Armando Bacot Returning to UNC

Woodsmoke

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Yep! Teams even say as much. They are fine with Oscar getting boards all night long, because that takes him out of position on defense and other teams know they can target him over and over for easy scores. Getting 20 boards is cute and all, except when you give up 40 points.

Also, if Oscar wasn't clogging the lane, we could have driven the ball more instead of settling for jumpers we weren't making.

But, if he comes back, we can all get excited for the greatest rebounder in school history, another fringe tournament team and likely bounced in round 1 or round 2 because we can't defend or outscore other teams. Then we can blame everyone else except for the glaring 6'9 250# weakness, who was also known as an issue at WVU before he transfered here. But, yea, it's just a Cal and his current teammates that are the problem. 🙄
NPOY and 2nd team AA during his 2 years here and you're ready to kick him to the curb.
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sk73

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Yep! Teams even say as much. They are fine with Oscar getting boards all night long, because that takes him out of position on defense and other teams know they can target him over and over for easy scores. Getting 20 boards is cute and all, except when you give up 40 points.

Also, if Oscar wasn't clogging the lane, we could have driven the ball more instead of settling for jumpers we weren't making.

But, if he comes back, we can all get excited for the greatest rebounder in school history, another fringe tournament team and likely bounced in round 1 or round 2 because we can't defend or outscore other teams. Then we can blame everyone else except for the glaring 6'9 250# weakness, who was also known as an issue at WVU before he transfered here. But, yea, it's just a Cal and his current teammates that are the problem. 🙄
How does rebounding a ball put you out of position on defense?
Also our offensive efficiency rating was close to number one at the end of the season. If reeves had made 20% of his shots, we win. He was averaging 40+%.
 

anon1751545683

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Davis is not a good coach. I'm glad UNC has him. A coach can ride a year off the previous coach but then you have to do something yourself. It happens too often to be coincidental. Doh had one good year. Tubby here. White after Donovan. You would think that UNC would have known better since they had their Tubby with Doh. But they didn't learn. Turgeon following BCG at TT after BCG rebuilt that program is another one. 1 good year and then he had to do it himself.

That's when the coach leaves with the program in good standing.
 

Indymycats

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I will help him pack if he needs it.
If Im Davis Im having Bacot call his buddy immidiately. Interchangeable players with little drop off if either is in foul trouble. Plenty of NIL money at Carolina Im sure for Oscar. That front court would be pretty impressive.
 
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catzfanjim

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Yep! Teams even say as much. They are fine with Oscar getting boards all night long, because that takes him out of position on defense and other teams know they can target him over and over for easy scores. Getting 20 boards is cute and all, except when you give up 40 points.

Also, if Oscar wasn't clogging the lane, we could have driven the ball more instead of settling for jumpers we weren't making.

But, if he comes back, we can all get excited for the greatest rebounder in school history, another fringe tournament team and likely bounced in round 1 or round 2 because we can't defend or outscore other teams. Then we can blame everyone else except for the glaring 6'9 250# weakness, who was also known as an issue at WVU before he transfered here. But, yea, it's just a Cal and his current teammates that are the problem. 🙄
When you rebound the ball doesn’t that give teammates a chance to score? It’s not Oscars fault that Cal doesn’t know how to coach.
 
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Blue Tang

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How does rebounding a ball put you out of position on defense?
Also our offensive efficiency rating was close to number one at the end of the season. If reeves had made 20% of his shots, we win. He was averaging 40+%.
Have you never played or watched basketball before?

Our efficiency was inflated by the fact we averaged an insanely high offensive rebound rate. We still lost 13 games with that efficiency rating.
 
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BigBlueGuru

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Physical teams like Kansas St. causes rhythm problems for shooters. That is why teams play physical a lot and trap a lot is because it causes chaos and disrupts the offensive flow. Bottom line is we only had 1 player that had been shooting somewhat consistent and that was Reeves. Once Kansas St. got into his head the game was over because we didn't have another offensive weapon. You can't blame it on Oscar he more than did his job and gave us at least 20 more possessions than Kansas St. had to score. We just didn't have the players to score. Been typical for several of Cal's teams as he values athletes who aren't usually good shooters and usually bad free throw shooters.
 
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catzfanjim

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What have we won in that time?

I don’t think Oscar's personal accomplishments help the team much, but again, we have a lot of Oscar first fans.
Just like our coach is a NBA first coach and doesn’t care about Kentucky.
 

sa_hunt

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Have you never played or watched basketball before?

Our efficiency was inflated by the fact we averaged an insanely high offensive rebound rate. We still lost 13 games with that efficiency rating.
They dudes clamoring about Oscar back ain’t watched a game, they look at stats and don’t have a clue about the inner workings of a game. They’ve never played ball.
 
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bnewt

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Bacot holds UNC back similar to Oscar and UK. Why some of you are so hell-bent on repeating the last 2 years with Oscar here again is beyond me. Can't defend, can't shoot, clogs the lane. And other teams now just attack him over and over and over, and they gladly let him have every rebound he wants because he can't beat you that way.
wow a unanimous player of the year & 2 time all american, thatled the nation in rebounding 2 straight years, isn't' good enough to play for a UK program that has sunken to the bottom of the barrel and can't even win the SEC or win a game in the SEC tournament. IF there was a coach on the payroll, he would come up with a defense that would stop some of those problems, but since UK is stuck with ccc, that won't happen
 
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BBNinSC_rivals62411

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I'd love to have Oscar back. Move him over to the power forward spot with Ugo and Bradshaw at the center.
I could start getting excited for next season
 

Blue Tang

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When you rebound the ball doesn’t that give teammates a chance to score? It’s not Oscars fault that Cal doesn’t know how to coach.
Not when you bring it down to your waist repeatedly getting it stripped. Not when you don't pass it out for the easier shot and instead try to go back up with multiple defenders ready to block. Not when you end up taking out multiple teammates fighting for the rebound. Not when you end up committing fouls fighting for or going over the back of another player to get the rebound. All of those are things Oscar does often. I have watched Oscar get 3 offensive rebounds on 1 possessions, take all 3 putback attempts himself without ever passing the ball, and miss a 3. And that's happened countless times.
Just like our coach is a NBA first coach and doesn’t care about Kentucky.
Ohh, okay...
wow a unanimous player of the year & 2 time all american, thatled the nation in rebounding 2 straight years, isn't' good enough to play for a UK program that has sunken to the bottom of the barrel and can't even win the SEC or win a game in the SEC tournament. IF there was a coach on the payroll, he would come up with a defense that would stop some of those problems, but since UK is stuck with ccc, that won't happen
Or they would find a player that fits better with the way you like your teams to play and that fits the current game. You're still free to cheer Oscar wherever he may go. No one will stop you!
 

K_TIME

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If he blocks that many more a game, that's over 3 per game, plus likely a lot more he alters. Hell yea! He can't get here fast enough in my eyes. Plus, he can actually shoot and stretch the floor out to the 3pt line. Much more atheltic and agile. Can switch on defense and can actually play above the rim. Much like a modern 5. Then, we also have Ugonna. I will gladly take them over Oscar at this point.

"Bradshaw has elite tools for a developing modern day big with size, mobility, fluidity, multiple bounces, good hands, use of his left, signs of a budding jump hook, a high release in the lane, and a very soft touch that extends out to the arc. He’s also one of the best rim protectors in the country. His motor, which was a concern as an underclassman, has made consistent strides over the years. Physically, he has high and narrow shoulders on a frame that needs to bulk up in order to hold his position on both ends of the floor. He can struggle to plant and pivot when asked to reverse the ball as a trailer, lacks a reliable niche to his individual offense (although he’s yet to be showcased as a team’s primary option), and seems to have questionable awareness at times. He puts up good rebounding numbers and shows flashes of getting balls above the rim, but has other moments when he relies on his length instead of truly going to get the ball. While the consistency of his motor and overall productivity are still works in progress, they’re clearly trending in the right direction. Long-term, his upside is as a 7-footer who can stretch the floor vertically and to the arc, be a rim-runner, and versatile defender who both protects the rim and can move his feet on the perimeter. "
You have no idea about Bradshaw....he won't hit 10 3pters next year...bank that. He is a project and some of you need to chill on some of the guys in next year's class. The days of UK being plus 15 on the boards will be long gone with what we have today manning the paint. And you do realize Oscar averaged 1 block a game....it's not like he was the worst ever at rim protection.

I do see our defense improving without Oscar....but we are way overblowing Oscar on D. Just about any Center is going to struggle guarding pick and rolls alot in Cal's no zone ever philosophy.

But keep hating on a kid that was NPOY and assumign the next burger boy is all that and a bag of chips. YOu'd think after 14 years of this you'd remember the past a bit better.
 
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bnewt

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Yep! Teams even say as much. They are fine with Oscar getting boards all night long, because that takes him out of position on defense and other teams know they can target him over and over for easy scores. Getting 20 boards is cute and all, except when you give up 40 points.

Also, if Oscar wasn't clogging the lane, we could have driven the ball more instead of settling for jumpers we weren't making.

But, if he comes back, we can all get excited for the greatest rebounder in school history, another fringe tournament team and likely bounced in round 1 or round 2 because we can't defend or outscore other teams. Then we can blame everyone else except for the glaring 6'9 250# weakness, who was also known as an issue at WVU before he transfered here. But, yea, it's just a Cal and his current teammates that are the problem. 🙄
next years team will be a rerun of the last 2 years, just a different group of faces
as long as ccc runs the same crap offense & never changes defense nothing will change
the only good thing over these past 2 years has been Oscar
 

Blue Tang

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You have no idea about Bradshaw....he won't hit 10 3pters next year...bank that. He is a project and some of you need to chill on some of the guys in next year's class. The days of UK being plus 15 on the boards will be long gone with what we have today manning the paint. And you do realize Oscar averaged 1 block a game....it's not like he was the worst ever at rim protection.

I do see our defense improving without Oscar....but we are way overblowing Oscar on D. Just about any Center is going to struggle guarding pick and rolls alot in Cal's no zone ever philosophy.

But keep hating on a kid that was NPOY and assumign the next burger boy is all that and a bag of chips. YOu'd think after 14 years of this you'd remember the past a bit better.
Ohh, Lord. One of those...

I have watched him play several times and see a very skilled big who can shoot, play d, plays above the rim and most importantly blocks and alters a lot of shots. Will he require development from hs to college? Uhh..yea. They all do. He is still far more of what you see from current 5's than what Oscar is. Every analyst agrees with this assessment as well. So, I think I'll go with what they are saying over a random message board poster.

How are we overblowing Oscar's d? There are video after video showing how bad it is. Opposing coaches and players openly discuss it before and after games. It's pretty glaring if you actually watch. We seem to have had a lot that didn't struggle anywhere close to Oscar.

Where have I ever hated on Oscar? Honestly...show me.

I do. I remember Cousins, Davis, Noel, WCS, Towns, Richards, Bam, Jones and so on. We were pretty good with most of them.

next years team will be a rerun of the last 2 years, just a different group of faces
as long as ccc runs the same crap offense & never changes defense nothing will change
the only good thing over these past 2 years has been Oscar
Ohh, okay.
 

NociHTTP

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If he blocks that many more a game, that's over 3 per game, plus likely a lot more he alters. Hell yea! He can't get here fast enough in my eyes. Plus, he can actually shoot and stretch the floor out to the 3pt line. Much more atheltic and agile. Can switch on defense and can actually play above the rim. Much like a modern 5. Then, we also have Ugonna. I will gladly take them over Oscar at this point.

"Bradshaw has elite tools for a developing modern day big with size, mobility, fluidity, multiple bounces, good hands, use of his left, signs of a budding jump hook, a high release in the lane, and a very soft touch that extends out to the arc. He’s also one of the best rim protectors in the country. His motor, which was a concern as an underclassman, has made consistent strides over the years. Physically, he has high and narrow shoulders on a frame that needs to bulk up in order to hold his position on both ends of the floor. He can struggle to plant and pivot when asked to reverse the ball as a trailer, lacks a reliable niche to his individual offense (although he’s yet to be showcased as a team’s primary option), and seems to have questionable awareness at times. He puts up good rebounding numbers and shows flashes of getting balls above the rim, but has other moments when he relies on his length instead of truly going to get the ball. While the consistency of his motor and overall productivity are still works in progress, they’re clearly trending in the right direction. Long-term, his upside is as a 7-footer who can stretch the floor vertically and to the arc, be a rim-runner, and versatile defender who both protects the rim and can move his feet on the perimeter. "
I'm reaching the point of seeing what the new class brings rather than ever giving a thought as to whether Cal will do anything with that class. That's what Cal has turned us into: a showcase for NBA talent that never matures here.
 
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sk73

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Have you never played or watched basketball before?

Our efficiency was inflated by the fact we averaged an insanely high offensive rebound rate. We still lost 13 games with that efficiency rating.
I coached HS basketball for several years, thank you.
I am asking the question, how does getting a rebound take that person out of a defense position? I do not know wth you are talking about. Enlighten me Blue Tang because I think its a seriously goofy statement to make.
Please tell me you know that when a player gets a rebound, he is automatically on offense. Again how does that hurt his defensive position. You made the statement so back it up Einstein....
 
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cats#1again

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Oscar is not the reason we lost to Kansas St. We lost because we do not have a coach with a modern offense and no consistent shooters. We also do not have the players who can stop a player one on one. To many defensive breakdowns.
Or.....orrr.... We could have just made 2 three pointers and won the game
If we win and win again this Rd. Whenever we lost you were gonna post the same thing. It's a dead horse at this point my man.
 

HenryMuto

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Amazing how other teams even the Blue Bloods get players to return and we try and push ours out the door as soon as possible.
 

Boyd94

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I coached HS basketball for several years, thank you.
I am asking the question, how does getting a rebound take that person out of a defense position? I do not know wth you are talking about. Enlighten me Blue Tang because I think its a seriously goofy statement to make.
Please tell me you know that when a player gets a rebound, he is automatically on offense. Again how does that hurt his defensive position. You made the statement so back it up Einstein....
He can't. He's a moron troll.
 

Woodsmoke

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Have you never played or watched basketball before?

Our efficiency was inflated by the fact we averaged an insanely high offensive rebound rate. We still lost 13 games with that efficiency rating.
We lost 6 games this year because we couldn't make free throws.

Michigan State 8 Missed FT's (If Cason Wallace makes 1 at the end, we go up by 4 and win)
UCLA 8 Missed FT's
South Carolina 7 Missed FT's
Kansas 7 Missed FT's
Vandy Senior Day 10 missed FT's
Vandy SECT 9 missed FT's

Make free throws and we go into the NCAA Tournament with at least a 22-5 record and a 2 to 3 seed.. It's actually quite simple.
 
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Lol if we didn’t have Oscar who the hell would be driving the lane? We didn’t have any dogs that could muscle their way to a basket nor any who could drive the lane … dribble out when it’s cut off and circle back for a second attempt.
 

Woodsmoke

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I coached HS basketball for several years, thank you.
I am asking the question, how does getting a rebound take that person out of a defense position? I do not know wth you are talking about. Enlighten me Blue Tang because I think its a seriously goofy statement to make.
Please tell me you know that when a player gets a rebound, he is automatically on offense. Again how does that hurt his defensive position. You made the statement so back it up Einstein....
He can't. Notice his response to you was a laughing emoji. That's all he has. Probably a young hs kid who never played one second of competitive basketball after middle school where he sat the bench.
 
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bnewt

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If he blocks that many more a game, that's over 3 per game, plus likely a lot more he alters. Hell yea! He can't get here fast enough in my eyes. Plus, he can actually shoot and stretch the floor out to the 3pt line. Much more atheltic and agile. Can switch on defense and can actually play above the rim. Much like a modern 5. Then, we also have Ugonna. I will gladly take them over Oscar at this point.

"Bradshaw has elite tools for a developing modern day big with size, mobility, fluidity, multiple bounces, good hands, use of his left, signs of a budding jump hook, a high release in the lane, and a very soft touch that extends out to the arc. He’s also one of the best rim protectors in the country. His motor, which was a concern as an underclassman, has made consistent strides over the years. Physically, he has high and narrow shoulders on a frame that needs to bulk up in order to hold his position on both ends of the floor. He can struggle to plant and pivot when asked to reverse the ball as a trailer, lacks a reliable niche to his individual offense (although he’s yet to be showcased as a team’s primary option), and seems to have questionable awareness at times. He puts up good rebounding numbers and shows flashes of getting balls above the rim, but has other moments when he relies on his length instead of truly going to get the ball. While the consistency of his motor and overall productivity are still works in progress, they’re clearly trending in the right direction. Long-term, his upside is as a 7-footer who can stretch the floor vertically and to the arc, be a rim-runner, and versatile defender who both protects the rim and can move his feet on the perimeter. "
I have watched several of Bradshaw's games and was not that impressed
He did not seem to play that hard, was not that active trying to rebound and did not try to block many shots
I will admit that I am from the old school where I expect one of the best players on the floor to dominate, especially a 7' kid in high school
If the only time that player gets fired up is when he gets popped in the head, then to me something is missing
 

bnewt

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Oscar was here for 3 years, he sat out the first as a transfer and then played two.

Keion Brooks was here from a freshman and we as a fanbase ran him off.
Brooks was average at best and proved that this year at Washington
He may have averaged more points there, but it was because he shot more too
He displayed the same game that he displayed for 3 years at UK. He did not improve
 

bnewt

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Oscar is not the reason we lost to Kansas St. We lost because we do not have a coach with a modern offense and no consistent shooters. We also do not have the players who can stop a player one on one. To many defensive breakdowns.
you should have stopped at "do not have a coach"
that says it all
 

kennyskywalker34

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Bacot holds UNC back similar to Oscar and UK. Why some of you are so hell-bent on repeating the last 2 years with Oscar here again is beyond me. Can't defend, can't shoot, clogs the lane. And other teams now just attack him over and over and over, and they gladly let him have every rebound he wants because he can't beat you that way.
Those overrated Freshmen will not grab 15 boards between them.