All the Gonzaga haters

[LineSkiCat14]

Not to mention 8-9 games short of the length of a normal/full season?

Was it 8 or 9? I figured it was at least a few. It's not even just that it's Gonzaga really. Even if Baylor went undefeated, I'd still kinda feel the same. No road games is a huge deal. Because if you're a great team, you can kinda roll through your schedule.

Look an undefeated season is an undefeated season, But I think a lot of people when asked about this will say "well yeah, but..". And maybe Gonzaga fans won't care..

EDIT: Wow, you're right.. it would be a 32-0 champ.. lol. Yeah sorry, I think Gonzaga deserves the title.. but the undefeated team is going to be met with a lot of doubt.. and if any team ever does it in a normal year? Gonzaga's will be a clear 2nd place like IU's was/is.

 

[fatguy87]

I also gotta think the relative quality of the SEC plays in this a little bit. The SEC has been one of the weakest power 5 conferences overall during Cal’s tenure. In 2015 for example, UK was the only SEC team in Kenpom’s top 25.

What that does is put us in a position with less opportunities for high quality wins to boost our resume, but still play a more challenging conference slate than Gonzaga. Do you think the 2011 team would have gotten a 4 seed if they got to play home games against a few more top 25 teams? Part of the reason we seem to be underseeded relative to our strength is because the SEC just doesn’t offer many chance opportunities to knock off top 15-20 teams at Rupp. We practically have to be flawless in the non conference.

 

[Whoppercat]

It’s easy to win 30 games a year in a crap conference if you are the “it” program.

Evansville and Richmond disagree.

 

[Mike-D]

Year after year Mark Few has good teams he is a great coach.

Yeap. Excellent offensive coach.

 

[TheOtherGreatOne]

My prediction is Gonzaga and Baylor in National title...Baylor over the Zags

Baylor better hope they can score more than 60 points if they plan on beating the Zags. Oh and by the way, Baylor had better be worried about beating Houston first.

 

[bthaunert]

Lost in all of the debate is the fact that Mark Few took over a program that had been to the NCAA Tournament twice prior to his first year in 2000 and then the transformation he has made over the last 7 years from a team that would continuously get bounced early to a team that is knocking on the door to the Final Four virtually every year....doing all of this at a Jesuit University of 5,000 students tucked away in Spokane, WA and playing in a mediocre conference. All of those things should work against him. He has turned them into a destination school for international players, high profile transfers and now high profile recruits.

He is going to have this train rolling for another 10 - 15 years imo. I think we are getting ready to see a run we haven’t seen in a long time.

 

[UK till Death]

On here gonna root for UCLA?

Asking for a friend

My Zags hate evaporated the second UCLA won.

I still don't wanna see em go perfect.

Win then lose would be my druthers.

I guess I'm pulling for Baylor or Houston. Baylor winning would definitely piss off the ChokeHawks.

 

[TheOtherGreatOne]

My Zags hate evaporated the second UCLA won.

I still don't wanna see em go perfect.

Win then lose would be my druthers.

I guess I'm pulling for Baylor or Houston. Baylor winning would definitely piss off the ChokeHawks.

So you would like to have an *** hole like bobby knight have the last undefeated team rather than a good guy like few. That sir tells me a lot about your character.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

So you would like to have an *** hole like bobby knight have the last undefeated team rather than a good guy like few. That sir tells me a lot about your character.

I'm going to take a shot in the dark here, and wildly guess that it has nothing to do with coach character but everything to do with Gonzaga having a modern day undefeated season(*), something Kentucky was so close to getting.

But what do I know..

 

[sluggercatfan]

On here gonna root for UCLA?

Asking for a friend

Nope...going in l was going for Zags, Bama, FSU.

 

[Cawood86_rivals]

I don’t see how anyone who loves watching college basketball could hate Gonzaga. Their offense is a thing of beauty, they play tenacious help defense. Tonight they didn’t turn the ball over once in the first half. They have a down to earth coach who genuinely seems to be a nice guy. Their kids seem to all be team oriented a reasonably humble. What I see here from many is outright jealousy. I think the best team should win the title most years and this year it appears to be the Zags, see no reason to hate them

Agree. Also wouldn't mind if Houston won it all. Might make IU fans even more desperate.

 

[UK till Death]

So you would like to have an *** hole like bobby knight have the last undefeated team rather than a good guy like few. That sir tells me a lot about your character.

My character? LOL.

Not knowing ******* is one word tells me a lot about your intelligence level.

 

[Cawood86_rivals]

That’s right. Don’t hate them but don’t love them either. I’m a Kentucky fan. I don’t like any other teams. Because of the nauseating “love affair” and their junk conference, I have a hard time wanting them to win.

So who then? UCLA? I think some just can't deal that UK is not the top of heap right now.

 

[DanStewart]

It’s easy to win 30 games a year in a crap conference if you are the “it” program. I don’t see that as an outlandish statement. It is much more difficult to win 30 games a year in a power five conference. Mark Few has built a nice program that dominates a mid major conference nothing more nothing less.

Check out their out of conference schedule (beat KU, Auburn, WVU, Va, and had Baylor on the schedule) and who the beat and check out UK's played and who they lost to. Now, tell me you wouldn't trade results.

 

[Cawood86_rivals]

What Gonzaga is doing is extremely special. I don't care what conference you play in. To go undefeated is extremely difficult. Would they go undefeated in a power 5, I don't know. But with the team they have this year, I wouldn't count it out. They are essentially everything we want at UK and ***** about not having. Guys that stick around, a well executed offense, shooters everywhere, a PG who controls the game, a great bench coach in Few.

Not sure why the hatred for them, tbh.

Cal has some very devout fans I reckon.

 

[wentzel25]

Cal has some very devout fans I reckon.

We'll still crush Gonzaga on draft night ... Where true champions are crowned

 

[John Henry]

I don’t see how anyone who loves watching college basketball could hate Gonzaga. Their offense is a thing of beauty, they play tenacious help defense. Tonight they didn’t turn the ball over once in the first half. They have a down to earth coach who genuinely seems to be a nice guy. Their kids seem to all be team oriented a reasonably humble. What I see here from many is outright jealousy. I think the best team should win the title most years and this year it appears to be the Zags, see no reason to hate them

^^^^This

How could anyone hate them? They have never won an NCAA title, they are from a very small school and are no threat to anybody. But the reason I like them and want them to win is because of style of play. It is about as close to a Rupp team as you can find on offense. They put point on the board and they do it by moving the ball through pin point passes and putting up shots. They can shoot and they can pass. What is not to like?

No dribbling around for 20 seconds then try to find a shot. They take it and go. If they do win maybe college basketball will come out of it's deep sleep and make the game exciting again. Right now it has very little appeal to the masses. Just a few select sections in the country.

 

[Runnin'Ramel]

Was it 8 or 9? I figured it was at least a few. It's not even just that it's Gonzaga really. Even if Baylor went undefeated, I'd still kinda feel the same. No road games is a huge deal. Because if you're a great team, you can kinda roll through your schedule.

Look an undefeated season is an undefeated season, But I think a lot of people when asked about this will say "well yeah, but..". And maybe Gonzaga fans won't care..

EDIT: Wow, you're right.. it would be a 32-0 champ.. lol. Yeah sorry, I think Gonzaga deserves the title.. but the undefeated team is going to be met with a lot of doubt.. and if any team ever does it in a normal year? Gonzaga's will be a clear 2nd place like IU's was/is.

I was just going off of UK being 38-0 entering the F4 and Gonzaga being 30-0.

 

[MakinMusic_rivals]

I don’t see how anyone who loves watching college basketball could hate Gonzaga. Their offense is a thing of beauty, they play tenacious help defense. Tonight they didn’t turn the ball over once in the first half. They have a down to earth coach who genuinely seems to be a nice guy. Their kids seem to all be team oriented a reasonably humble. What I see here from many is outright jealousy. I think the best team should win the title most years and this year it appears to be the Zags, see no reason to hate them

I don’t hate them but I’m a Kentucky fan. Call it jealousy or whatever but it’s competitive sports. That’s how it works in competitive sports. I mentioned in another thread I’ve never been one to be a fan of tiny U in the tournament no matter who it is unless playing Duke or Kansas.

 

[John Henry]

If I remember correctly Indiana had a final record of 32-0. UCLA had several championships with 30-0 records. UNC went undefeated in 1957 at 32-0. Yet some fans want an asterisk by the Zags record if they do win it. Actually the only fans I know are UK fans who are envious of their program.

Funny too Alabama played a short schedule and went undefeated national champs in football. I can't seem to locate their asterisk or people on the football board suggesting they have one. Alabama played the schedule they were presented and won.

This is an NCAA sanctioned tournament. There was no requirement going in you had to have played so many games. You played the schedule in front of you and were judged by the results. Kentucky was judged on a pathetic 9-16 record. Since it was the worst record for UK in 100 years maybe we need to put this next to it in the record books.

 

[tls]

Was it 8 or 9? I figured it was at least a few. It's not even just that it's Gonzaga really. Even if Baylor went undefeated, I'd still kinda feel the same. No road games is a huge deal. Because if you're a great team, you can kinda roll through your schedule.

Look an undefeated season is an undefeated season, But I think a lot of people when asked about this will say "well yeah, but..". And maybe Gonzaga fans won't care..

EDIT: Wow, you're right.. it would be a 32-0 champ.. lol. Yeah sorry, I think Gonzaga deserves the title.. but the undefeated team is going to be met with a lot of doubt.. and if any team ever does it in a normal year? Gonzaga's will be a clear 2nd place like IU's was/is.

UCLA had three 30-0 titles. Number of games played is meaningless when you win them all.

I guess maybe if Zags had played 75 games they might have lost 1. lol

We know for sure that if Gonzaga and UK had switched conferences this year, the Cats would not have gone undefeated in the WCC

 

[STL_Cat]

Every single person really needs to get over the thing about Gonzaga's conference. THEY CAN PLAY, regardless of conference. Just let it go. Move on to something else. They've proven they can play. They're outscoring tourney opponents per possession by more than they did their conference opponents. They take on all comers in their non conference. They're legit, period, and no amount of posturing at this point is going to change it.

 

[UK96GOAT]

I'm for Gonzaga. They can't help what conference they play in. They scheduled a pretty tough out of conference schedule which is all they can do. The best record for a season is 32-0, which is what Gonzaga would be if they were to win it this year.

 

[KyFaninNC]

Every single person really needs to get over the thing about Gonzaga's conference. THEY CAN PLAY, regardless of conference. Just let it go. Move on to something else. They've proven they can play. They're outscoring tourney opponents per possession by more than they did their conference opponents. They take on all comers in their non conference. They're legit, period, and no amount of posturing at this point is going to change it.

Blind jealousy and for some in here wanting Cal gone, some have posted they want Few here. So the Cal brigade are full of hate that:
1.Juzang is playing awsome and Cal let him get away
2. Few has the Zags playing for a title and Cal is went a woeful 9-16 with the #1 ranked class.

The never ending defense of a coach that has UK on a downward trend is mind numbing.

 

[TheOtherGreatOne]

My character? LOL.

Not knowing ******* is one word tells me a lot about your intelligence level.

I will match my Iq against yours any day Mr bobby knight fan

 

[TheOtherGreatOne]

So your point was, why can't pepperdine do it?

Look at the schools.. if anything it just says how rattling off 30 wins in that conference isn't too difficult.

Even WSU plays in a more substantial conference.

Ucla is in the final 4 and Pepperdine took ucla to 3 overtimes at ucla. Just maybe the wcc is not nearly as bad as you think. You probably don't even know who plays in that conference

 

[UK till Death]

I will match my Iq against yours any day Mr bobby knight fan

Insinuating I'm a booby knight fan just because I don't want Gonzaga to go undefeated is poor logic. I hope you can see that.

 

[UK till Death]

If there's another team to go undefeated I want it to be UK. Period.

Would I want Zags to go undefeated if that was the only way to stop UCLA? Of course.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

Ucla is in the final 4 and Pepperdine took ucla to 3 overtimes at ucla. Just maybe the wcc is not nearly as bad as you think. You probably don't even know who plays in that conference

We playing the who beat who game now? Lol

Its not even so much that the WCC is a mediocre conference (it is, btw).. its that Gonzaga never had to play a single TRUE road game. That matters. Because they always drop one or two. Why? Playing in hostile environments isn't easy.

Its why what UK and WSU did in the regular season, along with playing more games, impresses me more.

No one is saying Gonzaga isn't an exceptional team this year..

 

[MakinMusic_rivals]

Sure looks like Gonzaga may be taking a few fans from Kentucky after this season. We could stand to lose some.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

Blind jealousy and for some in here wanting Cal gone, some have posted they want Few here. So the Cal brigade are full of hate that:
1.Juzang is playing awsome and Cal let him get away
2. Few has the Zags playing for a title and Cal is went a woeful 9-16 with the #1 ranked class.

The never ending defense of a coach that has UK on a downward trend is mind numbing.

Does this really have anything to do with Cal, other than folks bringing up how Juzang is rubbing it in Cals face?

Kentucky fans wanting Gonzaga to lose has nothing to do with Cal. We just don't want to see a team, any team, go undefeated when we were so close, feeling like it was ours. Cal was the coach for that team, but its not HIS accomplishment, its a program accompolishment..

I think the anti-cal crowd brings him into this, far too often, and it starts up the argument we see a dozen times a day.

Me wanting Gonzaga to lose has nothing to do with Cal. I also don't particular like seeing players leave who do well.. again, nothing to do with Cal.

I hated seeing Jamal Adams play for Seattle, had nothing to do with the coach.

(Although **** Adam Gase lol).

 

[STL_Cat]

We playing the who beat who game now? Lol

Its not even so much that the WCC is a mediocre conference (it is, btw).. its that Gonzaga never had to play a single TRUE road game. That matters. Because they always drop one or two. Why? Playing in hostile environments isn't easy.

Its why what UK and WSU did in the regular season, along with playing more games, impresses me more.

No one is saying Gonzaga isn't an exceptional team this year..

Be that as it may (road games I mean), Gonzaga DID play Kansas, West Virginia, Virginia, and Iowa all at neutral sites. That's a really strong non conference schedule and they came out unscathed. I just hope they get to make up that game with Baylor that got canceled now.

 

[KyFaninNC]

Sure looks like Gonzaga may be taking a few fans from Kentucky after this season. We could stand to lose some.

Maybe. And when Cal does leave, some of you need to go with him. We do t need fans supporting the programs decline.

 

[Cowtown Cat]

If it’s so easy, how come other teams don’t do it? Since 1939, only 11 teams from non major conferences have entered the NCAA Tournament undefeated. 11 teams in 82 years. Conservatively, let’s just say there were an average of 200 non major teams in college basketball each of those years. That’s over 16,000 teams....and 11 entered the NCAA Tournament undefeated.

They haven’t played a true road game all year! Literally.

 

[Short-Dawg-69]

Be nice to have an option they both loose.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

Look at it this way.. if Cal was still in good standing with the entire fanbase.. if its 2014.. would ANYONE here be rooting for Gonzaga to go undefeated?

No.

And thats the difference.

 

[Indymycats]

If it’s so easy, how come other teams don’t do it? Since 1939, only 11 teams from non major conferences have entered the NCAA Tournament undefeated. 11 teams in 82 years. Conservatively, let’s just say there were an average of 200 non major teams in college basketball each of those years. That’s over 16,000 teams....and 11 entered the NCAA Tournament undefeated.

Where did I say anything about being undefeated? That’s an impressive accomplishment for anyone. I’m not arguing that at all. I do believe our 38-0 in 2015, was/is more impressive than their 30-0 to this point based on their conference. I’d argue that.

 

[Cowtown Cat]

Look at it this way.. if Cal was still in good standing with the entire fanbase.. if its 2014.. would ANYONE here be rooting for Gonzaga to go undefeated?

No.

And thats the difference.

In a normal year, Gonzaga must play Baylor. That, in itself, makes it very questionable as to whether they’d even be undefeated at all.

 

[Cowtown Cat]

Does this really have anything to do with Cal, other than folks bringing up how Juzang is rubbing it in Cals face?

Kentucky fans wanting Gonzaga to lose has nothing to do with Cal. We just don't want to see a team, any team, go undefeated when we were so close, feeling like it was ours. Cal was the coach for that team, but its not HIS accomplishment, its a program accompolishment..

I think the anti-cal crowd brings him into this, far too often, and it starts up the argument we see a dozen times a day.

Me wanting Gonzaga to lose has nothing to do with Cal. I also don't particular like seeing playing leave who do well.. again, nothing to do with Cal.

I hated seeing Jamal Adams play for Seattle, had nothing to do with the coach.

(Although **** Adam Gase lol).

Absolutely a program accomplishment. Only time Cal enters my mind when thinking of that team is him going stall ball against Wisconsin.

 

[STL_Cat]

Sure looks like Gonzaga may be taking a few fans from Kentucky after this season. We could stand to lose some.

Kentucky fan for life here. There's a reason Cawood Ledford and Kenny Walker and Derek Anderson and Goose Givens and Jamal Mashburn and Tubby Smith and Joe B Hall and John Calipari and John Wall all have a spot on my office walls. I'm a Kentucky fan for life.

But I also have an appreciation for really good coaches and really well run programs, and just plain old fun basketball to watch. Gonzaga is firing on all cylinders.