going to be tough, not sure with their amount of losses now at 10 they can get into top 30, they are going to have to start winning. They cannot afford to lose at Northwestern this weekend
30 NET/27 Kenpom/30 BART
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I'm amazed Purdue is still ahead of us in Kenpom after last night (21 vs. 23); they're well behind us in NET (21 vs. 38), which makes much more common sense to me. Could you imagine a 16-15 Purdue making it over a 20-11 RU (even with our Caldwell win)? At some point, I would assume wins and losses become a factor. I know you follow this stuff very closely - do NET and Kenpom converge a lot more by the end of the season? Kenpom also has 12 B1G teams in the top 39, while NET has them in the top 47, so from a big picture they're more similar.
#s...Its NET rankings that matter. I know some posters are caught up in other rankings but a ranking like kenpom merely appears in small print at the top of the sheet. All the quads and sos are derived from NET
At 21 up 2 spots..great place to be. Going to be hard to move up further but also because of the upcoming schedule we shouldn't move down too much even in defeat. Ohio State outrageous at 19
At 21 up 2 spots..great place to be. Going to be hard to move up further but also because of the upcoming schedule we shouldn't move down too much even in defeat. Ohio State outrageous at 19
It would be terrific if this RU team finds a way to win in Columbus. That road win could clinch a bid.
Yes...but Maryland at 14 is our biggest bounty left
It's all about beating the kenpom spread. in moving up and down kenpom.
But kenpom and bart are irrlelevant to NCAA committee
They won't converge. Kenpom doesn't care directly about wins and losses, just efficiency measures.
Honestly probably not. A neutral court win over a fading Michigan team probably won’t do much by year-end if the current ranking is already at 18. Unless it’s a 10+ point win or something
So here's what we have left as of these updated rankings:
"At" #35
At #12
#152
At #17
#29
#35
At #31
At #23
12
At #37
Has to be about as tough as it gets.
Kenpom IS using the Caldwell game as part of its data set which is why we lag in Kenpom but are higher in NET and Bart who are not using the Caldwell data. For those interested in following all three.
I honestly don't know what RU could do or will do down the stretch of the season, but there are so many opportunities for Q1 wins, that it just requires RU to play solid and the seedings/NCAAS will take care of itself.
Michigan twice, Maryland twice in itself is more than enough ammunition for an NCAA bid before even mentioning the other games.
Thats why i keep telling you peeps to concentrate on the Net. Some others around the country are not using NET sos when they critique RU and they are wrong
My buddy caught this and I think it’s a big reason why RU is 10-1 ATS in its last 11 though.
So, is it possible with what we have left to predict/surmise/guess what happens if we win X and lose Y for each combination - with an assumption that we MUST beat Northwestern?
So if we run the table over the remaining schedule, our NET ranking will be ?
With one loss?
With two?
I realize there's still a ton of moving parts (if we beat This team at home but lose to That one on the road...etc.,) but is this something that's feasible to figure out?
So if we run the table over the remaining schedule, our NET ranking will be ?
With one loss?
With two?
I realize there's still a ton of moving parts (if we beat This team at home but lose to That one on the road...etc.,) but is this something that's feasible to figure out?
If we ran the table, we'd be a top 5 NET team. That would put us at 26-5, 17-3 and around 15-4 vs Q1/2 games, the exact record against each tbd on how other teams finish. There is way too many variables in the other scenarios.
should RU win at Maryland, they can gain much of that back, Creighton had a big rise by winning at Nova. You can see at this point how tightly packed everyone is from 20-35
We went from 12th defense efficiency to 7th moved us up in Ken Pom, offense went down again. Expect us to move up in NET a couple with covering Maryland and PSU winning at MSU.
There are only so many opportunities left to get a win outside the RAC, and we've squandered four of them now (Illinois, Iowa, Michigan, Maryland) that were well within our grasp. We have four more chances.
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it can't be in the numbers...Caldwell isn't in the database so adjusted numbers can't be used.
SHU bouncing back, Purdue demolished Iowa....Iowa dropped from 22 to 30....Purdue went from 38, all the way to 29.
You see how tightly packed the Big 10 schools are. Huge drop off from Iowa so you see how margin if victory supposedly capped at 10 can change things. We lose Wisky as Quad 1 but gain Purdue..a pleasant surprise. Illinois/Michigan very close as well to Q1. Pitt became a Q2 loss
I don't know for sure, but I believe 10 point cap isn't a real thing for variable #2 offensive and defensive efficiency.
They don't let us under the hood so we don't know for sure. They said for variable #5 there was a 10 point cap, but it wasn't mentioned in variable #2 the defensive and offensive efficieny
PLUS not sure how you would cap at 10 there.
NET slipped to 29. I think RU is in danger of slipping a couple of spots even with a win today over Northwestern
Purdue got a huge boost and rocketed to 26. OSU at 17, PSU 19, Maryland 8, MSU refuses to fall at 13
Iowa moves ahead of RU to 28, Michgan closing in on top 30 at 31, Illinois 33, Wisky 37, Minny 40 and Indy lagging behind at 61
Purdue got a huge boost and rocketed to 26. OSU at 17, PSU 19, Maryland 8, MSU refuses to fall at 13
Iowa moves ahead of RU to 28, Michgan closing in on top 30 at 31, Illinois 33, Wisky 37, Minny 40 and Indy lagging behind at 61
Some of these NET numbers are baffling to me, in particular OSU and MSU are given too much credit while IL should be given more credit, imo.