Allen another good game

gojvc

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I don’t mind him coming off the bench as long as the starters play with energy and execute. I think it takes just a bit of pressure off DA. He got plenty of minutes.
Agree. He played 32 minutes. It doesn’t really matter if the first minute was one of the 32 if he is playing that much.
 

RACdad

Heisman
Mar 8, 2005
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DA still got lost a few times and didn’t recover quick enough on some shooters. But offensively he draws defenders and opens the floor.
I was watching him on defense. He has a lot to improve on. He likes to ball watch and it causes him to lose his guy
 
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SmedMoley

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I was watching him on defense. He has a lot to improve on. He likes to ball watch and it causes him to lose his guy
I agree. His lack of lateral quickness really hampers him, also. But, it's a necessary evil. He's the only reliable shooter we have. What gets me is people that focus on his defense, without giving the same attention to other player's deficiencies. I don't think it's a coincidence that we're finally winning games with him in the lineup. If he gives up 11 points but gets you 14, it's a net positive.
 

Lempface

Heisman
Feb 16, 2009
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My next question is when Clarke is healthy and playing again how much time is Allen going to actually see? He will have to showcase his 2- 5 star NBA guys in Boston and Clarke!
If you listened to Cal's post game he said DA had to be out there because of how he makes the defense adjust and really improves their ability to run stuff. Bruiser sat BJ to close the game, then Cal did it again this game so sounds like all the basketball Bennie's who said that Cak would never bench BJ were wrong. Said he didn't think his breakdowns were hard to fix and he's trying hard, but just needs time to correct the issues and he wasn't the only one with the blunders.

Sounds like DA will continue to play due to Cal's realization. Wouldn't be surprised to see him start over BJ in the near future to give BJ a chance to settle down and see if it helps him like it helped Devin. If BJ and Clarke start playing so well that Dontaie doesn't play very much then we're probably really really good at that point so we'll just have to wait and see how things go.
 

Kybluedude

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Nov 19, 2005
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We have to have Boston or Clarke to come on. If Allen and one of those 2 are good on the wings we can take a big step up. All 3 makes us very dangerous. Lucky we had Allen to turn to.

Again down to 8 players. That drives me nuts. Use the 13 scholarships. Get a couple local tri state guys who can contribute and develop. Blend in their different skill sets.
 

Cawood86_rivals

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Feb 20, 2005
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Boston is a worse defender than Allen and doesn’t give you anything close to same pop offensively. Allen is a scorer and opens up the floor. It’s a no brainer
I don't see how in the world Boston was a 5 star recruit. I hope the kid improves, but he adds nothing to the team right now.
 

Cawood86_rivals

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Allen doesn't move on offense and that's a huge problem. If a guy is stuck with no dribble and Allen isn't in his spot to swing it to , that's a problem. People start forcing bad shots because if things like that.
He's a good catch n shoot sub right now
He had at least two drive and score tongiht. One he drove all the way to the basket and scored. The other was a ball fake and drive for a pull up jumper that he made.
 

maysvilleky

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Allen doesn't move on offense and that's a huge problem. If a guy is stuck with no dribble and Allen isn't in his spot to swing it to , that's a problem. People start forcing bad shots because if things like that.
He's a good catch n shoot sub right now
Did you not see Allen running off picks and his drives to the hoop tonight? He’s not just standing there waiting to shoot.
 

revcort

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Feb 20, 2003
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Good thread. There is no doubt the team is completely different when he's on the floor and demanding so much attention. He and Sarr complimented one another well tonight. I think everyone is seeing what he can bring to the team.

I also agree that his biggest weakness is defense. He gave up multiple threes tonight, especially in the first half, by not closing out quickly or getting around screens. He wasn't alone in that, but he had a few that were glaring. His 2nd half D was better, in my opinion.

If I'm taking all of this into consideration, I still say he needs to be on the floor. The team isn't bad defensively and can afford to have a few lapses. But we definitely need his offense (even just the threat of it) on the floor. His 14 points were critical to the team tonight. We don't win without him, once again.
 
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maysvilleky

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I agree. His lack of lateral quickness really hampers him, also. But, it's a necessary evil. He's the only reliable shooter we have. What gets me is people that focus on his defense, without giving the same attention to other player's deficiencies. I don't think it's a coincidence that we're finally winning games with him in the lineup. If he gives up 11 points but gets you 14, it's a net positive.
Cal said the same in the post game. He even said Boston wasn’t in at the end because of his lack of defense. He admitted that he has to accept that.
 
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EliteBlue

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Mar 27, 2009
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Cal said he was today. But Cal also said he did some positives on offense. So it was a wash today.
Except it wasn't a wash. It isn't just about the points Allen directly scores.

The floor spacing due to Vandy having to account for him and chase him off screens is the reason Sarr is able to have space inside, Askew/Mintz has driving lanes where they aren't getting closed out on by 2+ defenders like previously, they also are getting better looks from 3 as well etc. Allen had 14 directly but the offense was about 25-30 points better with him on the floor. Look no further than us struggling to break 60 all season and on pace to do the same at MSU until the final 10 minutes when we played through him. Now we have 78 and 77 in the last 2 outings.
 

ManitouDan_anon

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Dec 7, 2006
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Except it wasn't a wash. It isn't just about the points Allen directly scores.

The floor spacing due to Vandy having to account for him and chase him off screens is the reason Sarr is able to have space inside, Askew/Mintz has driving lanes where they aren't getting closed out on by 2+ defenders like previously, they also are getting better looks from 3 as well etc. Allen had 14 directly but the offense was about 25-30 points better with him on the floor. Look no further than us struggling to break 60 all season and on pace to do the same at MSU until the final 10 minutes when we played through him. Now we have 78 and 77 in the last 2 outings.

would be nice to Have A coach that recognized this about 3 weeks ago. As the entire state screamed for it .
 
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Stonewall12

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Nov 15, 2009
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I'm a huge Allen supporter but I thought he gave up quite a few 3s. Could have been me focusing on him though.
Well that happens a when you have a coach that actually runs plays to get your shooters open. Unlike cal who just screams his head off
 

cats#1again

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He had at least two drive and score tongiht. One he drove all the way to the basket and scored. The other was a ball fake and drive for a pull up jumper that he made.
Obviously I'm talking about off the ball. There's more to basketball than shooting
 

cats#1again

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Did you not see Allen running off picks and his drives to the hoop tonight? He’s not just standing there waiting to shoot.
Yes , he's not very good at it.
If you watch him the whole time he's out there he holds the offense up several times by being out of place. Not just him but he is the one that stands out the most.
There was a point in the game where he handed the ball off at the top of the key and literally just stood there. Had no idea where to go.
He will get better with time but right now he isn't sharp by any stretch.
 

Kybluedude

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Nov 19, 2005
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Yes , he's not very good at it.
If you watch him the whole time he's out there he holds the offense up several times by being out of place. Not just him but he is the one that stands out the most.
There was a point in the game where he handed the ball off at the top of the key and literally just stood there. Had no idea where to go.
He will get better with time but right now he isn't sharp by any stretch.
Yeah that kinda happens when you’re trying to knock off the rust at in game speed since you haven’t been in a game in two years due to a knee surgery and at that it was back in high school. Now that he knows he is in the rotation look for him to relax and continue improving.
 

drbubba

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I don’t mind him coming off the bench as long as the starters play with energy and execute. I think it takes just a bit of pressure off DA. He got plenty of minutes.
Darius Miller came off the bench. SEC Tourney MVP and a champion in 2 countries. Go DA!
 

RipThru

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How come most on here call out Allen's "defensive mistakes", but nobody else's? :)
 

carolinacat

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Nov 7, 2007
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The fact that Vandy and MSU both were laser focused on Allen tells you all you need to know about how much of a threat he is. I would love to see him improve his mid range game. He pump faked himself open 2-3 times and couldn't finish the 15 footer. He'll get better at that facet of his game, and when he does, he'll be a really scary dude. He does tend to cheat and watch the ball on defense....as do our other Freshmen.

His athleticism isn't elite but it's not bad either. Like most KY guys, he seems to have a good feel for the game. He seems to know how to feed the post....put him on the wing and let him feed Sarr. His man won't be doubling down.
 

Soupbean

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Jan 19, 2007
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14 pts and 5 rebounds
Defense was as good as any other player and better than a few
As I said earlier, good sign that he can still have that kind of production on what I thought was sort of an off night for him. Seemed a little lethargic to me and not as aggresive and still needs to be more reactive and physical on defense, but he'll learn that. And dont think we'll see him miss too many of those open 12 footers much either going forward.

So for an off night I'll take it.