A serious question for Schiano lovers

[Caliknight]

Why not? Are you and your mighty Olympians going to restore RU's reputation on the national stage? Oh sorry I forgot your favorite sport isn't played in many places.

Except it’s about to be in the Olympics which means it’s played in over 30 countries. And of course it’s played in every state in the union. Why isn’t football in the Olympics? Do you always spout off about things you don’t know anything about or just sports?

Here is a fun fact. Last RU sport ranked number 1? Lacrosse. Schiano take note. He could learn how to compete against the best.

 

[MYHATINTHERING]

What’s there to refute?

you just proved my point from my earlier post. I suggest you reread the response that led to my respsonse. If you don't see anything there to refute, pick up a history of RU football and educate yourself because nothing he said on Greg was factually incorrect.

 

[zappaa]

group think, 9th man, being prudent, take your pic. I'd also say with 100% confidence you are yourself in a bubble which negates any real objectivity here.

Oddly, I don't recall anyone on this board, yourself included, ever saying sports writers are the brightest or most in in tune with the subject around....... what's changed?

Agree about writers, but they set public narrative, and Schiano won them over locally and Nationally.
It’s not remotely group think, it’s consensus.

 

[Caliknight]

Agree about writers, but they set public narrative, and Schiano won them over locally and Nationally.
It’s not remotely group think, it’s consensus.

Will those same writers be correct when they are lambasting the school for spending as much as we do on Schiano and sports? You’re lying in bed with fleas with that argument.

 

[zappaa]

you just proved my point from my earlier post. I suggest you reread the response that led to my respsonse. If you don't see anything there to refute, pick up a history of RU football and educate yourself because nothing he said on Greg was factually incorrect.

And my very long list of his accomplishments
which I’m sure you’ve read can not be refuted.
His long winded post of never won a Championship or went to a BCS bowl is duly noted.
I find the complaint completely unimportant

 

[zappaa]

Will those same writers be correct when they are lambasting the school for spending as much as we do on Schiano and sports? You’re lying in bed with fleas with that argument.

Another thing I couldn’t care less about

 

[zappaa]

You may love Coach Hayes, but you know full well he was an awful game coach...lol

I’ve know way to many ex RU lacrosse players including two in the RU hall of fame who thought Hayes was the sole reason they didn’t win

 

[vandalen1]

So basically Flood can "win" a big east title with Greg's players - but Greg could not. He was busy getting blown out by Uconn with those players. Decade of building and the best he could do was Texas bowls and Yankee bowls. And he needed to schedule meac schools + army & navy every yr - just to accomplish that. Hes gotten exposed the moment he no longer had weak schedules to fall back on. Osu couldn't be more improved after letting him go. It's a reason no one else wants him. He's low caliber head coach. It just so happens RU keeps hiring midgets even smaller than him

They were the 2012 class, the best class he ever had. and those are the guys that then won the Big East.

 

[Caliknight]

I’ve know way to many ex RU lacrosse players including two in the RU hall of fame who thought Hayes was the sole reason they didn’t win

That’s cool, I know far more others that feel differently. I also know there are players that played under Schiano that feel the same.

 

[Caliknight]

Another thing I couldn’t care less about

You care enough to reference them now that they are pro Schiano.

 

[graystork]

Except it’s about to be in the Olympics which means it’s played in over 30 countries. And of course it’s played in every state in the union. Why isn’t football in the Olympics? Do you always spout off about things you don’t know anything about or just sports?

Here is a fun fact. Last RU sport ranked number 1? Lacrosse. Schiano take note. He could learn how to compete against the best.

Wow #1 in lacrosse. Well if football still played Yale and Penn I'm sure they'd do better too. Every state in the union? Yeah in high school. Olympics? Please so are rhythmic gymnastics and synchronized swimming. And they've been there for years and this will be lacrosse's first year? Yeah be proud. I'm sure Rutgers athletic reputation is going to be revitalized by you and your ilk. Nope not worth the money. Spend the money on Schiano, build the field house. If there's anything left over maybe you can have some.

 

[Caliknight]

Wow #1 in lacrosse. Well if football still played Yale and Penn I'm sure they'd do better too. Every state in the union? Yeah in high school. Olympics? Please so are rhythmic gymnastics and synchronized swimming. And they've been there for years and this will be lacrosse's first year? Yeah be proud. I'm sure Rutgers athletic reputation is going to be revitalized by you and your ilk. Nope not worth the money. Spend the money on Schiano, build the field house. If there's anything left over maybe you can have some.

Yea, number 1. We don’t play Yale or Penn, man are you behind the times. You think lacrosse is still played with wooden sticks don’t you?

Yea, me and my ilk. Including the 97% graduation rate and successful people that go give back to RU more than any other group of athletes. Including football. You are just dumb enough to knock that.

What sport did you play? Let’s check tape.

 

[graystork]

Oh so you don't play the presently ranked #3 and #4 teams in the country? Well so much for your strength of schedule. I couldn't care less how much money you have but that may be a big deal for a sport that's primarily Ivy League and eastern private schools. Is that where you get your misplaced sense of superiority? Me? I played basketball and volleyball, high school and college. And unlike you I'm not looking to hamstring Rutgers only realistic chance to build a successful and profitable athletic department just to benefit a sport I happened to play. See I take a larger view that just because I played a sport, that doesn't make it the most important thing at Rutgers. A shame you can't figure that out.

 

[RUMassAlum]

For one. Floods team that “won” the big East was all schiano guys.
Schiano literally took a d1-as program who had been to one bowl in 125 years and got them to be ranked in the top 15 in the final polls within 5 years. He went to 7 bowl games. We have been to a total of 3 bowl games in the 140 years he wasn’t a coach.
he ran a very clean program that was top APR every year.
he recruited at the highest level ever for Rutgers
He built the facilities and stadium expansion.
Very few scandals or arrests.
He was more than a coach to many players and students and alumni. See Legrand
We went from 5k season tickets to a waiting list under him.
HE IS THE REASON WE ARE IN THE BIG!!

there is no candidate right now interested in this job that will better meet our needs then Greg. At the very least he will reunite the fanbase and bring in recruits and get facilities built.

Thank you. My feelings exactly, nicely stated. The Schiano skeptics just don't understand that period. Perhaps a portion of them didn't actually live through his tenure: Schiano .is literally the only person who can instantly restore a degree of credibility and hope the moment he is hired. Otherwise, we remain a joke and a pariah program.

 

[Caliknight]

Oh so you don't play the presently ranked #3 and #4 teams in the country? Well so much for your strength of schedule. I couldn't care less how much money you have but that may be a big deal for a sport that's primarily Ivy League and eastern private schools. Is that where you get your misplaced sense of superiority? Me? I played basketball and volleyball, high school and college. And unlike you I'm not looking to hamstring Rutgers only realistic chance to build a successful and profitable athletic department just to benefit a sport I happened to play. See I take a larger view that just because I played a sport, that doesn't make it the most important thing at Rutgers. A shame you can't figure that out.

Woah, you sound angry. Our SS is more than fine. I get it now. You didn’t go to Rutgers. Thanks for supporting a small faction of my alma mater. Appreciate it. Enjoy who we decide to coach our football team.

 

[graystork]

Woah, you sound angry. Our SS is more than fine. I get it now. You didn’t go to Rutgers. Thanks for supporting a small faction of my alma mater. Appreciate it. Enjoy who we decide to coach our football team.

Oh it's already been decided. And you and your twenty angry men will have nothing to say about it.
Well that's wrong. There will be continued whining and moaning, but no one will listen. You just won't have any part in the decision. Enjoy the rebirth of Rutgers football.

 

[Caliknight]

Oh it's already been decided. And you and your twenty angry men will have nothing to say about it.

You’re late to the party. Thanks again for your support of my school. We got it from here.

 

[ru66]

where have some of you guys been , lacrosse is an EXTREMELY popular/important sport in NJ--actually more HS kids are probably playing it than football and it's spreading nationally not just the east coast---burying your heads in the sand or attacking another RU sport to serve your purpose sucks big time

 

[Caliknight]

where have some of you guys been , lacrosse is an EXTREMELY popular/important sport in NJ--actually more HS kids are probably playing it than football and it's spreading nationally not just the east coast---burying your heads in the sand or attacking another RU sport to serve your purpose sucks big time

He’s a male volleyball player lol. He can’t be expected to be relevant and current. And he didn’t go to RU. His opinion on such subjects are meaningless.

 

[graystork]

You’re late to the party. Thanks again for your support of my school. We got it from here.

You got it? You're not even a ticket holder. Nice try. Go back to donating to the lacrosse team. The big boy sports don't need you.

 

[ru66]

twenty ??? guess what many , many more NJ residents don't give a crap about RU and more so about our fb team and think our loyalty to Schiano is asisine--many just resent RU and many of you help enforce those attitudes---- and who is this guy who makes sense, one of the twenty ? https://www.offtackleempire.com/201...iano-should-come-coach-rutgers-football-again

 

[Caliknight]

You got it? You're not even a ticket holder. Nice try. Go back to donating to the lacrosse team. The big boy sports don't need you.

Lol, not even an alum. I get it, I really do. Thanks again. Hope you enjoy the coach we chose. Don’t forget to buy those season tickets.

 

[graystork]

Lol, not even an alum. I get it, I really do. Thanks again. Hope you enjoy the coach we chose. Don’t forget to buy those season tickets.

Too funny. Your sense of self-importance is mind-boggling. OK Napoleon you go right ahead and pick the next coach if it makes you feel better. I will retire for the evening basking in the knowledge that the bullet you think you dodged is about to reacquaint itself with you.

 

[Caliknight]

You really need to catch up. I’m glad we could make you happy. I like non alums supporting my school. Like I said, get those season tickets you promised. Night!

 

[ru66]

many ,not all, non alums are part of the bunch who NEVER find anything good about RU, not just sports but our unbelievable academic status--that's why many lack loyalty and love to complain --AND THEY CERTAINLY DON'T GIVE

 

[graystork]

He’s a male volleyball player lol. He can’t be expected to be relevant and current. And he didn’t go to RU. His opinion on such subjects are meaningless.

Wow I missed this one. The logic of this is just unassailable. I didn't realize that not playing lacrosse or being a Rutgers alum invalidated my life. Damn, and I had so much planned.

Disappointing Cali that's the best you could do. Well thanks for playing.

 

[Caliknight]

Haha, you said you were going to bed and are really scouring this thread re reading my posts lol. I’m stating to feel very important to you.

Go to bed, maybe there will be a present for you soon. Most importantly, buy those season tix! Thanks!

 

[wheezer]

Those who would rather have a different coach should tell us who they want instead, instead of just pointing out Greg's faults

And make it a realistic choice, both with being available, financially
And being in the marketplace

Tell me who could hit the ground harder than Greg, get the people of the state behind the program better

Who could come in and keep any of the talent here from leaving, and appeal to those high school seniors and portal possibilities, to help quickly turn it around

Who aside from Greg could generate excitement and a buzz about the program

All honest answers are appreciated. No more just knocking Greg unless you can come up with answers.
.

 

[Candiru]

Haha, you said you were going to bed and are really scouring this thread re reading my posts lol. I’m stating to feel very important to you.

Go to bed, maybe there will be a present for you soon. Most importantly, buy those season tix! Thanks!

Who’s your choice as head coach? You seem very angry. Why are you so perpetually combative and antagonistic? If you’re bringing issues, bring some solutions. Who is in your opinion the person to be head coach of the RU football team? Why?

 

[Jumba72]

Schiano spent 11 years at Rutgers and never won a conference title. Heck, Flood figured out how to do that. His last three seasons on the banks his best finish was 4th place in the crappy old Big East.
Why do you remember him being as a guy which after more than a decade on the job could only deliver a crappy 4th place in a conference much weaker than the BigTen? And why do you believe he will somehow do better and not be completely outmatched by better game day coaches like he was for 11 years in the old Big East?

In the crappy old BE he managed twice to beat the #2 ranked team. He was able to recruit great classes. No, he was not a tactical X and O genius. Had he reached his plateau? Maybe not, and that's why. He gave us a better shot than anyone ever did. Can he do more? Let's find out. If it falls short I'm still happy to take the chance.

 

[Kbee3]

He gave us a better shot than anyone ever did.

Before GS got here RU football was a joke.
It's a joke again.
Why wouldn't every Rutgers fan want him back ?

 

[waretown]

You’re late to the party. Thanks again for your support of my school. We got it from here.

cali, still pissed that ash was let go? i guess someone has to be hobbs butt boy, you sing the same song he does

 

[zappaa]

RU 66... makes it 21.

 

[NorthernKnight_rivals]

twenty ??? guess what many , many more NJ residents don't give a crap about RU and more so about our fb team and think our loyalty to Schiano is asisine--many just resent RU and many of you help enforce those attitudes---- and who is this guy who makes sense, one of the twenty ? https://www.offtackleempire.com/201...iano-should-come-coach-rutgers-football-again

I wear Rutgers Proudly. And I’m perfectly willing to go toe to toe with the NJ ******** that always try to tear it down.

 

[RUtrumpet92_rivals498139]

Don't expect an answer on who would be a better choice to coach our team right now.

This really shouldn't be a case of sport vs. sport. We are in the B1G and should be able to support many strong programs. But the anti-Schiano side has to admit when it comes to the overall athletic reputation for a school, the most important sport in college athletics today is football and it is not even close. Second is men's basketball and it's not close there either. Why? The other sports don't draw eyeballs or have a chance to generate real revenue.

I want us to be strong in every sport we offer but it would do more for our school to run a clean 6-8 win football program with average non-defense sports than to win two games a year, getting blown out several times a season, with top 20 non-revenue sports. IMO Greg has the highest floor by far of the names being mentioned. Is his failing as high as the next hot coordinator, like maybe Hafley? Unknown but I will take the risk with Schiano backed with real money for a strong staff. I expect he will get us bowling again and rebuild the program. Then we need to NOT BE CHEAP again whenever it is time to replace him.

 

[KingHigh]

Schiano spent 11 years at Rutgers and never won a conference title. Heck, Flood figured out how to do that. His last three seasons on the banks his best finish was 4th place in the crappy old Big East.
Why do you remember him being as a guy which after more than a decade on the job could only deliver a crappy 4th place in a conference much weaker than the BigTen? And why do you believe he will somehow do better and not be completely outmatched by better game day coaches like he was for 11 years in the old Big East?

Why? BDE

 

[zappaa]

twenty ??? guess what many , many more NJ residents don't give a crap about RU and more so about our fb team and think our loyalty to Schiano is asisine--many just resent RU and many of you help enforce those attitudes---- and who is this guy who makes sense, one of the twenty ? https://www.offtackleempire.com/201...iano-should-come-coach-rutgers-football-again

Say what?
There will always be sport writers who take the opposite view to create controversy.
The FACT is the overwhelming majority of media, sports enthusiasts and college football fans want Schiano.
Nobody gives a **** about the people who don’t care about RU football.
You are part of the huge minority.
Go sit with the knitting circle people who don’t even know football is on TV on Saturdays

 

[wheezer]

There are only two possibilities that would have a decent start at turning things around here.

That would be Schiano, the other being Hafley..

Hafley.gets added because of his recruiting ability, but his head coaching experience is zero.

Greg is less of a gamble

Again, we ask the 21 to provide names and then show the reasons why

 

[RURM85]

SIAP - Schiano has a niche. His niche is he was able to build a football program from scratch into a competitive and respectable program in about as difficult an environment as there is in the country. Yes, we know he had his flaws during the 11 seasons here and we can regurgitate them. Most coaches have their flaws. He also did a lot of good things in terms of academic success for his players and putting high quality players in the NFL that to this day are still successful NFL players. I trust Coach Belichick and Coach Meyer's opinions more than fans.

Some statistics used by posters, that believe there are better options out there, do not tell the whole story as stats are cherry picked and spun. For example, Tray Clavis and the Tennessee mob brought up his 1 game over .500 W-L record as proof that Tennessee deserves a winning coach and Schiano is nothing more than average based on record. Instead of taking the time to understand where he came from and what he had to do to get to a .500 record, they chose the path of exhibited pure and utter ignorance.

As for not winning a Big East Conference, factually true, however once again facts don't tell the entire story. The 2010 season was miserable due to the EL injury with Schiano, staff and players losing focus and playing football games were no longer the top priority. Schiano made significant changes in the off-season including raiding Wanny's old staff as Wanny was walking out the door. That led to a 2012 recruiting class that was most likely the best in Rutgers history. The entire 2012 team were all recruiting by Schiano and developed by Schiano. Flood was talking with Schiano weekly during the season for guidance. Yes, Flood was the HC when we shared a Big East title in 2012, however, not to give Schiano a huge assist for the title is not telling the entire story.

As for titles, most Rutgers fans believe we're not even close to this as a goal for the next HC. Most Rutgers fans believe the goal is to a hire a HC that will lead us to playing competitive and respectable football. Once achieved, we can talk about the next steps. At this juncture, for this fan, it's pretty clear Schiano will provide the fastest path to getting us to a mid-pack football program within the Big Ten, brick by brick. It's not going to be easy, however, he's the one coach that will have the largest support behind him to achieve the program playing competitive football. It's a no brainer as no coach that has Championships at this level from having to re-build a program is walking through the door.

 

[wheezer]

If Schiano gets the job I will be most interested as to who becomes the OC and the other position coaches on the offensive side

Most of our short comings in the past were on offense, and a lot of that can be helped with excellent minds on that side