Anyone see the end of the NW game. Glad NW won. Worst I’ve ever seen. Refs tried their best for MSU. I don’t care about either team but this got my blood boiling
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For the most part I don't have an issue with reffing. I think fans generally make more of it than we should.. but the end of the NW/MSU was a disgrace. 3 very borderline/shaky calls in a row. Hopefully there's a review on Tuesday.
Thanks for confirming. I agree with you. Refereeing is hard that that game ending was a disgrace
The most frustrating ref group is this group we have today for the Maryland game and almost every game at the RAC - tall bald Alien fish guy, short built guy with the slick back hair. They hate RU
It was an abomination. I don't recall seeing anything like it.
The jump ball, maybe I can see. The travel was awful. And the foul was a joke.
The jump ball, maybe I can see. The travel was awful. And the foul was a joke.
Our game is not much different. We get clobbered nothing. We touch them foul.
Big East refs were worse in the Seton Hall game. It was great
the end of that game was an absolute disgrace.
NW had to win it 3 times.
NW had to win it 3 times.
There is a tendency for referees to give favorable calls to the home team and those highly rated.
I work HS basketball scoreboard games and let me tell you………the parents notice and would be very loud about it
That’s been going on forever, often against RU, cause we were (are) often the underdog. But this game seemed awfully egregious
I thought NW got away with a lot the whole second half. Maybe the refs had NW to beat the spread but MSU to win.
Yes. That's right. I am suggesting that legal sports betting (and a general trend toward everyone wanting "theirs" no matter what it takes) will.. or has.. resulted in some dirty refs out there and one day it will be proven.
Whether or not you agree with the premise, I’d like to see Pike more vocal and animated on the sidelines.
I was shocked that he finally got vocal on a call in the second half.. he needs to do that.. especially when he is correct.
- the elbow that missed hitting Miller's head.. he should have been in their faces about that. Did he see that? I don't know.. did anyone alert him to that.. I don't know.
- the call that got him animated.. offensive foul on Caleb.. a turnover.. CLEARLY the same MD defender.. Russell I think.. tried the same move over and over.. grab R guy's arm.. bring it toward his head and throw his head back... sure we got a review on that one.. to see if Caleb should be called for throwing an elbow at his head.. instead of seeing that the guy flopped.. doing a different kind of hook and hold.
Yes the turnovers were bad but the 13-0 ridiculous advantage in foul shot scoring was embarrassing by the refs. Just as big a factor as the turnovers. Anybody who thinks otherwise is merely sticking head in the sand. 2nd half refs were actually fair and a 22 point swing.
I actually didn’t think the calls were that bad with the exception of the charge on Mulcahy. When you don’t go inside with ball, you don’t get calls.
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no it was caleb.. but I know the charge you are talking about. the foul I am talking about was Caleb calling for the ball and the little guy running up to him and sticking his head on his arm then flopping as the ball came to Caleb.
EDIT: Oh wait... as you and mugrat said.. maybe THAT was when Pike finally got vocal. Got it.
The ref in question on the Caleb player-control foul was the tall bald ref. He was not watching the play but was following the ball.. he only saw the flop at the end, not how it happened. It probably did look to him like Caleb used his arm to brush the little guy off.... but it was still a bad call and another ref should have corrected it.. especially after looking at the replay (as I said they looked at it to see if it should have been a flagrant by Caleb.. they ruled NOT.. but shold have just revedrsed it to a flop by Russel).
Late in the game you can watch Russel follow Geo with the ball and pull his arm and throw his head back as if Geo elbowed him. He was also the guy who used two hands to grab Caleb's arm on a break-away-ish turnover and pull him down and was only called for a common foul.
Refereeing isn't changing the fact that Nebraska and Maryland are the 2 worst teams in the B1G and should win both pairs of the matchup, vs Maryland, @ Nebraska. Hopefully, this gives us momentum into the home game against Iowa.
The elbow to the face?? Geo fouled on goal tending call? Mulcahy walk call? Mulcahy was getting bodied pretty good? I thought calls were pretty bad.
I think what he meant was that if you looked at the vast bulk of calls against Rutgers.. they were technically correct. The second half had the most questionable calls in that regard.
The problem for me.. and others I'd imagine.. was that there was no balance. Maryland would get away with stuff we'd get called for.
Their PG Russell repeated traveled.. and badly.. changing pivot feet.. shuffling them as he received the ball.. which often goes uncalled.. the extra step in "catching" the ball... but then he'd shuffle both feet in taking off before he'd dribble... repeatedly! And to allow that and to call that travel on Paul? Unconscionable. Russel also carried the ball badly many times. Was called only once, iirc. One time, while supposedly dribbling continuously, he suspended the ball in the air.. which often goes uncalled.. then brought it forward but thought better of it.. stopped the ball going forward and then brought it backwards... all in full open view of everyone. It was the "magic bullet" move.
I didnt have a problem with the refs today...there was one really bad call in the 2nd half where they called Mulcahy for a charge
RU didnt draw any first half fouls because we were shooting almost everything from the perimeter,
didnt see an issue in the first half because RU was fouling trying to play catch up on D. They were flustered after missing on offense and MD was simply attacking and driving and getting the calls. Good strategy by them. We settled down in the 2nd half and I thought the way they officiated in that half was to our benefit since we were the ones playing tougher D getting into the lanes.
RU didnt draw any first half fouls because we were shooting almost everything from the perimeter,
didnt see an issue in the first half because RU was fouling trying to play catch up on D. They were flustered after missing on offense and MD was simply attacking and driving and getting the calls. Good strategy by them. We settled down in the 2nd half and I thought the way they officiated in that half was to our benefit since we were the ones playing tougher D getting into the lanes.
. You NEVER admit when the refs affect the game. I find odd your utter refusal to admit that, sometimes, the officiating gives one team the advantage over the other.
with that said. I agree with you on this matter about today (and I said it at half time when we were down big). Sure there were a few bad calls (the ridiculous charge on paul and the attempted purposeful elbow to miller’s face) but I didn’t see a plethora of bad calls against RU and I am sure Maryland fans could point to a few from their perspective.
the difference in the game was Rutgers. First half literally EVERY player (except Harper on offense) was playing HORRIBLY. Geo was absent. Paul a TO machine. Cliff dropped how many passes/ rebounds?
they completely turned it around in the second half
frankly if you attribute the difference in the halves to officiating then you’re simply not giving the team proper credit for their effort and execution in the 2nd half (and conversely not acknowledging how poorly we played in the first)
I believe Maryland rolled it and they never touched the ball until half court since we did not pressure.
on refs, I just dont think by and large you can say we get screwed by refs, people fell back on that last year with Myles but he was almost always guility of stupid fouls so when there was a bad call which there always will be, it really mattered.
people like to point out the foul calls made on RU but not the ones that they didnt call that RU may have committed.
RU commits their most fouls when their shots are not falling...shu and first half of today.
That's true but this was ridiculous. It was RU-St. Johns in the Big East Tournament bad. That's how bad it was.
See there I disagree. Yea Myles had a tendency to foul early in his time here. But later in his time here there were a # of games where he was getting completely HOSED by the refs. The refs literally took him out of a few games.
then you have likes of Garza (and a few other “chosen” bigs in the Big10) that completely get away with murder/ get foul calls when the opposing big (eg , Myles) looks in their direction
if you don’t see that then I can’t help you
Fwiw - just to show that I’m not completely biased I think that cliff gets a fair shake. Now certainly the refs don’t favor him (like Garza, etc) but they also don’t routinely HOSE him like they did Myles