Baker accepted the Bama job
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Possibly our Best talent ever AND an entire staff that Bama wanted....and we went 8-5.
But seriously, this sucks. Baker is the main guy I didn't want us to lose. It's time to either start spending big money, or accept that every time we start to take a step forward, someone will hire away those responsible for the step. We've become stepping stone U
But seriously, this sucks. Baker is the main guy I didn't want us to lose. It's time to either start spending big money, or accept that every time we start to take a step forward, someone will hire away those responsible for the step. We've become stepping stone U
We will never be able to keep good assistants as long as our pay scale is at the bottom of the league. We paid a competitive salary to our last head coach & we kept him for a long time. But we’ve been paying bargain basement prices for assistants for years.
Baker had a good run these past three years with arguably some of the most talented DLineman in college football... proud of what he did for our program....
BUT HE IS DEAD TO ME NOW!
BUT HE IS DEAD TO ME NOW!
Yep. Amazing the purse strings got even tighter with the AD change. We have to follow the Clemson model and overpay excellent assistants by enough that they can’t make a lateral move.
This move is absolutely brutal for us.
Yeah. Looks like everyone is just kicking around the Football Scoop report. Maybe we’ll get lucky and they jumped the gun.
Apparently the Football staff doesn't read Sixpackspeak, they don't know that we're supposed to give Moorehead 3 more years with his own players / system before passing judgment / jumping off the bandwagon.***
It’s not just losing Baker. It’s losing him to another 17ing school in the same 17ing conference to the same 17ing position.
How long is Cohen going to put up with being the rest of the conferences minor league school for coaching talent. Sick of this ****.
How long is Cohen going to put up with being the rest of the conferences minor league school for coaching talent. Sick of this ****.
Less than 2 weeks before signing day no less. Didn't mind Huff so much who had no relationships here. Baker, on the other hand we basically rehabilitated off the trash heap of coaching who was back at a TX HS before we took a chance on him and now he is ditching us to go coach under Satan.
At least losing position coaches isn't as bad as having a different defensive coordinator every year, but it is still frustrating.
Man some of you guys on here have no 17ing clue. Whatever we’d pay they’d pay more. How many of you have a job where your current employer dictates who you can and cannot interview with or take another job with. If you don’t like Joe or Cohen that’s fine but to claim they aren’t doing enough to keep coaches is asinine. What’s the better choice, try to keep a guy who wants to leave or get a guy who wants to be here. Flame away!
Look, when you’re Pepsi, you’re gonna lose a few guys to Coke. Even a few more if you’re RC Cola.
Wasn’t it reported that JoMo accepted less money, so he could pay his assistants more? Is that not true?
Remember how excited we were when Moorhead said he didn’t want that much pay so we can pay our assistants top shelf salaries to prevent this from happening?
I remember
I remember
We’re like flint tap water. Actually we are regular tap water. OM is flint tap.
Yeah some of you guys need to check yourselves in the thinking we need to step up to the plate to keep assistants from going to Bama. Now I agree we need to pay for the vbest we get p, but ANY coach, if offered, would go to Bama for the same position, and if you think we need to step up to the Bama pay scale, all they will do is pay more.
Dont get so hung up on all all of this and know there are a lot of good assistant coaches out there. The HC just needs to have a good network throughout the coaching circles and have his bullpen ready at each position every year. It’s the nature of the business.
Dont get so hung up on all all of this and know there are a lot of good assistant coaches out there. The HC just needs to have a good network throughout the coaching circles and have his bullpen ready at each position every year. It’s the nature of the business.
State will move on, but this move puts our program in a bad light. The guy just signed a contract extension this week. Signing day is just around the corner. As a State fan, maybe I now somewhat understand the "me too" movement. 17 Bama and 17 Saban. Resist the crimson turds!
I do open it, so I'll keep talking, thanks though. Maybe the right answer is to close my wallet and quit giving a damn, since most of our fans like you clearly don't.
You realize that even Alabama loses position coaches and coordinators too, right? Enos was the next man up to be OC and he bolted town for a lateral move (at best) to Miami. Everybody and I mean everybody deals with attrition with position coaches. You folks need to seriously back away from the ledge. Baker has moved 7 times since 2006. 7 times in 12 years. 2-4 years is all we were ever getting from him. And that’s all Bama will get, too.
It's irrelevant with Bama though because their program is already built.
We can't even build one because of this.
No. We didn’t. He was in a random coach / mentor assignment at some random high school in Texas. But now, after a mere 3 years under the esteemed tuteledge of Sirs Merlinz and Moorhead, he is now the greatest DL coach in football history***
If he lets FB slide too far, it will take years to build back. Byrne, Mullen/Stricklin brought in more money and fans than we ever had, for 9 years, and made things stable. Almost all fans were optimistic Mullen's first few years. This year are fans are about 50/50 on football's future with this staff. We don't have enough fans or money to not have everyone pulling in the same direction.
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How is it irrelevant? What the hell does this even mean? We can’t build a program because our position coaches do the same thing that position coaches at literally every other school in the country (including Alabama) do? You might as well say we can’t build a program because we can only give out 25 scholarships per year. The status quo is that position coaches jump around. Always and everywhere. That’s about the lamest excuse yet for why we can’t build the program higher. Having the all time greatest coach in the history of college sports operating a juggernaut recruiting machine just 70 miles to the east of Starkville is, perhaps, a much better reason why we can’t raise our ceiling yet.
Is State paying the assistant coaches enough or not? Take U of A out of the equation. Saban gets what he wants. Still, is State paying its assistants a competitive salary?
No competes would probably only be tied to the same job title since you wouldn't want to keep a position coach from moving to a coordinator role. So to get around this, schools would add bs descriptions to the new job.
Oh, you can't be d-line coach at Bama because that's the same thing you had at State? Fine, we'll make you assistant defensive coordinator as well.
Oh, you can't be d-line coach at Bama because that's the same thing you had at State? Fine, we'll make you assistant defensive coordinator as well.
On the surface, I’d say yes. We aren’t losing anyone to even the Auburn’s, LSU’s, or Georgia’s. It’s Bama and the NFL. You pay your HC and you pay your coordinators. You pay your position coaches enough to stick around for 3-4 years or so. The relationship with Baker was mutually beneficial for him and MSU. Now it’s time for another guy to step in, and we’ll find a good one. Outside of the one year John Blake debacle at the tail end of Jackie when he was all out of 17’s to give about being competitive, we’ve had a good DL coach every year for nearly the past 3 decades. It’s gonna be OK.
I would never leave a job for a similar opportunity with a bigger company that can pay me more while giving me significantly better tools to succeed. Especially if that company is known for opening even bigger and better doors for employees down the road.... Good gravy, why would I want to go up to another tax bracket?
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