Bam and Knox
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I'm going to need more proof that Bam took money than a paper in some dirty agent's office. "Show me the money". Show me proof that money was provided.
Right, which makes me wonder what else they have and how much longer they will dribble out these reports, releasing it little by little. As I've said, the shoe money is the big whale here.
Bingo. See we're not so far off. I hate the internet because everyone goes immediately to nuclear response mode too instead of chilling the hell out and having a discussion. We're on the same side. No, I don't think UK is culpable of any wrong doing. Louisville steered money, UNC steered atheletes. Yes, I get that and how it is inherently different from this. But several posters immediately jumped my *** specifically because I said that UK should own up to whatever responsbility it may have and face this head on. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that statement, and it also leaves open the fact that if they have no responsibility that we do nothing. That statement apparently translates to me saying "UK and Cal are paying players and our university is run by a bunch of greaseballs lullz Go Card Tar Heels" or some such, which when people put their thinking caps on instead of just reacting is quite clearly NOT what I said.
If Bam took the money in HS I do not think anything bad will come from that as long as he had not signed his Financial papers or LOI at the time he received the money. NN is another story, but, even in his case we would only have to forfeit the games we won prior to his injury.
I don't know if we should be worried or not. With all of the schools/players listed, no way they can punish everyone. The Knox and Noel situations don't scare me but the BAM thing does. The good news is, no way that any of these teams face future post season bans because that would effect the NCAA. They would lose millions.
Don't be that guy. I personally don't think there is anything morally or ethically wrong with a poor kid getting a loan for future earnings, but it is a violation and we shouldn't be those fans who try to get around that.
It's why I stick to the football board 99% of the time. Actual discussion to read instead of the 20 year old fans still at UK and folks from the hollers shouting at anyone with a challenging opinion. That being said, my posts aren't exactly pure gold either [laughing]
How can Memphis lose a season for something that was never even proven regarding SAT scores but they won’t rule a player ineligible for taking money.
Some of y'all need to drink a beer and just ride this **** out.
I would argue we need to drink a beer regardless. [cheers]
Here's my thing. Cliff Alexander played 28 games for Kansas 3 years ago. Everyone knows his family took loans. Where are the vacated games?
Lance Thomas took a 70K loan from a jewelry store during Duke's 2010 Title season. Not to mention his suspicious access to 30k in cash. Everyone knows this. Where are those vacated games?
You keep talking about Camby. OK, fair enough. But recency and how other bluebloods have been (not) dealt with tells me we shouldn't have to be worried about this. At least not to a Marcus Camby, toss out all the wins level.
A lot of variables left undefined but if it shakes out that way, no way will the NCAA hammer everyone.
FBI has basically called out the NCAA for hypocrisy - how they respond will likely define their very existence...
I agree what is alleged is a violation. If it happened we should accept the consequences. I'm just saying there should be more proof that Bam took money before we put the rope around our necks. Show me bank transactions, deposit slips, something besides a spreadsheet in the agent's office.
Good point about the Lance Thomas situation. And he got the line of credit DURING the season. Starting to think we won't get any games vacated. Unless there is more that is coming.
You've hit the nail on the head. I don't fault anyone for pointing out all of the inconsistent B.S. the NCAA has perpetuated. And in this case, I think it seems pretty clear that Miller is in no way associated with UK. He and Cal are not buddy-buddy (understatement.) I'm just concerned that regardless vacating is still on the table, even if the money was clearly intended to steer Bam to NC State. No one ever accused the NCAA of using common sense.
True story, I worked for a small health care service back in the early 2000's..one day in 2002 the FBI shows up at the office with a warrant citing healthcare fraud..the picture on the front of the warrant was dated 9-04-2001..let that sink in for a second..the owner of the business asked the agents "what were you people doing watching my company when there were 19 maniacs preparing the worst attack in American history only a week later?" They laughed in his face..Turns out the supposed fraud was fabricated by a disgruntled former employee..he hired a lawyer,case dismissed..
Precipitating from a troll like post you're shocked...you lost me at intellegent [laughing]
This won't even get addressed, let alone resolved for a LONG time, so the only thing that needs to be resolved now if the Knox thing. And anything less than 200 bucks is not a problem. Would have to eat a lot at Texas Roadhouse to run up a 200 dollar bill.
The entire reason I ended up on the board was due to the closure of ukbasketballlive. I came here only to see if he was going to need donations to help with legal fees. Check my post history. At times it nice to talk to like minded people about common intrist so I stayed. I can see that can be had here amoung some tight clicks. So thanks for the advice though it would have went over better without the added insult. Have a better day.
Because he had already committed to the school and the SAT score made him eligible. Totally different than taking money in HS before any oral or written contract was agreed upon. I am not saying we will skate I am saying it is a possibility since he was in HS and it was prior to any commitment being made.
You are welcome, I hope you enjoy your time here. But seriously, you need to have a little thicker skin, this isnt the Calvary Methodist Community Board.
I'm sure you will be fine.
No doubt it's on the table. But given the way the NCAA has dealt with these situations recently, I would be disappointed if we decided to fall on our sword. The NCAA is undeserving of that level of contrition.
Rose had not committed to Memphis at the time he took the test. I'm not sure if that's what you meant.
He was, of course, playing for Memphis at the time the score was ruled invalid.
May be wrong but my understanding is that the money for BAM if any was for him to join Dennis Smith at NCState
You realize players from all those top 5 teams were listed right?
Looks like someone has already edited the Most Wins. Is this in trouble?
Doesn’t look good on the surface. Hopefully we can get the all clear on Knox before the tournament starts.
On the bright side, if we have to forfeit Nerlen' s wins it won't be a huge loss.
So, to sum up what we know so far. Someone please correct where I am wrong IN WHAT WE KNOW NOW:
1. The Knox thing appears to be AT WORST a meal someone in his orbit had with someone associated with Miller who could expense it.
2. Nerlens Noel appears to have gotten a loan AFTER he left Kentucky and was already a professional.
3. Bam appears to have gotten a loan -- according to a notation on a sheet of paper that we are only assuming is what it purports to be -- in high school when he was not yet affiliated with Kentucky, and there is no reason to think the loan was to influence him to come to Kentucky. He was believed to be headed elsewhere until the last minute. That sounds like a Corey Maggette-type situation.
1. The Knox thing appears to be AT WORST a meal someone in his orbit had with someone associated with Miller who could expense it.
2. Nerlens Noel appears to have gotten a loan AFTER he left Kentucky and was already a professional.
3. Bam appears to have gotten a loan -- according to a notation on a sheet of paper that we are only assuming is what it purports to be -- in high school when he was not yet affiliated with Kentucky, and there is no reason to think the loan was to influence him to come to Kentucky. He was believed to be headed elsewhere until the last minute. That sounds like a Corey Maggette-type situation.
Actually I believe he had. I went back and looked up the commitment date a couple years ago, and I don't really remember what it was exactly, but I am pretty sure he as a commit at the time. Doesn't really change anything though. I highly doubt Cal had anything to do with that SAT fiasco.
With Knox was is just one meal? lol
Given the amount of crap that's come out and about to come out..........I'm surprised that Knox is even mentioned lol
Given the amount of crap that's come out and about to come out..........I'm surprised that Knox is even mentioned lol
There were lots of rumblings that Bam was bought and paid for to NC St. and it would be a sticky situation for him to get himself out of.
It's a shame, really. A shady agent floats some cash to the family of a broke teenager. Seemingly the teenager knew it was wrong and wanted to get away from the situation. At least that's my read on it at this point.
I just assumed he had verbally committed to Memphis but the penalty was assessed as a result of the invalid test score. My main point was that the Rose and Bam situations were totally different based on the timing of the infractions.
I don't want to slip to second in wins behind Kansas. So even those I don't want to give up.