B1G refs should be fired. What a joke

[Greene Rice FIG]

Yes but if your kid comes home with an F on his math test and your other kid is a terrible official you disown them both.

Actually he was. His career ended umping a 10 year old game when he got harassed by a dad coach. This dad coach is a head coach at one of the top HS teams in NJ

 

[fluoxetine]

Hopefully you didn't actually disown him..

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Hopefully you didn't actually disown him..

Not for that

 

[RUChoppin]

Show me where he pushed people with his hands.

There were several times, but I'd have to go back to the recording to find them for you. Just from quick memory, he shoved Omoruyi out of the way for a rebound at least twice with his hands and leaned his forearm on McConnell's neck to go over the back for the rebound. Dude's a load, but when he's getting that amount of freedom to be physical, he's a force of nature.

 

[RU MAN]

These refs are total garbage tonight.

They were a total POS. We've had them before and they SUCK! the white crew cut guy should be tied up and whipped for his horseshit calls.

 

[NiTeKnight]

His elbow ran Duc right through the block on that "highlight " rebound&jam they replayed half a dozen times.

Thought Cockburn got away with some over the backs also.

 

[Scarlet Blind_rivals]

The refs weren't the reason we lost but they sure as hell didn't give us a chance to win the game with what was left after giving our tallest 4 players in an eight.man rotation, 2 fouls in the first 10 minutes of the game extending the lead from 17-13, 11:07 Myles 2nd after Cliff and Caleb already picked up 2, our 3 best analytic defenders, to 46-27 at half, The game was essentially over before it started.

RU 1st half 12-25 FT 4-6 2nd half 13-29
13-17 11:07-6:53 Illinois FG 6-7 83.3%, 18-33, 5-16
With 6'2 JY, 6'4 Geo, 6'4 MM, "6'6" RHJ, 6'9 Doucoure
Very little defense(Geo by analytics for the season is the best of the 5 defensively)
very little reboundingRHJ 6, Geo 3, Mathis 3 JY.2, Doucoure 1) with that 5)
no Caleb Cliff or Myles, Game over.
Illinois 17-31(11-24 without that run) FT 11-16 2nd half 15-30

We didn't shoot poorly in either half we didn't take a ton of bad 3s, 1-7 3s for 35 minutes. Everyone was scared to rebound picking up their 3rd, which Paul did.

 

[Spare130_rivals]

Refs had a bad night but had zero effect on the outcome. Illinois smoked us

 

[BigEastPhil]

I see the issues as follows:

1. The refs are inconsistent from game to game let alone from half to half.
2. The refs show favoritism. See Iowa and Garza etc.
3. I have never seen so many interruptions at end of games going to the replay with this conference.
4. And though I love Pike - part of his job is to manipulate the game with the refs and he does not - which hurts us always getting calls against us. He needs to be in their face and he doesn't do it

 

[Loyal_2RU]

Show me where he pushed people with his hands.

You're right here used his elbows

 

[IL Lusciato]

And the announcers say nothing as he waved bye. Trash

Cock Burn, bat boy, and georgie. Many on that team act like complete punks. Them and their fans acted like this was the championship. We beat them the last 2.... Let's see what they do tomorrow and beyond.

 

[RU MAN]

I see the issues as follows:

1. The refs are inconsistent from game to game let alone from half to half.
2. The refs show favoritism. See Iowa and Garza etc.
3. I have never seen so many interruptions at end of games going to the replay with this conference.
4. And though I love Pike - part of his job is to manipulate the game with the refs and he does not - which hurts us always getting calls against us. He needs to be in their face and he doesn't do it

Especially BigEast Phil #4. I am so sick of Pike being Mr. nice guy. He should have been all over these POS officials. Ultimately it's not why we lost, but the fact that these POS officials didn't even allow us to compete was an abomination.

 

[RUnTeX]

Cockburn's use of hands seemed overly aggressive, perhaps even worth a flagrant, on that one rebound that Mathis was able to rip away from him. Cockburn appeared to get frustrated and looked like he slapped at Mathis with an open hand though it may not have fully landed.

So that appeared to be intentional whereas McConnell's crotch grab to brace himself for a rebound while being pushed in the back by Beshanishvilli (sp?) looked pretty inadvertent.

 

[IMARUFAN]

Seems clear it'll be several more years before Rutgers is "accepted" as a member of the B1G by the fans of other B1G teams, the media and the refs and is treated as an equal.

It's very telling when Rutgers beats another B1G team how irate those fans get that their team "lost to Rutgers!", of all things. Like it's the worse thing that could happen.

 

[DHajekRC84]

Especially BigEast Phil #4. I am so sick of Pike being Mr. nice guy. He should have been all over these POS officials. Ultimately it's not why we lost, but the fact that these POS officials didn't even allow us to compete was an abomination.

I'm sure Pike didn't see the Caleb thing well or if at all last night but now that he has had a chance to review it I sure freakin hope he comes out with a strong statement of support. (no pun intended)
That was an uncommon common foul and no bad intentions. Certainly not an F1 or F2. How frustrating and embarrassing that must have been for him. Not sure if our "friends" at ESPN picked up on it to have fun. But the last thing Caleb needs is to get an un-deserved rep.
Pike needs to say something strong and shut it down. Will he?

 

[DHajekRC84]

very little reboundingRHJ 6, Geo 3, Mathis 3 JY.2, Doucoure 1) with that 5)

Rebounding. RHJ had 2, Geo 3, Mathis 1, JY zero, Duke 1. Little is an understatement . 19 total with 3 on the offensive side. SMH

 

[Corycord1]

Im with you GRF...people are looking at the refs and excuse some pretty poor play by our guys

Give it a rest BAC.. you constantly act like the refs don’t play a part in a game, yet they kept us from at least competing in this one.. not saying we would have won but we weren’t given a chance to complete in this one.

 

[newell138]

It's funny. I never look at the board during the game. When I came on I thought "there's no way folks can put this one on the refs tonight. We were just outplayed in every possible way." But here we are. Someone else mentioned it already. Were there some crap calls? For sure. But you're kidding yourself if you think we wouldn't have lost by double digits either way.

As many have said two things can be true

I do recall PSU fans warning us about how the new guy will be treated by the refs when we joined the conference

 

[G- RUnit]

Im with you GRF...people are looking at the refs and excuse some pretty poor play by our guys

Sorry BAC but the opposite is also true. Lots of fans on this board including yourself excuse some pretty poor officiating.

We were bad tonight no doubt. Officiating was just as atrocious.

 

[Scarlet Blind_rivals]

Rebounding. RHJ had 2, Geo 3, Mathis 1, JY zero, Duke 1. Little is an understatement . 19 total with 3 on the offensive side. SMH

Sorry it was late, on the year those 5 average 6,3,3,2,1 on the year which is not what you want on the floor in a 6 minute stretch is your average to below average defenders, minus JY at times, or not very good rebounders all on the floor together. These were 4 out of 5 on the floor for the OSU collapse game, when they stuck our size with fouls, the rebounding and defense went to s**t too, Illinois 4 point lead to a 15 pt game with 4 or.so minutes still on the clock 1st half extending it to 19 at half with Caleb 2, Paul 3, Myles 2, and Cliff 2. Take Kofi, Georgie, Grandison and Ayo off the floor with 2 fouls, leave 6'2 Frazier, 6'3 Miller, 6'3 Williams, 6'1 Curbelo with Coleman Hawkins as their big and see how well they defend or rebound in a 6 minute stretch against our starters with no foul trouble.

 

[anon_xekqhstck0ygt]

you called me out early last night on my ref post but jesus RU played so bad there was way more to complain about than the ref. I bitched when it was still maybe a game, after that I just turned off my PC....rebounding differential for one. yikes

edit: the mcconnell ejection was horribly bad. He got pushed from behind and put out his arm to break his fall or prevent his fall. Ejected? wow

Im with you GRF...people are looking at the refs and excuse some pretty poor play by our guys

 

[DHajekRC84]

Sorry it was late, on the year those 5 average 6,3,3,2,1 on the year which is not what you want on the floor in a 6 minute stretch is your average to below average defenders, minus JY at times, or not very good rebounders all on the floor together. These were 4 out of 5 on the floor for the OSU collapse game, when they stuck our size with fouls, the rebounding and defense went to s**t too, Illinois 4 point lead to a 15 pt game with 4 or.so minutes still on the clock 1st half extending it to 19 at half with Caleb 2, Paul 3, Myles 2, and Cliff 2. Take Kofi, Georgie, Grandison and Ayo off the floor with 2 fouls, leave 6'2 Frazier, 6'3 Miller, 6'3 Williams, 6'1 Curbelo with Coleman Hawkins as their big and see how well they defend or rebound in a 6 minute stretch against our starters with no foul trouble.

No worries man. My SMH wasn't directed towards you if you thought that. It was towards the rebound numbers yesterday.

 

[DHajekRC84]

edit: the mcconnell ejection was horribly bad. He got pushed from behind and put out his arm to break his fall or prevent his fall. Ejected? wow

Its utterly amazing they could have seen it as they did unless they were looking for something.

 

[leftoright]

What was the exact time Myles got his first foul? The pin was heading for the balloon right there.

 

[YoucancallmeRay]

It's funny to me how fans who are watching the game on a TV screen showing a camera view that is 100 feet from the court think the refs, who are actually on the court, and hear contact, and who know the rule book, and who have been to countless clinics, and who have done post game analyses of their own games, and who have gotten critiqued by their bosses, and who have received instruction on points of emphasis, think the refs stink, or have it in for RU. Are the refs perfect, of course not. Do they sometimes miss calls, yes. But just because you don't like a call, it doesn't mean the refs are terrible. Overall, they are good. It's lame to blame them.

 

[anon_xekqhstck0ygt]

15 seconds? problem is, it was a foul.

What was the exact time Myles got his first foul? The pin was heading for the balloon right there.

 

[Knights 1212]

The officiating was beyond terrible. Illinois was the better team but the technical on Paul and the flagrant 2 on Caleb when Georgi pushed him in the back were absurd. There is a different set of rules for Cockburn and Garza for BIG 10 games. Cockburn threw McConnell to the side and went over him twice during the game which was so obvious without a call being made either time. He also elbowed Mathis with no call and waved good bye to Myles when he fouled out and was laughing at him but of course no technical or anything was ever said to Cockburn. That was real class by him.

 

[wheezer]

So that appeared to be intentional whereas McConnell's crotch grab to brace himself for a rebound while being pushed in the back by Beshanishvilli (sp?) looked pretty inadvertent.

McConnell wasn't even looking at, facing the guy when the
"foul" occurred..... if they wanted to call it a foul....ok, fine

but to go to the flagrant 2 was just crazy

other observations:

Cockburn can use his massive body to push defenders or other rebounders, and it does not get called.... he had a decided advantage here.....something Myles cannot do

there is no way that we can have Cliff in there defending Cockburn, or really any other savvy big man...I mean, Cliff has to learn it, but it kills you along the way

Cliff left Cockburn a time or two to help out, and it resulted in a couple of thunderous dunks....and Cliff has enough other problems on defense, right now...

JY is like feast or famine...... our best, get to the hoop guy we have, and always at the risk of a turnover..... the announcer said he had five turnovers, I don't know if he had more after that

 

[RUChoppin]

JY is like feast or famine...... our best, get to the hoop guy we have, and always at the risk of a turnover..... the announcer said he had five turnovers, I don't know if he had more after that

He got it more under control after the early part of the first half. He had three turnovers in the first three minutes or so.

 

[wheezer]

He got it more under control after the early part of the first half. He had three turnovers in the first three minutes or so.

with JY we have to take the good with the bad..... over the past several games he has had four turnovers several times, and one game with one turnover... for one player to start averaging 4 turnovers is not a good thing.....yet, he is so good, sometimes, in getting us points....frustrating

 

[RUChoppin]

with JY we have to take the good with the bad..... over the past several games he has had four turnovers several times, and one game with one turnover... for one player to start averaging 4 turnovers is not a good thing.....yet, he is so good, sometimes, in getting us points....frustrating

Three or four turnovers in a game is not so bad given the point production he usually puts up, along with assists. Three turnovers in the first three minutes, though, is just too hyped up and out of control. Staff got him settled down for most of the rest of the game, but the whole team was off in those first five minutes and it set the tone for the rest of the way.

 

[DHajekRC84]

It's funny to me how fans who are watching the game on a TV screen showing a camera view that is 100 feet from the court think the refs, who are actually on the court, and hear contact, and who know the rule book, and who have been to countless clinics, and who have done post game analyses of their own games, and who have gotten critiqued by their bosses, and who have received instruction on points of emphasis, think the refs stink, or have it in for RU. Are the refs perfect, of course not. Do they sometimes miss calls, yes. But just because you don't like a call, it doesn't mean the refs are terrible. Overall, they are good. It's lame to blame them.

Yeah, just like every cop is clean. Ok.

Overall the majority are good. But to deny there are some crappy refs out there is naive imo. There's been some pretty good evidence in the B1G just this past week.
And no, I don't blame them for us losing. Everything isnt black & white.

 

[RedTeamUpstream94]

I’ll repeat what others have said since some (like bac) just can’t seem to comprehend: it is very possible to acknowledge that your team was outplayed AND complain that the refs completely sucked (those are not mutually exclusive things). No better example then this game. As basically every person here that’s complaining has said - we were never going to win that game, but it’s only reasonable to expect that the refs would provide an even playing field. And they clearly didn’t. Not even close. Fair thing to complain about.

. If a beer league softball team was playing the Yankees and the ump had a totally different strike zone for each team, the beer league team still have a legit reason to complain even if they’re down 40 in the second inning. Getting your *** kicked doesn’t deny you the right to have the game called squarely.

I think the paul T and McConnell F2 were also very telling. Both showed me just an utter lack of respect for Rutgers on the part of the refs. Very tellling. No way a blue blood program gets those. No way. The F2 was literally one of the most non-sensical, illogical calls I’ve ever seen. Almost deliberately like “shutup Rutgers and take it”. Caleb pushed in back - throws out his arms for balance (a natural reaction that we ALL INSTINCTIVELY do when falling forward) and an F2?!?????? Part of me wants to say they were sending a message but I’ll stop short of that and just say it’s just utter lack of respect for Rutgers.

...and Pikell continues to just let it happen

 

[FrankZ_RU93]

What was the exact time Myles got his first foul? The pin was heading for the balloon right there.

I sent ‘Game over’ text to my friend at 5:38 central, so a few seconds before that.

 

[RU MAN]

I'm sure Pike didn't see the Caleb thing well or if at all last night but now that he has had a chance to review it I sure freakin hope he comes out with a strong statement of support. (no pun intended)
That was an uncommon common foul and no bad intentions. Certainly not an F1 or F2. How frustrating and embarrassing that must have been for him. Not sure if our "friends" at ESPN picked up on it to have fun. But the last thing Caleb needs is to get an un-deserved rep.
Pike needs to say something strong and shut it down. Will he?

What's really frustrating is the same official who saw it "his" is officiating this morning's semi-final against Michigan and OSU. On at least 3 separate occasions this morning, Michigan hammered an OSU player driving to the basket and that official swallowed his whistle all three times. Don't tell me there's not a bias in the way games are officiated in the league because they do it all of the time for the perceived elite teams.

Oh and btw, there is 6:30 left in the first half and BOTH teams only have 2 fouls each. Hmmm.

 

[DHajekRC84]

What's really frustrating is the same official who saw it "his" is officiating this morning's semi-final against Michigan and OSU. On at least 3 separate occasions this morning, Michigan hammered an OSU player driving to the basket and that official swallowed his whistle all three times. Don't tell me there's not a bias in the way games are officiated in the league because they do it all of the time for the perceived elite teams.

Oh and btw, there is 6:30 left in the first half and BOTH teams only have 2 fouls each. Hmmm.

In today's age of blatant manipulation of everything in life..,no party side taken nor limited to politics...it is impossible college sports is not part of it. Overtly directed or sutlely influenced.
When money is involved..crazy sht happens.