in any chairback you want (besides their box seating) as soon as you walk into the stadium and that seat is yours for the whole game unless the person who owns the seat shows up. Then you just simply move. There is no waiting until the 3rd, 4th or 5th inning. I don't see why we can't do that here.

I sit in the LFL so the current discussion doesn't affect me but they're so strict here that last year I had to sweet-talk, beg and almost bribe someone just to let me down the aisle to be able to go sit in a chairback to watch batting practice for 5 minutes an hour and a half before the game.
 
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8dog

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I dont think thats correct. I think they built the stadium exactly to the demand in 2015. Thats why they did that well before construction and final plans. So persons a and b could have both gotten chairbacks
 

patdog

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I dont think thats correct. I think they built the stadium exactly to the demand in 2015. Thats why they did that well before construction and final plans. So persons a and b could have both gotten chairbacks
Of course it's correct. If both Person A and Person B had bought tickets in 2015, then Person C, who currently has tickets, would be left out. There are only X number of seats in the grandstand, and the demand is X + Y. And they clearly did not build the stadium exactly to demand. They built it too small, which is proved by the fact there is already a shortage of seats before the stadium even opens. It probably won't be a major problem for most weekends, but it's frustrating knowing this was so easily foreseeable and so easily avoidable. I knew as soon as they released the details of the new stadium it was too small.
 

8dog

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I dont understand what you are saying. Are you saying there are people who ordered chairbacks and didnt get them?

In short, everyone had an opportunity to get them in 2015. If someone ordered them in 2015 and didnt get a seat then you are right. If not then you are wrong
 

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The portable folding chair would be a great idea if the school allowed you to use it on the concourse. However, I believe there is a rule specifically banning folding chairs from the concourse.

Personally, I think the concourse is wide enough to allow one row of chairs in the front by the rail. Of course, that keeps those who are standing behind from leaning on the rail.
 

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Uh you are wrong. What he's saying is that everyone could have a bought a grandstand seat. They built the stadium based on sales. Had we sold more in ore sales it would have been bigger. Everyone and I mean everyone had a chance. So if you wanted one and didn't get it, it's your own fault.

Then the formula used was wrong because we under-built the stadium in terms of walk-up options. I don't think it's really even debatable.

This new stadium, as nice and pretty as it is, still has a bunch of the same problems as the old joint. The core thing being that it doesn't invite the growth and expansion of the fanbase because those potential segments are alienated. It caters almost totally to the already-known and fully invested quantity that was already coming to games at the old Dudy Noble.

Nowhere for the kids. Nowhere for a casual weekend visitor to bring in a grill and do the whole lounge thing. Nowhere for the elderly fan coming for the weekend to knowingly have a seat in advance to justify the attempt. Tiny coolers only. ETC. I'm not going down the list specifics again because it's a dead horse that's been beaten too hard already. I think the new stadium is awesome and overall a huge improvement, just that there are some specific missed opportunities.
 

patdog

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How hard is it to understand? We built the stadium to a capacity of X number of seats. The demand is greater than X. By definition, the stadium was built too small to meet demand. Suggesting that everyone who wanted to buy tickets in 2019 should have committed and paid a deposit for them 4 years ago is ludicrous. That's simply never going to happen.
 

paindonthurt_

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No ****. But we built it to a demand as we saw it in 2015.

Was that off for forecasted demand in 2019? Sure, but who the 17 can see the future exactly.

Everyone had the chances to order tickets in 2015. Everyone.

Your argument is they game up short on the size. Ok you are correct in hind sight.

It seems Trojan doesn’t really care abt the size. He cares abt him missing out on a chance to see a few games a year. GET OVER IT.
 
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GTAT

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At OM, you can sit in any chairback you want (besides their box seating) as soon as you walk into the stadium and that seat is yours for the whole game unless the person who owns the seat shows up. Then you just simply move. There is no waiting until the 3rd, 4th or 5th inning. I don't see why we can't do that here.
I think the answer is simply to allow people in earlier than the 5th inning. 3rd should do it.
 

patdog

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The issue is, it was plainly obvious as soon as they released the details of the new stadium it was being built too small. I knew it immediately. I don't really care all that much. I just won't go if I can't get a grandstand seat. But it was Templeton level small-minded thinking by Cohen to not make a few changes and add a few details to the new stadium to really do it right. And the baseball program will pay for it with slightly smaller crowds than it could have very easily had.