Alabama's dynasty is cracking

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Alabama has now lost 3 out of the last 4 national title games. They no longer bring in the top classes in the country every year. They should have lost to Auburn and not even make the playoffs this year.

Saban is 70 years old.

And Saban lost two former coaches in the same season. He never lost to a former coach of his until this season.

His team this year and some major issues. Never really dominated at any point this season besides the conference title game.

I know people will post things like...they will win the national title next year...they will be in the playoff next year...blah blah blah. The point is, the dynasty is slowing and cracking. The end is near and that will be a great thing for college football.
So you say..... they are becoming Nebraska by losing 3 out of 4? I'm sorry that was three out of four NC!
 

99_BoothBalloons

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They did. The guys that were out there were damned good. While antirowboat is normally running outside the base paths, I do think there is some merit to the idea that Bama is slipping. They lost to A$M. Now they just got beaten like a rented mule in this game. IF not for that walk on starting QB for Georgia going full on Adrian Martinez on that fumble, this game isn't close at all. I'm not saying Bama still isn't a great team. They are. They've got NFL players all over the field. I just think that maybe Nick has lost a little of the mystique and Kirby has things rolling at Georgia. Some NFL team is going to do their damnedest to try to hire Kirby.
Since Saban got there Alabama has only gone undefeated twice. Losing a game to A&M this year isn’t out of the norm for them, so I wouldn’t use it as evidence that they’re slipping.

What I saw this year is a team that’s pretty similar to most of his teams: one of the top two teams in the country. Rarely has his team been absolutely dominant to the point that no other team can touch him in any given year.

The difference between him and the competition is he’s pretty much always one of the top two teams, whereas the competition has rotated between Texas, Ohio State, Florida State, Auburn, Oregon, Clemson, and Georgia. He’s sustained that position for over a decade while the others come and go, with Clemson being the closest thing to it.

I don’t see this loss being any different than his other championship game losses. They’ll be right there again next year IMO, especially if they get rid of Bill O’Brien. Their offense took a step back this year because of him.
 

TheHuskerFreak

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Since Saban got there Alabama has only gone undefeated twice. Losing a game to A&M this year isn’t out of the norm for them, so I wouldn’t use it as evidence that they’re slipping.

What I saw this year is a team that’s pretty similar to most of his teams: one of the top two teams in the country. Rarely has his team been absolutely dominant to the point that no other team can touch him in any given year.

The difference between him and the competition is he’s pretty much always one of the top two teams, whereas the competition has rotated between Texas, Ohio State, Florida State, Auburn, Oregon, Clemson, and Georgia. He’s sustained that position for over a decade while the others come and go, with Clemson being the closest thing to it.

I don’t see this loss being any different than his other championship game losses. They’ll be right there again next year IMO, especially if they get rid of Bill O’Brien. Their offense took a step back this year because of him.
Yep. 4 of their 6 titles they did it with a loss. Two years ago they lost two regular season games. If anything that year should have signaled the big drop off. Instead they won the natty the next year. They will be the favorite with ohio state to win it next year.
 

Kakdawg

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Alabama has now lost 3 out of the last 4 national title games. They no longer bring in the top classes in the country every year. They should have lost to Auburn and not even make the playoffs this year.

Saban is 70 years old.

And Saban lost two former coaches in the same season. He never lost to a former coach of his until this season.

His team this year and some major issues. Never really dominated at any point this season besides the conference title game.

I know people will post things like...they will win the national title next year...they will be in the playoff next year...blah blah blah. The point is, the dynasty is slowing and cracking. The end is near and that will be a great thing for college football.


Yeah maybe but does it matter if you replace Bama with Georgia and Nick with Kirby and they dominate for the next 15 years or so? Will that make people feel any better? It'll be like an old school wresting tag team match where Nick tags Kirby and sends him in and says now it's your turn lol😂😂😂😂.

I'm convinced by year 5 of Georgia winning 2-3 more natties they will be just as hated as Bama. But hey at least Bama will fall back lol.


Holla
 

oldjar07

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and this is precisely the point. Use to be the back-ups Bama had were better than the other teams starters. Last night Bama’s back-up receivers looked like back-up receiver and not Smith coming in for Jeudy.

They lack at skill position more than I’ve seen in a while. And when you say “without there 2 star receivers”. Well they will probably miss them now for ever cause those two will go in the draft. So what’s the answer next year? Freshman? Transfer?

Of course they are still loaded and will be a really good team, I just don’t know if they will be great.
I don't think you know what you're talking about. That #84 looks like he'll develop into a complete stud, just needs to learn to catch the ball! But I knew as soon as Williams was injured, Alabama's chances went way down. He's been their whole offense this year.
 

rimsnef

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I wonder if Dabo will replace Saben when he retires in the next few years. Don't know all the particulars regarding Swinney's contract with Clemson but you know Alabama will throw everything they have at him to become the Tides next HC.
Saban is not retiring any time soon. Remember Paterno? Remember Bowden? Saban is a lifer.
 

Yantzeee

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I don't think you know what you're talking about. That #84 looks like he'll develop into a complete stud, just needs to learn to catch the ball! But I knew as soon as Williams was injured, Alabama's chances went way down. He's been their whole offense this year.
Let me get this straight, Hall a receiver (#84) will develop into a stud if he can catch the ball. 🤔

A receiver will be a stud if he can catch the ball? Really? catching the ball is kind of an important part to being a WR. No?

He dropped a big one last night. Big difference then D Smith catching the game winner when he was a freshman
 

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Let me get this straight, Hall a receiver (#84) will develop into a stud if he can catch the ball. 🤔

A receiver will be a stud if he can catch the ball? Really? catching the ball is kind of an important part to being a WR. No?

He dropped a big one last night. Big difference then D Smith catching the game winner when he was a freshman
There are "stud" receivers in the NFL that drop passes every week
 

indy1203

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It’s Ludicrous when you think how many times Alabama been one of the teams in the playoffs since 2014 and have won the title 6 times since 2009 and in the title game 9 times..
Look for ESPN to pump Georgia for the next few years.
 

king_kong_

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despite the below, I do agree with OP's extremely bold prediction that once Saban is on his deathbed Alabama will be worse than going to the national championship game 9 out of 11 years.

 
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I know it's super, super unlikely but I'd love to snag the 5 star OLB from the 2020 class that just entered the transfer portal from Alabama, Drew Sanders.
 

NorthWillRiseAgain

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Alabama has now lost 3 out of the last 4 national title games. They no longer bring in the top classes in the country every year. They should have lost to Auburn and not even make the playoffs this year.

Saban is 70 years old.

And Saban lost two former coaches in the same season. He never lost to a former coach of his until this season.

His team this year and some major issues. Never really dominated at any point this season besides the conference title game.

I know people will post things like...they will win the national title next year...they will be in the playoff next year...blah blah blah. The point is, the dynasty is slowing and cracking. The end is near and that will be a great thing for college football.
Alabama will win week one next season and you’ll say “Dynasty is back!”
 

GoPokes1

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Oklahoma State fan here. Really hoping you guys get back on top. Rooting for y’all. The Big 12 didn’t crumble this last summer with OU and Texas leaving. It crumbled the minute you guys, Mizzou, and CU left. Obviously, with only 4 of the Big 8 schools left in the Big 12, it really hurts to see how far our league has fallen. During the 2000’s I believe we had the best league in the country. I’m obviously biased, but it was fantastic. Maybe one day you guys, us, OU and many of the others will end up in the same league again. The middle of the country needs their own league. People care too much in this part of the country.
 

Nate004

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Look at this guy putting in a short at the very top of a bull run and celebrating his win after a small loss in the market. Only 2 ways this goes. 1. Your right and you celebrate like your the ultimate guru. Or 2. Your wrong and you pray everyone forgets about this thread while getting the excuse machine ready in case they don’t. Either way this goes it’s gonna be great!
 

dinglefritz

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Since Saban got there Alabama has only gone undefeated twice. Losing a game to A&M this year isn’t out of the norm for them, so I wouldn’t use it as evidence that they’re slipping.

What I saw this year is a team that’s pretty similar to most of his teams: one of the top two teams in the country. Rarely has his team been absolutely dominant to the point that no other team can touch him in any given year.

The difference between him and the competition is he’s pretty much always one of the top two teams, whereas the competition has rotated between Texas, Ohio State, Florida State, Auburn, Oregon, Clemson, and Georgia. He’s sustained that position for over a decade while the others come and go, with Clemson being the closest thing to it.

I don’t see this loss being any different than his other championship game losses. They’ll be right there again next year IMO, especially if they get rid of Bill O’Brien. Their offense took a step back this year because of him.
No doubt they still have insane talent. I do agree that at 70 though I think it is going to be tougher and tougher for Saban to maintain the required energy level to stay on top. At some point he'll lose a a coordinator and the next guy won't be as good or his starting QB will get hurt and the backup won't be up to the job. Time will tell.
 

barney44

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The second half is all you needed to see but I watched the whole game. By the 4th quarter Georgia was running the ball and then going play action and it was .....over.
I agree.. Georgia did gain the upper hand once their run game started producing. I don't know if I'd say beaten like a rented mule but the run and PA game put Bama on the ropes.
 

dinglefritz

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I agree.. Georgia did gain the upper hand once their run game started producing. I don't know if I'd say beaten like a rented mule but the run and PA game put Bama on the ropes.
Well I may have to admit that the narrative fits what I wanted to happen to Saban. Once they got to the 4th quarter though I thought Georgia had it in the bag. They were clicking and Bama was floundering.
 

glaciersx

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this was OP before and during the first half of the game. but don't worry, he knew all along they were falling off:

Let's use this thread as the game thread.

alabama will win.
a lot of the media people are picking georgia to win. Thus, alabama will win bigly as a result.
bama easily out schemed georgia on that drive. WR slipped, otherwise that is 7 points.
I'm enjoying watching the A&M staff literally rip Georgia for things they are not doing right. Even the coaches are close to saying game over already lol.
 

dinglefritz

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this was OP before and during the first half of the game. but don't worry, he knew all along they were falling off:
Can I give multiple laughing and smiling with hearts "likes" for this post some way?LaughingLaughingLaughing😍😍
 

TruHusker

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When you watch theirs and Georgia's backers, DEs and WRs especially, you realize we have a ways to go. The speed those guys play with is amazing.
"we have a ways to go"? The gap is more like the grand canyon.

I assume everyone on here wants to get back to dominance, but the reality is it may never happen. If it is to occur, we can't be "excited", "I am good with him", "good get" on our 3* recruits. Eventually, there has to be that break through that gets the ball rolling to more success on top of success. So far, no go and not even close.
 

barney44

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When you watch theirs and Georgia's backers, DEs and WRs especially, you realize we have a ways to go. The speed those guys play with is amazing.
When you have guys making tackles while getting wrecked by a blaocker, yeah you got some football players.
 

oldjar07

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Let me get this straight, Hall a receiver (#84) will develop into a stud if he can catch the ball. 🤔

A receiver will be a stud if he can catch the ball? Really? catching the ball is kind of an important part to being a WR. No?

He dropped a big one last night. Big difference then D Smith catching the game winner when he was a freshman
Alabama will coach him up. He'll be the #1 receiver next year, just watch. Oh and he can't catch either...

 
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bbb2021

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If I had to pick two teams to play for the 2022 NC, it would be Bama vs OSU. In fact, the 2 preseason - too early - polls that I've seen have both at the top at #1 and 2

Why? Both Bama's and OSU's 2020 and 2021 recruiting classes were rated in the top 4 ALL TIME 247 Composite back-to-back ever. The only two classes better than either of those was one of Pete Carroll's combined efforts back in the early 2000s.

In other words, most of Bama's and OSU's upper level talent were in their 2020 & 2021 classes and should really come into play next year especially after embarrassing losses to Georgia and Michigan. OSU is so POd and embarrassed that Ryan Day just fired his whole defensive staff minus Larry Johnson who is rumored to be retiring. Two games I will be sure to watch in 2022 will be the OSU-Michigan game in Columbus and the Bama-Georgia game if they play again in the SEC championship. Guess what two teams I'll be betting on?
 

bama_husker

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"we have a ways to go"? The gap is more like the grand canyon.

I assume everyone on here wants to get back to dominance, but the reality is it may never happen. If it is to occur, we can't be "excited", "I am good with him", "good get" on our 3* recruits. Eventually, there has to be that break through that gets the ball rolling to more success on top of success. So far, no go and not even close.
I follow CFB today partly because NU was consistently one of the best teams in my earlier years.
But it was a different game back then. In 1995, NU, CU, KU and KSU were all top 10/15 teams.
That's never going to happen again.
CFB today at the higher levels is more like an NFL farm system with top teams located in the recruiting hotbeds.
LSU '19 and Bama '20 were stacked with high level NFL prospects and had NFL ready QB's. We would have to make a huge improvement to even be remotely competitive with teams like that.
I still think with the right staff and a little luck we could compete consistently with the better teams of the Big 10, but doubt with the current structure we could do more that that.