That's UK's all-time winning percentage(before this season) So basically that means throughout history you win 3, lose 1. I don't know why some people act like we're never supposed to lose.
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Mainly because losing to sub 100 teams gives you terrible seeding for the NCAA tournament. It’s OK to lose, it’s just not OK to lose to really bad teams. We have lost to 3 really bad teams. One being a sub 200
SMH....
I understand UK is going to lay an egg from time to time, last night certainly falls into that category. I can take the team playing well and getting beaten by a team that plays better. I just really struggle with the team when they're playing so poorly against an inferior team and losing like that. Giving up 56 points in the 2nd half?!?!?! 
Love this board. We have a bad loss and that night there’s 50 threads about how the team sucks, cal has lost it, we’ll be lucky to make the tournament etc...... 12 hours later there’s 50 threads about how we shouldn’t panic, we’re actually really good, wait till March etc.....
rinse and repeat every loss
rinse and repeat every loss
26-8 is a truer representation.
24-7 is 77.4%
And our 76.4% is the greatest of all time. No ones is better and we only win historically 3 of 4 games. People can't seem to grasp that and are spoiled by the 38-1, 34-3. 36-2 seasons. Those aren't the norm for any team and never will be.
Win our next game and move to 13-4 and guess what thats exactly 76.4% right in line with our historic history.
well I just did that because there are only 31 regular season games. but if you stretch it into the SECT for 26-8... thats close to Tubby records...
Nobody said you should never lose. You shouldn't lose to such horrible teams as this USC team or worse Evansville at home. And you should do it consistently year after year after year. Right now we are not a top 5 program. Since 2015 we really haven't even been a top 10 level program. We seem to be consistently the 4th or 5th best team in the SEC and a probably sweet 16 exit. And no matter how many 1st round draft picks we bring in next year that's what will happen again. What you are seeing is the issues that arise from program instability. When you lose 7 or 8 players every year you can't be a really good team.
We are college basketball. We are the gold standard. We poop ice cream.
The 3 out of 4 argument first came up during Tubby's tenure, if that gives anyone any comfort.
Last night is kinda the last bad loss you are allowed to have.
Let’s hope it is the last one and this team wakes up completely and does what it has shown it can do.
As much as I love Cal it’s his put up or shut up year. This team has to make the E8 or FF or there’s going to be some interesting off season discussions.
Let’s hope it is the last one and this team wakes up completely and does what it has shown it can do.
As much as I love Cal it’s his put up or shut up year. This team has to make the E8 or FF or there’s going to be some interesting off season discussions.
I get what you're saying, but if you want to maintain that standard, you can't spend your L's on Evansville and blow games in the 2nd half when you're in control. It leaves a thin margin for error going forward.
To be fair, when healthy, this USCjr team is not as bad as they current ranking suggest. They spent most of the first 2 months dealing with injuries. Not saying they are a top team by any means, but if healthy the whole season, they would likely be quad 1.
No. We gotta go 38-2 every year and make it to a minimum of the FF or people will whine incessantly. Who gives a damn about historical averages over 117 years of basketball?
If we don’t reach a final four or win it all the season is a failure, correct? If that’s the case, the winningest program in the history of the sport is “successful” 14.5 percent of the time. Now I understand why some of y’all are so miserable.
Lets talk facts and not opinion. People such as yourself claim since 2015 Cal is almost Tubby.
UK past 4 seasons:
30-7 Elite 8
26-11 Sweet 16
32-6 Elite 8
27-9 Round of 32
115-33 for 77.7%
Average season 28.75-8.25
9 tourney wins
Tubbys Last 4
22-12 Round of 32
22-13 Round of 32
29-6 Elite 8
27-5 Round of 32
100-36 for 73.5%
Average Season 25-9
6 tourney wins
Thats a full 4.2% more losses and 15 less total wins. Tubby's problem was after that 2005 team he stopped recruiting and went 44-25 his final 2 years.
Now that we know its been in fact not Tubby numbers lets compare the top other teams since 2015.
From best to worst
Gonzaga (weak conference helps immensely here)
33-4 Elite 8
32-5 Sweet 16
37-2 Runner up
28-8 Sweet 16
130-19 for 87.2%
Average season 32.5-4.75
12 tourney wins
Villanova
26-10 Round of 32
36-4 Champion
32-4 Round of 32
35-5 Champion
129-23 for 84.8%
Average season 32.25-5.75
14 tourney wins
Virginia
35-3 Champions
31-3 First Round
23-11 Round of 32
29-8 Elite 8
118-25 for 82.5%
Average Season 29.5-6.25
10 tourney wins
Kansas
26-10 Round of 32
31-8 Final 4
31-5 Elite 8
33-5 Elite 8
120-28 for 81.0%
Average Season 30-7
11 tourney wins
UNC
29-7 Sweet 16
26-11 Round of 32
33-7 Champions
33-7 Runner up
121-32 for 79.0%
Average Season 30.25-8
11 tourney wins
we fall here: Stats posted above
Duke
32-6 Elite 8
29-8 Elite 8
28-9 Round of 32
25-11 Sweet 16
114-34 for 77.0%
Average Season 28.5-8.5
9 tourney wins
Michigan State
32-7 Final 4
30-5 Round of 32
20-15 Round of 32
29-6 First Round
111-33 for 77.0%
Average Season 27.75-8.25
6 tourney wins
So I assume if Cal is putting up Tubby numbers so are Coach K, Roy and Izzo? Sure I much prefer a top ranked team and 4 or less losses. I also realize that not sustainable every year and there will be down years and great years mixed in. Let it sink in that we are the best in history and average a 26-8 record. That's the best EVER.
It's called realistic expectations. It's not realistic to go 36-2 or even 32-5 every year. No one does and no one ever has. We are a contender 90% of the seasons and that's what makes us the best program in history.
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Let's do this again after this season when the 30-7 record will be gone and replaced by whatever 10+ loss season this is going to be.
thinking the exact same thing. I don’t think Cal is as bad as Tubby but there is no question there’s a bit of slippage the last few years.
Ummmm the 30-7 record was just last season LOL it doesn't fall off the 27-9 one does.
Current records of those teams this season
Gonzaga 18-1
Villanova 13-3
Virginia 11-5
Kansas 13-3
North Carolina 8-8
Duke 15-2
MSU 13-4
UK 12-4
So I doubt much changes. Keep pushing a false Narrative if you want. It's all about unreasonably set expectations. I'm not happy with this season up to now or how several of the past 4 seasons ended. What I do understand though is we aren't in some state of repair. We are still right there and competitive, law of averages says we will have a 2-4 loss season soon. Maybe that will appease the haters for a week or two.
My bad, read it wrong. All I'm saying is the past 5 years have been a let down. Maybe next year is the year they finally put it together. But, that's the same thing I heard last year and this year so I am not sure.
This is divorced from reality. It's nonsense. There are things to complain about - always, it's life. But when you spout stuff like this, without bothering to be informed, it just gives ammunition to those who want to label any criticism as "troll". Here you go:
We’ve been a 2, 5, 2, 4 seed during those years. Do you expect a 1 every year? Because that doesn’t jive with our history. We had a hot run 92-98 and another 2010-2015, outside of that we’ve been consistently good but not constantly great.
Seed/end result last 30 years
Pitino
90 - NA
91 - NA
92 - 2/Elite 8
93 - 1/FF
94 - 3/ Rd of 32
95 - 1/Elite 8
96 - 1/Champions
97 - 1/Runner Up
Smith
98 - 2/Champions
99 - 2/Elite 8
00 - 5/Rd 32
01 - 2/S16
02 - 4/S16
03 - 1/E8
04 - 1/Rd 32
05 - 2/E8
06 - 8/R32
07 - 8/R32
Billy
08 - 11/R64
09 - NA
Cal
10 - 1/E8
11 - 4/FF
12 - 1/Champions
13 - Na
14 - 8/Runner up
15 - 1/FF
16 - 4/Rd 32
17 - 2/E8
18 - 5/S16
19 - 2/E8
I think it’s clear that every reasonable CATS fan expects a yearly one seed, at least a final four every year as the basis of tournament success (too many in a row and this standard becomes unacceptable), zero struggles during a season, high level basketball from start to finish regardless of roster make up, impeccable coaching regardless of roster makeup, for the crowd at Rupp to be better, and for Duke to lose every game.
I don’t know why that is unreasonable to anyone.
I don’t know why that is unreasonable to anyone.
I agree we are a good team. Probably going to get even better. These bad losses are going to make it hard come selection Sunday. When you have three sub 100 losses and one of them being a sub 200 loss that’s not good. Unless things change we are probably looking at a seven-ish seed
But NOT just any ole ice cream , its RUPP ARENA Ice Cream !
It’s not the frequency of losses that has the natives restless. It is the quality of the teams that are beating us that have some rustled.
Yeah because we are demanding 38-2. I showed that using the historical average as a defense for poor seasons is wrong because 24 regular season wins got Tubby pushed out 14 years ago.
some reason you want to skip this season so far? maybe because it shaping up to be the 3rd poor season out of these 5 years? 3 down years in a 5 year span isnt that good at a program that wants to fight for being the best program.
Out of the 4 supposed best programs , UK , UNC, Duke and KU....... since 2003 when roy and self took their jobs ........ none of them have gone 5 years without being a 1 seed... and this will be 5 years without UK being a 1 seed.
and before you say there is a chance....... nope, there isnt. our 3 bad losses with only Auburn being a shot at us getting big wins.... isnt going to cut it against other teams resume's for 1 seed.
and before you say there is a chance....... nope, there isnt. our 3 bad losses with only Auburn being a shot at us getting big wins.... isnt going to cut it against other teams resume's for 1 seed.
Come on man.
Evansville
Utah
South Carolina
Fans have a reason to piss and moan a little bit.
There are true diehard big blue fans on RR that are thrilled when we win and ticked when we lose. People that try to police and tell people how to be a fan are THEE most annoying on this site.
Evansville
Utah
South Carolina
Fans have a reason to piss and moan a little bit.
There are true diehard big blue fans on RR that are thrilled when we win and ticked when we lose. People that try to police and tell people how to be a fan are THEE most annoying on this site.
Bit of an ignorant post don’t you think? Nobody, not even Zaytoven, is saying UK should never lose.
But do you think it's cool to lose to sub 100 teams as often as we have this year? Evansville is a sub 200 team, you cool with that?
With the talent we have coming through these doors, 35-5 should be the goal. Nobody is saying 38-1 is the standard, not one person has said that.
Y'all need to stop exaggerating.
The is a straw man. The issue is not losing a game here and there. The issue is losing to multiple bad team (especially the other night when we controlled for most of it then let it slip away). It sucks to watch and does not bode well for seeding or for what we will do with that seed. It is okay to be frustrated...within reason.
Another ridiculous post. Nobody is saying this crap.
But I tell you what, with the talent we have coming through these doors, we shouldn't have 9 and 10 loss seasons, shouldn’t lose to sub 100 teams, shouldn't lose to sub 200 teams (especially at home).
We have 4 losses already. It's mid January and we have much tougher road games coming up. We have a second year 5* pg, a 2nd year 5* shooting guard, a junior center, a sophomore 5* forward and a legit 5* star 2 guard and we have 3 REALLY bad losses.
Excuse me for saying our coach has massively failed to this point this season.
Tell me I'm wrong? Tell me what part of my post is off.
Don't, don't, don't even play that stupid "youth" card. That will open up a can of worms that you don't want to open.
That may be true, no it is true but I will take every single year losing to an Evansville if we beat UL
No, just no.
Since when is beating Louisville a goal for UK?
The only way losing to Evansville at home is acceptable is if the season ends with a final four run.
Louisville is a joke, it's not like they're the Toronto Raptors.
I can't imagine thinking "I'm good with getting my *** kicked by an 11 year old girl, just as long as I kick the crap out of my 12 year old little brother".