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LadyCaytIL

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I think it's safe to say that us, Duke fans, and certainly the media, hyped up Duke a bit too much after beating a Kentucky team whose performance was horrific.

Army was within 10 points for much of that game. Duke is not the world beaters everyone thought..

People will hype them up because they don’t want to think we are bad ... then people will downplay them later to give hope for beating them later on in April

It’s the psychology of hope..... people will do mental gymnastics to keep hope alive
 
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Duke hit over 40% from 3 in both games so the idea that they “hit everything” vs uk is false. This is just how they are going to shoot.

The idea that uk “will have improved a lot more than they (duke) will” is just wishful thinking. Both teams will improve but there’s no reason to think uk’s improvement will be exponentially better. Hell, if you go by how prepared they both were for game one, you might have a better case that uk will improve more slowly.

It’s mind boggling that duke shoots over 40% from 3 and wins by 22 and people are using that as a reason for optimism. Smh

While I agree with you in general........I don't think you could take two games of shooting and conclude this is what they will shoot.

If Duke shoots 40% or higher on average from 3 point.............I'll be surprised. There's not a lot of teams that do that in a given season.
 

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Completely different player IMO. Larry Johnson was a very good athlete but nowhere near Zion. Zion is a freak with his speed and overall athleticism.
I think the comparison is more about their bodies, but their games aren't that much different either. I totally agree about Zion's athleticism. I'd never seen him before the UK game. KSR had me convinced he was fat and out of shape lol. He's an absolute freak. I'm not sure we've ever seen anything exactly like him before.
 
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That was Duke’s ceiling and Kentucky’s floor. Roles are still being defined for UK while Duke has known how they were going to play since they signed. Got to admit that Zion looks like Randle a bit during the early part of the season but Zion will come back to Earth like it did for Randle. It’s fun to watch until weaknesses are exposed. Have fun it won’t last for long.
Well all offseason most of this board said Duke team wouldn’t mesh well while Kentucky group of guys fit.

Funny the narrative now around here
 

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Well all offseason most of this board said Duke team wouldn’t mesh well while Kentucky group of guys fit.

Funny the narrative now around here

Basketball wise Kentucky has more pieces that need to be looked at and arranged to fit. If Duke can get the floor spacing they did against Kentucky all year then I'd be worried. But they won't. Lane is going to get pretty muddy the rest of the year for the Dookies.
 

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Uh..... score?


Smh
 
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You guys need to pick a lane and stay with it.

One poster concludes that Duke isn't as good as people thought . . . based on two games, both of which were 20+ point wins.

Right after that, another poster says that no one should compare Zion to anyone yet . . . because it's only two games into the season.

Either you can make firm judgments after two games or you can't. In both cases, the person posting opts for the choice that puts Duke in a less flattering light. It's a rather fine echo chamber you have going here.
I have stayed in the same lane. I think some in the media and on this board are a bunch of morons. Two games in and they think Duke can compete with an NBA team, Zion is better than Larry Johnson and will lead his team to multiple NBA championships, and Coach Cal is awful. Idiotic is too nice a word for those ridiculous conclusions 5 days into a season.
 

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I have stayed in the same lane. I think some in the media and on this board are a bunch of morons. Two games in and they think Duke can compete with an NBA team, Zion is better than Larry Johnson and will lead his team to multiple NBA championships, and Coach Cal is awful. Idiotic is too nice a word for those ridiculous conclusions 5 days into a season.

Who said Zion will lead a team to multiple NBA championships?
 
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LadyCaytIL

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I didn’t read all 4 pages but did anyone mention yet that K wouldn’t want to embarrass his alma mater?
 
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I have stayed in the same lane. I think some in the media and on this board are a bunch of morons. Two games in and they think Duke can compete with an NBA team, Zion is better than Larry Johnson and will lead his team to multiple NBA championships, and Coach Cal is awful. Idiotic is too nice a word for those ridiculous conclusions 5 days into a season.
Saw the line on Duke vs. Cavs was 22.5 points. Don't think anyone thought that too seriously.

I'm convinced Zion is better than Larry Johnson. I also think he's going to win NPOY.

Coach Cal seems unprepared this season, he seems too hands off and that's not what this team needs. I'm sure he'll get things straight.
 

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Saw the line on Duke vs. Cavs was 22.5 points. Don't think anyone thought that too seriously.

I'm convinced Zion is better than Larry Johnson. I also think he's going to win NPOY.

Coach Cal seems unprepared this season, he seems too hands off and that's not what this team needs. I'm sure he'll get things straight.

You sure seem to make a lot of suggestions about what UK, the UK fans, and Cal should do....
 
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People will hype them up because they don’t want to think we are bad ... then people will downplay them later to give hope for beating them later on in April

It’s the psychology of hope..... people will do mental gymnastics to keep hope alive

This is beautiful.
 
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Son_Of_Saul

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Saw the line on Duke vs. Cavs was 22.5 points. Don't think anyone thought that too seriously.

I'm convinced Zion is better than Larry Johnson. I also think he's going to win NPOY.

Coach Cal seems unprepared this season, he seems too hands off and that's not what this team needs. I'm sure he'll get things straight.

Thanks for your contrived, patronizing concern. We all feel better now that you've posted from your spot on the bandwagon.

Oh, and I piss on the notion that you went to Duke. You didn't.
 
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Thanks for your contrived, patronizing concern. We all feel better now that you've posted from your spot on the bandwagon.

Oh, and I piss on the notion that you went to Duke. You didn't.
Dude, did you recently find a thesaurus? Your recent posts make me think you did. Very painfully contrived attempt to look smart.



Not sure why you think I would lie about graduating from Duke but honestly couldn't care less what you think.
 

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Dude, did you recently find a thesaurus? Your recent posts make me think you did. Very painfully contrived attempt to look smart.



Not sure why you think I would lie about graduating from Duke but honestly couldn't care less what you think.


I love that insulted me, then posted a childish comic clip. That was outstanding.

Shows that you really care, you fraudulent Duke graduate.
 
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Mike-D

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Well all offseason most of this board said Duke team wouldn’t mesh well while Kentucky group of guys fit.

Funny the narrative now around here

Did you not watch the Bahamas? It’s not like people were pulling it out of their ***. This team has just laid over and died.
 

Mike-D

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Saw the line on Duke vs. Cavs was 22.5 points. Don't think anyone thought that too seriously.

I'm convinced Zion is better than Larry Johnson. I also think he's going to win NPOY.

Coach Cal seems unprepared this season, he seems too hands off and that's not what this team needs. I'm sure he'll get things straight.

2 games in and Zion is better than Larry Johnson?

Are we supposed to care that Duke is 20+ dogs to the worst team in the NBA? Your team has 3 NBA players. The Cavs have a full team of NBA players.

Dude, it’s November. Yes, we are bad right now. I’ve seen the same **** from a lot of our teams this time of year. John Wall had to hit a buzzer beater to beat Miami Ohio.

Did you tutor Belle Knox?
 
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You sure seem to make a lot of suggestions about what UK, the UK fans, and Cal should do....
Did you read the Duke pregame threads? I predicted we would lose. I also said and still believe we will win the National Championship. Adversity has a way to destroy or focus a team. I believe Coach Cal will use this to focus this team. By late February, this team will be hitting its stride. As for Zion, I hope the kid does well. He has a lot of pressure on him. But predicting how great he will be off 2 games is flat out ridiculous IMO. That doesn't mean he won't be great but it means that I believe this world (including some fans on here) loves to skyrocket a person into the stratosphere quickly and then tear that same person apart when he (or she) doesn't measure up to stratospheric standards.
 

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Did you not watch the Bahamas? It’s not like people were pulling it out of their ***. This team has just laid over and died.
Yes I watched the Bahamas games. We looked great but Duke also looked great in Canada .

So by that logic most should have felt like both teams had good chemistry.
 

Mike-D

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Yes I watched the Bahamas games. We looked great but Duke also looked great in Canada .

So by that logic most should have felt like both teams had good chemistry.

Duke was missing Reddish and Jones. Not sure how anyone could have felt anything about chemistry minus 2 starters.
 

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Basketball wise Kentucky has more pieces that need to be looked at and arranged to fit. If Duke can get the floor spacing they did against Kentucky all year then I'd be worried. But they won't. Lane is going to get pretty muddy the rest of the year for the Dookies.

I’m seriously interested in how a “muddy lane” could even make the list of concerns for Duke. They will be playing 4-5 out all season and their bigs demand zero post touches. They also clearly want to play in transition as often as possible.
Could you expand on that thought a bit so maybe I can see what you’re seeing with that prediction?
 

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Dude, did you recently find a thesaurus? Your recent posts make me think you did. Very painfully contrived attempt to look smart.



Not sure why you think I would lie about graduating from Duke but honestly couldn't care less what you think.

I THINK honestly you are a troll.
All dook fans lie and you are the king of fabrication mountain.
 

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I didn’t read all 4 pages but did anyone mention yet that K wouldn’t want to embarrass his alma mater?

Army at many times was within suing digits. That's not going easy on your Alma Mater. You do that by staying 20+ points ahead all game and not letting it get past 35+.

Cam Reddish had a good start shooting, but then he cooled off.. RJ and Zion never quite got going.. What they did against Kentucky was more just us being unprepared and a bit of blind luck. Zion hitting a 3 pointer in his first game?
 

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I had Zion better than Larry as a jr. He played better at the same age and put up better stats at the same stage. When the media hyped up Anthony Davis after his second game did you question it or agree? When things are obvious they are obvious it’s really that simple. And like everyone including me on this board says every year “freshmen only get better as the season goes along”. Does that not apply anymore?


Right now we are going by the sample size we have, it is yet to be seen if Rookie Zion will be better than Rookie LJ and he probably won’t since LJ was 22-23 as a Rookie and Zion will be 18. But 18 year old Duke Zion is IMO better than 18 year old juco LJ and imo better than Jr year LJ after his first two games.

Whats funny is my friend who I work out with (Evric Grey who played with LJ at UNLV) says Zion is better now And even Larry hit him up and said he wish he could do some of the things Zion could do. He did also say he would have “bust Zion’s ***” in his day as well though lol

2 games in and Zion is better than Larry Johnson?

Are we supposed to care that Duke is 20+ dogs to the worst team in the NBA? Your team has 3 NBA players. The Cavs have a full team of NBA players.

Dude, it’s November. Yes, we are bad right now. I’ve seen the same **** from a lot of our teams this time of year. John Wall had to hit a buzzer beater to beat Miami Ohio.

Did you tutor Belle Knox?
 
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I’m seriously interested in how a “muddy lane” could even make the list of concerns for Duke. They will be playing 4-5 out all season and their bigs demand zero post touches. They also clearly want to play in transition as often as possible.
Could you expand on that thought a bit so maybe I can see what you’re seeing with that prediction?

Sure. Duke is best at attacking the rim. Just like Reid said, they get a lot of points via fouls. Teams will start throwing zones at them. 2-3, 1-3-1, box and one and having guys get back on defense. They've been hitting their outside shots but that won't last for long. The spacing in the lane is going to get muddy because if they can't attack the rim, they can't really reach their ceiling. Did I explain that well enough for you?
 
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I had Zion better than Larry as a jr. He played better at the same age and put up better stats at the same stage. When the media hyped up Anthony Davis after his second game did you question it or agree? When things are obvious they are obvious it’s really that simple. And like everyone including me on this board says every year “freshmen only get better as the season goes along”. Does that not apply anymore?

Nobody called Anthony Davis the best UK player of all time after 2 games. It’s earned. And I certainly don’t care that you had a HS Junior better than Larry Johnson. 2x NBA All-Star, NBA rookie of the year, NCAA national player of the year, and the 1991 #1 draft pick.
Does that mean it won’t hapoen? No.
 

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Sure. Duke is best at attacking the rim. Just like Reid said, they get a lot of points via fouls. Teams will start throwing zones at them. 2-3, 1-3-1, box and one and having guys get back on defense. They've been hitting their outside shots but that won't last for long. The spacing in the lane is going to get muddy because if they can't attack the rim, they can't really reach their ceiling. Did I explain that well enough for you?

What percentage do you think they’ll shoot from the outside for the whole season?
 

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I had Zion better than Larry as a jr. He played better at the same age and put up better stats at the same stage.

Is this really true? Not sure how you can make that claim with only a two game sample size for Zion.

I think some have forgotten what a holy terror the young Larry Johnson was, because they're only remembering the version from after his injuries. After his second year in the NBA, LJ suffered a serious back injury and then a succession of other injuries that really zapped a lot of his explosiveness and he was never the same player again. But BEFORE the injuries, holy hell, he was something else.

LJ in college was everyone's consensus National Player of the Year, carried UNLV to a national championship, and then an undefeated season, then was the No. 1 pick, then the NBA Rookie of the Year and an immediate NBA All Star who, before his injuries, was averaging around 22 points and 11 rebounds per game in the NBA.

Zion might be better than the young LJ. We'll see. but I'm sure not ready to declare that after seeing him in only two games (especially considering that it's debatable whether he's even the best player on his own team).
 
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Wow I’d take that bet all day if you were offering. Fwiw only 8 teams in all of D1 basketball shot under 30% last year.

That's why you should be concerned. Going from Tatum, Allen, Kennard, etc. to Zion Williamson shooting set-shot 3 pointers. LOL.
 
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