It’s shocking the extent to which Rutgers has consistently sucked shooting the 3. Men’s, women’s, always the same thing. Pike needs to get shooters. Like every coach before him.
7% from 3
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It’s only one game but 7% is far cry from the 35% some people were hoping for..lol. We can improve a little from last year but we simply don’t have shooters.
I know this is a crappy response but there were so many shots that were halfway down tonight. Though I agree 7% is inexcusable regardless.
There really was legit half dozen in and outs
Well a 35% shooting team would expect to go 0 or 1 for 14 a little over 2% of the time.
Shooting threes well is such a difference maker and momemtum breaker. The ones Rutgers took were generally good wide open shots but just wouldn't go in.
Even worse was watching them miss layins and 4 footers. I can appreciate having a awful night from downtown, but the easy 2s were maddening.
Pike doesn’t care about offense he openly says it to everyone who listens. I will not waste breath or key strokes talking about how bad our shooting is for another year.
7% is a stupid number so I won’t get worked up with that it’s an outlier. But we don’t prioritize offense in practice and we don’t prioritize it on the recruiting trail.
This year Pike has said it’s his favorite team and I believe him, because it’s built to scrap defensively. But offensively it’s a mess.
I think there are enough pieces on this roster good enough to make a good offense (to Pikiells credit) but I don’t think Pikiell is interested in getting there.
7% is a stupid number so I won’t get worked up with that it’s an outlier. But we don’t prioritize offense in practice and we don’t prioritize it on the recruiting trail.
This year Pike has said it’s his favorite team and I believe him, because it’s built to scrap defensively. But offensively it’s a mess.
I think there are enough pieces on this roster good enough to make a good offense (to Pikiells credit) but I don’t think Pikiell is interested in getting there.
What does it even mean to say that bad shooting is “inexcusable”?
Don’t do that. He wants to score points he just prefers, openly, to dedicate a large majority of his time and effort working to stop teams from scoring points over scoring his own. He has said it over and over and over.
With the right defense, 1 point is all we need to win?
We were 1-8 in last year's opener and 3-21 the year before that.
Horrible, but it's just one game - I actually think we'll be fine from deep and really waiting to see Jones light it up from deep (as we heard he did in those scrimmages).
The score is 0-0, with 10 seconds left. Geo has the ball outside the three point line..
It’s really not one game though. Outside of Jones there aren’t new shooting faces really. Pretty much the same group that couldn’t consistently shoot ever.
I can’t say this enough. Scrimmages mean almost nothing.
All good, was mostly busting chops.
I got a bit frustrated in Caleb and Paul back there together. They do the dirty work, but I don’t find either of them to be scoring threats, which I think is what we’ll miss with JY (and I don’t fault him at all for leaving to pursue his MBA).
FWIW, I’ve got a lot to learn about basketball. As a guy built like a rugby player, basketball was a game only played on pavement.
that for normal teams that are of NCAA quality they have better 3 point shooting, for where our program is at, we are inexcusably bad at finding those who can consistently hit 3s..make no mistakes we are closer to the 1-14 team than the one that goes off for 12-18
I may have missed it if they did - but do you think RHJ or Hyatt should play more SG?
I dont like that Caleb is getting 34 minutes out of 45, Paul 38 out of 45 and Jones only 10.
We started 1-8 12.5% from 3pt range last year vs Sacred Heart, 1-13 tonight, problem is we didn't find the range on 2s either, 26-59 44%. Honestly, I don't like the idea or chemistry of Geo 4-15 (career 478-1223 38.3% FG, 185-570 32.5% 3pt, less than 30% the last 2 years), Caleb 2-5 (Career 176-459 38.3% FG, 44-155 28.4% 3pt), and Paul 3-11 on the same floor together. They shot 9 of 31 for a whopping 29% tonight, rest of the team 18-42, 42.9%, not great either.
With Mag out unspecified time, I'd like Caleb or Geo(combined 6-20 30%) off the bench and move Hyatt into the starting lineup. The rotation as follows, starters 25-30, #8-10, 8-10 minutes a game, Caleb and Jones as primary 6th and 7th get about 20-25. I don't think the minutes went exactly as Pike planned for.
1 Mulcahy/Miller
2 Geo/Caleb
3 RHJ/Jones
4 Hyatt/Agee
5 Cliff/Reiber
We can't have 2 career bad shooters on the floor for over 30 minutes a piece.
With Mag out unspecified time, I'd like Caleb or Geo(combined 6-20 30%) off the bench and move Hyatt into the starting lineup. The rotation as follows, starters 25-30, #8-10, 8-10 minutes a game, Caleb and Jones as primary 6th and 7th get about 20-25. I don't think the minutes went exactly as Pike planned for.
1 Mulcahy/Miller
2 Geo/Caleb
3 RHJ/Jones
4 Hyatt/Agee
5 Cliff/Reiber
We can't have 2 career bad shooters on the floor for over 30 minutes a piece.
Duke has multiple National Championships and is historically a great shooting team. We are the opposite of Duke.
It was one game, but Jones was a disaster on defense yesterday. When he was in, it was like we handed Lehigh free lanes to the basket. Now if we had a defensive guy like JY in with him to provide weak side help, we may be in a position to cover this up better. Right now we just don’t. It’s mostly an issue of coming up with a combo of 4 guys that Jones can play with that can stop a serviceable offense on the defensive end (and this was Evident against powerhouse Lehigh.. sigh).
Poor 3 or shooting is disappointing, but I was more concerned with being out rebounded by them.
I think that all comes down to the way Pike values defense over offense. And it's probably why Jones didnt get any real playing time second half of last year
For division 1 college players, 3 point shots are not (should not be) very hard. I've played with a lot of guys over the years who, given a bit of space/time, hit them like clockwork. What separates great shooters from not-so-great shooters is their ability to make the shots while under intense pressure, with a defender all over them.
Our guys have been extremely inconsistent hitting 3s, even when given plenty of time. And we all know how poor our free throw shooting has been. Both things should be a concern for the coaching staff, IMO.
Normal TV doesn't show the warmup periods, but streaming of B1G+ last night, I could observe the warmups. And our guys were missing a ton of shots. Which should be a concern as well. Because people tend to play like they practice.
That's fine, but to beat good 3 point shooting teams, you need to be elite from 2 point range. That means strong and consistent low post and midrange scoring. It remains to be seen if we have those kinds of players.
And they scored a lot of points in the paint. Most of them really easy layups. Part of me was thinking how Myles would've changed that aspect really quickly. I think Cliff has the same potential , but just like Myles .. he has to learn to be an interior defensive deterient without fouling. Took Myles awhile to learn that and he never quite perfected it.
I like your sense of humor making the case of what could have happened with mediocre 3 point shooting.Fan concern should be focused on the fact that most of the minutes are allocated to very experienced players who have shown little improvement in 3 point shooting.Such performances against B1G rivals will put Rutgers in a precarious position .
I wanted Myles to come off the bench at the 3 minute mark to save those first 2 fouls he would get at the start.