A Storm is Brewing
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Mississippi State men's basketball team is working and pushing towards a promising new season.
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National Championship or bust.
Interesting read. We definitely infused the team with new blood. They could make some noise if the influx of transfers play well with others, or it will be a train wreck battle of personalities with no chemistry.
I can guarantee you a trip to the Final Four in 2-3 years with my new NIL plan... Gonna need you to use your connections to push this up the ladder Coleman.
Now here me out.
Chris Lemonis needs to start a hot sauce business. Pay Lemonis $10 million a year as the Mississippi State Baseball coach. He can then personally pay 5-7 elite Mississippi State basketball players @ $500+K per year NIL to promote his hot sauce. He's still making 5 times his previous salary and in a few years, Howland will have a title and can return the favor with a craft bbq sauce business when he gets a big raise for winning the Natty.... The best part is, the hot sauce and bbq sauce business will lose there asses and provide the coaches with great tax write off.
Why do I always have to think of this ****?
Now here me out.
Chris Lemonis needs to start a hot sauce business. Pay Lemonis $10 million a year as the Mississippi State Baseball coach. He can then personally pay 5-7 elite Mississippi State basketball players @ $500+K per year NIL to promote his hot sauce. He's still making 5 times his previous salary and in a few years, Howland will have a title and can return the favor with a craft bbq sauce business when he gets a big raise for winning the Natty.... The best part is, the hot sauce and bbq sauce business will lose there asses and provide the coaches with great tax write off.
Why do I always have to think of this ****?
Say what? We're 38-34 in the SEC over the last 4 years. That's pretty solid, well above "shipwreck" level.
Appreciate the article. Very good article and creates wool. ...Feels like all of the preseason football hype over the years, though. I will believe it when I see it,
Hype it is, but they definitely have the players. If these guys don't have a good run in the big dance you sure can't blame it on lack of talent.
The one consistency with with Ben Howland teams since he's been in Starkville is how inconsistent they are. Can put on a show for two straight games and then go lose to a bottom dweller two games in a row.
You just never know what you're going to get. You'll see the showcases of talent and then the next week the apathy. We know the talent is there on paper for the 2021-2022 season but we know they'll be up and down all season. Six seasons at MSU...we've all seen it. 51-57 in SEC play
You just never know what you're going to get. You'll see the showcases of talent and then the next week the apathy. We know the talent is there on paper for the 2021-2022 season but we know they'll be up and down all season. Six seasons at MSU...we've all seen it. 51-57 in SEC play
I'm so confused...I thought we were supposed to openly root for the demise of all the other sports programs at the school now that we solidified the "baseball school" moniker.
I am looking forward to watching this group play, knowing full well that this is still going to be the Howland experience to a tee. We will show flashes of being really good, win just enough to accomplish the bare minimum, but that’s about it, and we will have some incredibly frustrating losses along the way (one of them most likely being to Ole Miss).
Anyone expecting anything different probably hasn’t paid that close attention the last six years. You kinda know what you’re getting from Howland at this point. It’s by no means bad, it just has a definite ceiling.
Anyone expecting anything different probably hasn’t paid that close attention the last six years. You kinda know what you’re getting from Howland at this point. It’s by no means bad, it just has a definite ceiling.
Cohen needs to work that magic he developed to "help" us win the National Championship! Not only give us the title but make sure Ole Miss gets screwed if they make the post season!
You can do it IB!!!
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I agree, but I am excited for this group. My maroon colored glasses and magic ju-ju dust tell me this team is making a sweet sixteen run, but history tells me that I am going to be very frustrated watching us getting schooled in the 2nd round of the Tourney.
Really wish the people that hate basketball would permanently stop commenting on basketball threads. It's so annoying. Same thing doesn't happen in football or baseball threads and maybe that's because there's way less people that hate those two sports but there's certainly a ton of people that hate basketball and they all seem to love to comment toxicity into every single basketball thread ever posted.
Yep, I hate always saying what if, but dang, if this team had been able to get DJ Stewart back for one more season (and there was no obvious reason for him to go pro) there is no telling what this team might could accomplish. Just going to be hard to replicate his offensive perimeter game. Yes, we improved in other places but our guard production on the offensive end will take a step back. Certainly should be an NCAA tourney team though no question.
This is the same thing for most programs that arent consistently in the top 20 year after year- they win a couple and can then absolutely lose to a lesser team. That seriously describes a ton of programs in the 2nd tier of D1. Its hardly unique to MSU and based on general trends, the only way to stop it is to become a perennial top20 program.
-"It's so annoying" That's a good one, you talking about someone being annoying
-"Same thing doesn't happen in football or baseball threads" Are you freaking kidding, coming down w/ a case of dementia maybe? We just finished a National Championship season in baseball and EVERY DAY SINCE IT STARTED there was negativity posted about players, seat availability, lack of hitting, infield fielding errors, infield throwing errors, terrible bunting, starting pitching, pitching coach..............need I go on? You have lost it evidently
-"Same thing doesn't happen in football or baseball threads" Are you freaking kidding, coming down w/ a case of dementia maybe? We just finished a National Championship season in baseball and EVERY DAY SINCE IT STARTED there was negativity posted about players, seat availability, lack of hitting, infield fielding errors, infield throwing errors, terrible bunting, starting pitching, pitching coach..............need I go on? You have lost it evidently
I don’t hate basketball or our team. We’re just not good or fun to watch. We play very slow. If we didn’t have a shot clock, I’m pretty sure howland would run the Four Corners offense. At least we have the exciting and well orchestrated end of half possessions to look forward to.**
I doubt many here hate basketball. I don't think that's the same thing as hating that our program isn't what it used to be or that we've been maddeningly inconsistent under Howland. Those aren't controversial positions to take.
I will watch pretty much every game and root for the team to win all of them. But at a certain point you learn to accept that we are what we are.
Howland is easily a Top 5 men’s basketball coach in our history, but he’s won a lot of games without much to show for it. Six years in we have one NCAA Tourney where we went one and done and two deep NIT runs. I think it’s probably wishful thinking to expect much more than that from any of his teams.
We are no doubt going to be talented this year… we’ve also been plenty talented for the majority of the Howland era and the results are largely the same from year to year.
What did it used to be? An inconsistent program under Rick Stansbury. You can go back to every single year since after 96 and show examples of inconsistency.
Competing for SEC titles? More frequent trips to the big dance? Packed arenas and fanbase enthusiasm? A more aggressive style of play, particularly on the defensive end?
If you're saying we were inconsistent and even underperforming at times under Stansbury, I'm not going to disagree with that at all. I thought moving on from Stansbury was the wise move at the time and it wasn't canning Stansbury that set us back - but rather who we hired to replace him. Some reseating decisions by the administration also contributed to the downfall. But we are not where we once were as a program right now and that's not a controversial position to take, either.
If you were told on the day we hired Howland what our program would look like five years later, would you have been excited about that? We all expected more when he was hired than what we've gotten to this point. Again, I don't think that's even controversial.
Would Howland have more wins here if the athletic department didn't destroy the Hump's atmosphere and if he wasn't following Rick Ray?
What the administration did there didn't help, but you can't tell me Howland would have more wins any more than I can tell you he wouldn't. There would have been the same players, the same curious offensive sets, the same defensive lapses, the same lack of effort at times on the glass.
You're totally missing the point which is not at all surprising. And your blind defense of Howland is interesting to say the least.
I'm not deflecting anything. I keep countering your point and you keep remaking the same point. So I'm pushing away from the table. That's not deflecting. That's escaping the retard vortex.
Anything less than making it to the Round of 32 will be considered a disappointment. Team is talented enough to make it to the sweet 16.