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Airport

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Impingement of the ulnar nerve. Ice and physical therapy worked. Took 800 mg Ibuprofen when it got bad. Lasted for about 5 weeks and haven't had serious problems the past week. I have had moments of tingling, but it quickly goes away.

Glad to hear that. You might want to follow up with another injection but not do anything for several days.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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Wingnuts gone crazy. They are all over the place bitching about their premiums going up and then bitching about the insurance companies need to make more and more profits.

How about a system that offers the citizens of this country fair and good coverage for all citizens? This is the goal and what was needing fixed before the ACA. The ACA has helped along some of these lines but has not been fully successful. The country can do better but for god's sake, don't lose sight of the problem and the problem is not that insurance companies are not making enough money. The problem is ensuring ALL citizens have access to health care at a REASONABLE cost regardless of their health status while at the same time not putting too much negative pressure on the taxpayers or the macro economic environment of everything Health care touches. Attempting to compare Health Care to the contruction business and all the other nonsense that has been posted by every whacko on this board just shows how flippin ignorant you are.
I agree. I would also like to see some form of Tort Reform, but not the kind most people trumpet. I would like to see any Tort Reform include a maximum fee earning for Lawyers in any cases related to Gov't health care similar to how we have to operate in Gov't contracting. We are capped at I think 10% fee earnings on certain types of contracts. It's criminal that families who suffer and are awarded these large settlements have to payout in some cases $40% of the award to attorneys (on top of the attorney fees which are built into the award). Further, I would like see an accountability of fees associated with these cases to attorneys accountable to a Gov't agency and auditing practice, DCMA/DCAA.

If we're going to be serious about reforming health care, anything that doesn't attempt to also address tort reform is falling short in my opinion.
 

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I agree. I would also like to see some form of Tort Reform, but not the kind most people trumpet. I would like to see any Tort Reform include a maximum fee earning for Lawyers in any cases related to Gov't health care similar to how we have to operate in Gov't contracting. We are capped at I think 10% fee earnings on certain types of contracts. It's criminal that families who suffer and are awarded these large settlements have to payout in some cases $40% of the award to attorneys (on top of the attorney fees which are built into the award). Further, I would like see an accountability of fees associated with these cases to attorneys accountable to a Gov't agency and auditing practice, DCMA/DCAA.

If we're going to be serious about reforming health care, anything that doesn't attempt to also address tort reform is falling short in my opinion.

And the attorneys have to pay costs if they lose.
 

mneilmont

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That's what amazing. How the public was told it was going to operate and like most govt programs, they **** the bed. Still the same number uninsured. The deductibles went way up and then the premiums did too. We could have gotten the same level of service by keeping what we had and not lost all the jobs and future hiring. You liberals are really a bunch of tools. Nothing improved and it has gotten worse in the job market and will not get better until ACA is done away with. Healthcare is a commodity like anything else. People talk about expensive healthcare bankrupting people. Well, that's what bankruptcy laws should be for and not for somebody putting too many TV sets on their credit cards.
I always found it amazing that they were attempting to tie into use of EMERGENCY ROOM ON THE WEEK END by people without insurance.

Why are ER costs on the weekend higher. If they are to be manned, there should be no difference in cost to the facility whether it is used or not. If it is used, there will be supply costs and x-ray maybe. If it is used, there are billable services for the facility...............WHO DO YOU BILL? If patient has insurance bill the insurance company.

The booger came when there was no insurance protection. Obama and all Democrats elected to pass OBAMACARE. This has boogered up the whole medical/insurance/economy/employment and everything else. Taxes is going to catch most of it except the few costs passed to insured patients.

Instead of OBAMACARE, the easy solution would have been to bill the government to cover the uninsured. That way, we only get billed when uninsured people use the ER. Now government is picking up insurance policies monthly premium whether it is used or not. This picks up those with priors who could not get coverage. Instead, the government gets all of the universe involved with Obamacare?????????????????? It even gives the one payer system for those without insurance coverage.
 

mneilmont

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Impingement of the ulnar nerve. Ice and physical therapy worked. Took 800 mg Ibuprofen when it got bad. Lasted for about 5 weeks and haven't had serious problems the past week. I have had moments of tingling, but it quickly goes away.
Thanks, where did you apply ice pack. I have used radiant heat a few times with no impact. And my Dr. did tell me it was possibly from some infection in the elbow. You gave a little more to work with. Even named the trouble spot.
 

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Thanks, where did you apply ice pack. I have used radiant heat a few times with no impact. And my Dr. did tell me it was possibly from some infection in the elbow. You gave a little more to work with. Even named the trouble spot.

I placed an ice pack just slightly below my elbow, but it depends on where your discomfort is. Some is slightly below, others slightly above. I placed mine on the outside of my forearm just below the elbow. I did that for 15-20 minutes on/off at least 3 times a day. After just 3 days I saw great improvement and relief. The doctor said where I'm relatively active, constantly working with my arms or golfing or throwing and at my age that it was inevitable that my ulnar nerve was to get caught up.

Now, another doctor said basically the same things but added that it could be an entrapment in the neck region, but that was ONLY if both arms are having problems. He said since it was basically one arm, that it was probably in the elbow or shoulder.
 
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I'll be on my way back from NOLA. Thanks for the invite though. That's very thoughtful.

Are you going down there to help? My best friend from dental school lies in Metairie. I texted them and they were going on a 10 day trip to Scotland starting yesterday. Lydia's family was up tere where all this flooding is going on. Terrible.
 
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Are you going down there to help? My best friend from dental school lies in Metairie. I texted them and they were going on a 10 day trip to Scotland starting yesterday. Lydia's family was up tere where all this flooding is going on. Terrible.

Unfortunately, not to help. It's for a meeting. Yes, the flooding is terrible. I cringe every time something like this happens. I think of the costs to us as a nation.
 

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Unfortunately, not to help. It's for a meeting. Yes, the flooding is terrible. I cringe every time something like this happens. I think of the costs to us as a nation.

Mother nature is a *****. A lot of good places to eat down there. I never made it to Commander's Palace.
 

Mntneer

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Wingnuts gone crazy. They are all over the place bitching about their premiums going up and then bitching about the insurance companies need to make more and more profits.

How about a system that offers the citizens of this country fair and good coverage for all citizens? This is the goal and what was needing fixed before the ACA. The ACA has helped along some of these lines but has not been fully successful. The country can do better but for god's sake, don't lose sight of the problem and the problem is not that insurance companies are not making enough money. The problem is ensuring ALL citizens have access to health care at a REASONABLE cost regardless of their health status while at the same time not putting too much negative pressure on the taxpayers or the macro economic environment of everything Health care touches. Attempting to compare Health Care to the contruction business and all the other nonsense that has been posted by every whacko on this board just shows how flippin ignorant you are.

No one was attempting to compare Health Care to any other industry. I was pointing the flaw in doc's logic, where he attempted to educate fellow business owners as to what it takes to run a successful business. The one the lap dogs of the forum "liked" up without thought.

And no one is bitching about insurance companies not making enough profits.

The ACA has been a failure because it attempted to treat health care as a free market commodity, which it is not. We all want access to health care at a reasonable cost, but attempting to drive people to insurance doesn't address that cost, and certainly doesn't lower it. You want to tackle that cost, you need to go way beyond insurance reform.
 

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No one was attempting to compare Health Care to any other industry. I was pointing the flaw in doc's logic, where he attempted to educate fellow business owners as to what it takes to run a successful business. The one the lap dogs of the forum "liked" up without thought.

And no one is bitching about insurance companies not making enough profits.

The ACA has been a failure because it attempted to treat health care as a free market commodity, which it is not. We all want access to health care at a reasonable cost, but attempting to drive people to insurance doesn't address that cost, and certainly doesn't lower it. You want to tackle that cost, you need to go way beyond insurance reform.
It'll take several iterations and presidents to work this out. But we need to keep moving toward something.
 

Mntneer

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It'll take several iterations and presidents to work this out. But we need to keep moving toward something.

But you need to move towards something that works. The notion that we had to do something to just do something, only makes the problem worse.

Some very hard decisions are going to have to be made in regards to the health care industry, decisions not everyone is going to like.
 

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But you need to move towards something that works. The notion that we had to do something to just do something, only makes the problem worse.

Some very hard decisions are going to have to be made in regards to the health care industry, decisions not everyone is going to like.
I think it can be argued that the first step had to include offering coverage to everyone. No more of the pre-existing condition loopholes, lifetime caps, etc. I don't think we have as far to go as everyone believes. We need to grow the total coverage pool and reduce or, more realistically, slow down the actual costs of health care (ambulance rides, er visits, old people, etc.).
 

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Been working in Canada and Britain.....

You need to brush up on a few things. In Canada the orthopods are only allowed so many joint replacements per quarter. It can take much longer to get the needed treatment and they are a much smaller country that doesn't have the immigration problem we do.
 

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I think it can be argued that the first step had to include offering coverage to everyone. No more of the pre-existing condition loopholes, lifetime caps, etc. I don't think we have as far to go as everyone believes. We need to grow the total coverage pool and reduce or, more realistically, slow down the actual costs of health care (ambulance rides, er visits, old people, etc.).
I say **** the olds. People live too damn long in this country. We need to combat this boomer problem that is going to wreck our country.

#deathpanelsaren'tbad
 

mneilmont

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I say **** the olds. People live too damn long in this country. We need to combat this boomer problem that is going to wreck our country.

#deathpanelsaren'tbad
When people get so old/to old, they are not worth a crap for anything. When they serve no useful purpose, why not give them one more assign, to remove someone who has become detrimental to the country and society. They will have served their purpose in life and may be exterminated as they see proper. Not sure ***** one to death is possible, but it would be something to look forward to.
 

wvu2007

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Estimated population in 2015: 321,418,820

% of Population by Age Group:

Under 5 years old: 6.2%
5 to 9 years old: 6.4%
10 to 14 years old: 6.4%
15 to 19 years old: 6.6%
20 to 24 years old: 7%
25 to 29 years old: 7%
30 to 34 years old: 6.7%
35 to 39 years old: 6.3%
40 to 44 years old: 6.3%
45 to 49 years old: 6.5%
50 to 54 years old: 7%
55 to 59 years old: 6.8%
60 to 64 years old: 6%
65 to 69 years old: 5%
70 to 74 years old: 3.6%
75 to 79 years old: 2.5%
80 to 85 years old: 1.8%
85 years and over: 2.0%

It's clear that we need to kill off anyone 20 to 29 years old and those 50 to 54 years old.
 

mneilmont

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Estimated population in 2015: 321,418,820

% of Population by Age Group:

Under 5 years old: 6.2%
5 to 9 years old: 6.4%
10 to 14 years old: 6.4%
15 to 19 years old: 6.6%
20 to 24 years old: 7%
25 to 29 years old: 7%
30 to 34 years old: 6.7%
35 to 39 years old: 6.3%
40 to 44 years old: 6.3%
45 to 49 years old: 6.5%
50 to 54 years old: 7%
55 to 59 years old: 6.8%
60 to 64 years old: 6%
65 to 69 years old: 5%
70 to 74 years old: 3.6%
75 to 79 years old: 2.5%
80 to 85 years old: 1.8%
85 years and over: 2.0%

It's clear that we need to kill off anyone 20 to 29 years old and those 50 to 54 years old.
That would miss me and would not accomplish the dog's request. I really don't know what your request would accomplish, but it sounds like a good program to practice for a few years to test the results.