This is why I don’t buy the let’s keep Cal because there’s no one else to replace him. Nobody thought Davis would succeed after Roy left, but he’s obviously doing a great job so far!
Bacot returning to UNC
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That's not true. Make it up as ya go!!!! Yea we've had a few leave as 2nd Rd picks but not very many.
Richards came back
IQ came back
Ej came back
He was also left several crucial players. He may be great but Love is what took them to the final 4.. not Hubert
Under current federal laws Oscar will be deported if he tries to touch any NIL money. Probably not best to compare his situation to others.
I didnt say they all did.Where did I say that
For every one that comes back how many that should have come back left anyway..from 2010 to 2017 our roster was a constant turnover with departures of kids going to the draft only to end up overseas or Gleague...
Several crucial players who got blown out in the first round of the 2021 NCAA tournament.
Let's not downplay what Hubert Davis was able to do with that squad. He changed the offense, added stretch 4s to space the floor, and pressed the right buttons to change a squad who was mediocre at best until very recently.
My point wasn’t that it’s a bad or good thing. Just to respond to the guy saying “well Lordy why would he declare, he’s not even on draft boards!” We have guys that do it all the time.
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Dang. If they get all those guys back, the UNC/Duke games will be absolute battles. Must see tv if you like good basketball. Just what ESPN wants. $$$
The mental gymnastics is constant on here. Whatever thing helps advance their agenda as an apologists is what matters.
Bacot is projected to go late second round or not at all. Why would he leave UNC with NIL and a free diploma without going to class?
If Oscar and Bacot played back in the 90s, I'm sure they would be 1st round picks.
What does that have anything to do with Bacot or the multiple players most posters are questioning declaring?
wagner went 6th overall
brooks and toppin would be second round in the Italian draft and bacot may be a second rounder in nba
If you want to talk about a player comparable to Wagner look at Harrison Barnes from UNC, sure fire first overall pick in the draft and Roy cried to get him back in school, that would be comparable.
NIL or no NIL, Chapel Hill does not lose players very early to the pros. You can find one here or there that stayed one year for them (Coby White, Marvin Williams) but the norm is they keep their best players multiple years. Look at their 2016 and 2017 squads, was there anyone left in College who came in with Justin Jackson's class (who was really good) and still in school when Jackson was a junior? He had to have been the highest ranked remaining player from his class playing in College that 2016-2017 season. Go back to 2009 - Lawson, Ellington, Green, Hansbrough, you'll never see that kind of talent stay in school as long as they did ever again. Don't know how they do it.
Someone mentioned a list of schools who seem to keep their players longer and one mentioned was Duke. Huh? they have a new team every year practically. How many good/great upperclassmen have they had lately? Wendell Moore a (rare) junior had a really good College season. Not great, but good. I've not heard anything but I'm sure he won't be back and like I said he was good, not great. Before that.....Greyson Allen in 2018? Quinn Cook in 2015 for sure. I guess Amile Jefferson would qualify, (but his career avg. was 7.2 ppg, shrug) They don't keep guys averaging double doubles and who rank in the top 10 of the ACC in scoring (Love and Bacot) like Carolina does. Must be nice.
College Basketball needs a strong Kentucky next year to counter what Chapel Hill is returning. (Four starters from a runner-up team. Though Manek is a big loss.)
Someone mentioned a list of schools who seem to keep their players longer and one mentioned was Duke. Huh? they have a new team every year practically. How many good/great upperclassmen have they had lately? Wendell Moore a (rare) junior had a really good College season. Not great, but good. I've not heard anything but I'm sure he won't be back and like I said he was good, not great. Before that.....Greyson Allen in 2018? Quinn Cook in 2015 for sure. I guess Amile Jefferson would qualify, (but his career avg. was 7.2 ppg, shrug) They don't keep guys averaging double doubles and who rank in the top 10 of the ACC in scoring (Love and Bacot) like Carolina does. Must be nice.
College Basketball needs a strong Kentucky next year to counter what Chapel Hill is returning. (Four starters from a runner-up team. Though Manek is a big loss.)
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It's the Tar Heel way. He's only two semesters shy of having his PhD. Why leave now?
He did drop to 7 but I don't think he was going No. 1 with Kyrie Irving in the draft. He does probably go No. 2 and 4 at worse. They also had the NBA lockout that year which is what won us a title and kept other guys.
The two biggest drops I can recall ever happening are
Western's Chris Marcus who was considered a lottery pick and then came back and it never happened.
Jouaquin Noah- He would have become the No. 1 pick in the 2006 draft no question and came back, won another title but then went 9th.
I’m definitely not. I do have enough of a cursory understanding and awareness to know the way we do things is an outlier. Every program has attrition. But it is a matter of degree and the turnover our program goes through is absurd.
CBA is twice, but I think NCAA rules now say multiple times.
Before 2016, the NCAA only allowed a player to enter the draft once without losing eligibility,[28] but current NCAA rules now allow players to declare for and withdraw from multiple drafts while retaining college eligibility.
What it has to do with the issue? it's their livelihood. Do you want strangers having a say in your decisions?
Went to a frickin title game and they still keep their best players. WTF WTF WTF WTF
Some years ago, Dean Smith basically promised King Rice's father that if he stayed 4 years, he would get his degree. My best guess is that Smith could use his fake degrees to get coaching gigs for former players. Any kid who wanted to perhaps coach some day would like that.
And I have no doubts Manek comes back IF he only had another year of eligibility.
It's a reasonable question, too. I don't know why schools are in the entertainment business at all. Phys Ed., intramurals, and (maybe) club sports seem sufficient to keep their students healthy.
I follow sports. I'd follow whoever was around. If I could wave a magic wand, though, I'd get colleges and universities out of the entertainment business. (And the landlord business, too. If you've seen the campus recently you'll know what I'm talking about.)
For several years Duke didn't have to worry about losing players to the NBA either. Back in the 90s, Laettner, Hill and Hurley returned to win back-to-back titles. Would this have happened at any other school. I would say Duke benefitted more from this players staying more than any other program.
Duke probably stands out here because they recruit as good as Kentucky but seem better able to get their elite players to become sophomores (Hurt, Williams, Jones, Moore, Kennard, etc).
The UCLA thing is a very good point, my question would be did the Bruins just get hot for a couple weeks or did it start before that? In the case of Chapel Hill, they were catching fire by the mid-way point or a hair over the mid-way point of the season. They had the 20 point home loss to Duke in early Feb and then their absolute low point of the season was a terrible Pittsburgh team (who finished the season 11-21) coming into chapel hill and beating them. That was about mid-February I believe and after that Carolina changed and got better and better and they did not lose again until the semi's of the ACC Tournament against Va Tech. (VT blows out unc and Duke to win the ACC Tournament then loses in first round of the NCAA'S lol, go figure) and then their next loss was the National Championship game.
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Of course, absolutely, but who else lost players back then? Alonzo Mourning stayed four years at Georgetown, he came into College when Laettner did. (they faced off in the 89 East Regional Final) Shaq stayed at LSU three years. The UNLV guys stayed. Across the board kids just stayed in school longer and that started changing once Kobe and a couple others skipped College completely in the mid/late 90's.
From my vantage point what turned there entire season around was clearly defined roles. They tried their most talented player Love as a ball dominate play making guard for the first half of the season and it was a disaster. Even in the final 4 Love had some truly horrendous turnovers trying to make plays because he is bad at it. But they got it sorted moved Love to SG and had him focus on scoring only and driving the paint and moved Davis to PG. They only played 6-7 guys and everybody in the rotation thrived at the same time with many less turnovers and slightly better defense.
“Farm team” I remember we said that back in the mid 90’s. Then it was a compliment or a comment on how good we were. Different times.I thought we were told that every team players always leave it’s not just our team!Well only happens to our NBA farm team!