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my mistake as I mentioned elsewhere rivals defaults to the 2016 class, which was last....sorry
At what point do we...
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my mistake as I mentioned elsewhere rivals defaults to the 2016 class, which was last....sorry
Be careful what you look at.
Rivals Big 10 list is wrong--it only accounts for 18 of our recruits. On the list for all conferences when all 23 recruits are counted, we rank 7th. On 247 we rank 7th
Total BS. Do you follow Sports ? Maryland has not recruited well in their Home state over the last 20 years.
The last 10 years their classes averaged only 1 or 2 Top 10 Maryland recruits every year (except in '08 and '09 when they got 3 under Fridge). Durkin now has 5 Top 10 Maryland recruits this year ..#13 Class nationally. We should be so fortunate with our Recruiting in State.
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agreed.... IMHO I doubt that just an injection of money into a program sways a recruit, or has an immediate effect...... the recruit sees the coach and assistants in his living room, looks at the stadium, etc..... money does not change what the recruit sees, unless you
use that money for a significantly better coach and stadium improvements
the other thing that affects the recruit IS the football culture in the state.... I went to the away Arkansas game for example, and that state is all in, I could easily see that program keeping most of the instate recruits, with a good head coach
as you mention, Maryland is not a big football culture draw, yet, and has not killed it in
recruiting over the 10 years you mentioned
I don't think Durkin is that big leap forward, in the sense of being a name coach....to me, it just looks like he is a hell of
a recruiter...... I think Durkin has done a better job of selling this year, and we can hope that we do so in the future
the current AD Pat Hobbs became permanent athletic director November 29, 2015
- immediate priority was find new Football Coach & begin work on all of athletics
on March 10, 2016 Pat Hobbs fired Eddie Jordan - the day after the season ended
so Hobbs - on his watch gave Jordan approximately 100 days ... (and in all reality, probably needed far less than that to make his decision - heck, with Hobbs's general knowledge, getting a new B-Ball HC might have been one of the things he promised Barchi he would do in his first 100 days)
In regards to Ash - If Hobbs were to see a serious convincing irreparable deficiency in the overall way in which Ash is guiding the program - it would not be a shock to see a sudden change made - but - if in Hobbs' judgment, Ash is genuinely building a solid foundation - if Hobbs sees that a path to contending in the B1G is being paved - Ash gets an extension - and certainly is not left hanging out there as a lame duck.
He was hired on 12/7/2015, two full months before signing day. Of course, he didn't show up for work in Piscataway until after his bowl game with ND on 1/1/2016. It's his class. He had plenty of time to put his stamp on the '16 class by adding players he liked and pulling ships for players he didn't. And don't tell me you can't or shouldn't do the latter. We saw Harbaugh do it and we see Edsall doing it this year.
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lol...... I guess I have to apologize a 3rd time in this thread for looking at the 2016 class.....here goes!
Hobbs have been Rutgers AD for three years?
I'm pretty sure Al Golden or Greg Schiano (4 years after he threw Rutgers under the bus right before signing day) would have had Rutgers in the NC championship game, beating Bama by 17??? Right???
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lol...... I guess I have to apologize a 3rd time in this thread for looking at the 2016 class.....here goes!
Hahaha sorry!
Even if he started 12/7, two months is not sufficient time to make a class yours. Can they affect the final class, yes they can. Ash did add a couple players to the class. Recruiting is about developing relationships with players. Two months is no where near enough time to establish much of a relationship. Bottom line, this 2017 class is his first class.
Durkin was hired because Edsall had poor results on the field. Ash was hired because Flood had poor results on the field and a real shitshow off the field creating a terrible perception of RU for recruits.
So you're going to ignore all the major issues Ash faced coming in? Neither Harbaugh nor Edsall had to deal with what RU had gone thru. I really can't believe you would even bring up Edsall with his history of scumbag moves.
Harbaugh was hired in Dec 2014. The 2015 Michigan recruiting class finished 51st.
Stop bringing in actual facts darn it:stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
Pulling scholarships would have been an absolute disaster. Look at the negative press Edsall got, now imagine how that would have been for the state school of NJ after a year of off the field issues. In two months, Ash landed a couple recruits that would be up there with anyone Flood got and threw out a couple offers to the powerhouse parochial's. Anyone who is upset with that is insane.
That may be true but not germane to my point. He did pull some ships and replace with someone he thought more suited for his style, no ?
Yes - Ash was assessing the class - out making home visits, trying to re-secure certain recruits & as he got staff on board - they were out there.
Don't fall for the fallacious nonsense argument that an idle / leisurely approach was taken in December /January 2015 - it is fundamentally without merit - you could debate some points of choices that were made - but if you actually look at the reality
- it cannot be argued that 'nothing' was being done - when you truthfully acknowledge the facts of the hiring time line - and truthfully acknowledge the amount of consideration and preparation time that has to go into making each staff addition:
December 7 - Official hiring of Head Coach Chris Ash - Ohio State
December 9 - Special Teams Coordinator Vince Okruch - Ohio State
December 13 - Offensive Coordinator Drew Mehringer - Houston
December 18 - Head Strength & Conditioning Coach Kenny Parker – Ohio State
December 19 - Assistant Strength Coach Gary Beemer - Hawaii
December 22 - Offensive Line Coach A.J. Blazek - Western Illinois
December 24 - Wide Receivers Coach Zak Kuhr - James Madison
December 28 - Assistant Defensive Backs Coach Aaron Henry - Arkansas
December 29 - Defensive Backs Coach Bill Busch – Ohio State
December 30 - Defensive Coordinator Jay Niemann - Northern Illinois
December 31 - Defensive Line Coach Shane Burnham – Iowa State
December 31 - Assistant Strength and Conditioning Coach –Luke Rose – U of Akron
January 3 - Dir of HS Relations – Rick Mantz - Passaic HS & former pres. New Jersey Football Coaches Association
January 4- Director of Recruiting - Adam Caltury – Ohio State
January 6- Director of Player Development - Nick Quartaro - North Texas
January 15 -Running Backs Coach – Jafir Williams – Purdue University
January 15 -Asst Strength & Conditioning - Justin Springer – Kansas University
Like any new staff - somethings worked - something did not - and somethings - well ... maybe they will click this year .
11 of the 18 players Rutgers signed last year committed on 1/15 or after. If you look at the players that committed before he got here, 6 of the 7 are good looking prospects so he didn't need to pull any scholarships. The one guy that wasn't a fit, left in the summer and dropped down to FCS.
You are helping to make my point. Two months is not enough time to consider the 2016 class to be Ash's recruiting class given the lack of time to establish relationships with players and all of the organizational stuff you listed.
Precisely - but also - to say (and you were not - someone else was) that Ash's fulfillment of his obligation to OSU meant that he took anything in the way of a casual approach to the start of this job is totally wrong.
To the people wondering how Maryland is ahead of Rutgers. Rutgers football highlight was 2006 where they didn't even win their conference and ended with a win over Kansas St. in the Texas bowl. Rutgers has never won their conference outright in a major conference. Kyle Flood bringing down the perception of Rutgers football with his stupidity and horrible recruiting. Rutgers was in the Big East for years.
Maryland has won a national title and has won the ACC plenty of times. Maryland has played in a BCS bowl. Maryland has more money coming in. Maryland just came off a 6 win season while Rutgers won 2 games. Their perception is a lot better than Rutgers by everyone
I like to think I'm more of the optimistic Rutgers fan but I think most can rationally see Maryland is ahead of Rutgers. I think we need to give Ash some time before we give him any judgement. His recruiting this year is a miracle to what he's had to pick up and what a bad season they had this year
Maryland has won a national title and has won the ACC plenty of times. Maryland has played in a BCS bowl. Maryland has more money coming in. Maryland just came off a 6 win season while Rutgers won 2 games. Their perception is a lot better than Rutgers by everyone
I like to think I'm more of the optimistic Rutgers fan but I think most can rationally see Maryland is ahead of Rutgers. I think we need to give Ash some time before we give him any judgement. His recruiting this year is a miracle to what he's had to pick up and what a bad season they had this year
This is his 1st real class. Ash honored all of the schollies that Flood gave away. last year. We all saw what happens when you don't do that with Uconn this year, they name is mud now with NJ coaches.
It's not "germane to your point" because it straight up destroys whatever point you thought you had.
Time to jump ship (see what I did there!)
I don't know if Ash's goal in the future is to close 5 out of the top 10 NJ recruits or to close on the equivalent of the top 5 of 10 NJ players. I think you see some big OOS recruits high on Ash's board for 2018.
Edsall consistently landed top 40 classes. not great, but commensurate with our stature in the college football world. hated edsall, but that's because he's a turd of a coach who lost the team one game into his career. now durkin is killing it, and we couldn't be happier right now.
The window of opportunity for this team to win x amount of games is seriously compromised by some of the teams they have to face. Putting aside the adage "on any given saturday", teams like OSU, Michigan and the like give us no chance of really hoping to win. The distance between our program and some of the BIG elite in Grand Canyon like. Realistically, the best you can hope for is to keep it from being truly embarrassing.
After all most half a century of my RU fandom, I have no idea if we will ever become a real power program, but we can certainly become a program that plays solid ball and represents well. Right now, we are deservedly the worst team in the league. That can and should change.
After all most half a century of my RU fandom, I have no idea if we will ever become a real power program, but we can certainly become a program that plays solid ball and represents well. Right now, we are deservedly the worst team in the league. That can and should change.
Edsell was 22-34 at Terp, going 0-2 in bowls. RU was 34 - 18 in that time, going 1 - 2 in bowls. We beat them in the first year in the big, close game, they beat us in the second, close game. Edsell's recruiting from 2015 backwards was 55, 48, 33, 36, 44, RU was 54, 58, 44, 25, 32.. Maryland averages about 5000 les fans per game than we do but we had some bad PR and there is an assumption that Under A gives them all kinds of money. Taking this all into account the programs were fairly close prior to 2016.