3-4 defense . . .

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Yeah, I love it and it is really easy to install and teach. There are a few issues, like the TE will get a free release but we live with that. It works wonders on teams that try to run outside zone stuffl.

Interesting - do your dogs have cover responsibilities. This looks like you have 5 guys committed to the LOS each play with very vulnerable A gaps
 

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Interesting - do your dogs have cover responsibilities. This looks like you have 5 guys committed to the LOS each play with very vulnerable A gaps

They don't normally, no. A gap is usually the spot where teams will get some yards.

We do commit 5 but the dogs (that is what they call them, we have a difference name) can be coached to attack and then read but I don't do that it that way. I just give a call of "loose" and that brings them 3 yards off the *** of the DT and we then sit in a traditional 3-5 look.

NT and MLB share A gap duties but honestly we see so much shotgun stuff now that most teams don't attack that gap all that often and most don't have the patience to continue to attack it.

The OLB's being 5 yards wide is really key...it takes away almost anything to the outside.
 

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Do you ever come with the kitchen sink like Nu did on the last 4&10. We brought 8 defenders leaving 3 DBs man on their receivers. 14 yard gain, 1st down.

I am not a huge blitzer which is why I like this 3-5...it is sort of built to be aggressive and easy so it keeps me from being too safe.

Our 5 linebackers are numbered 1-2-3-4-5...#1 is always the LBer that is closest to me...so if I want to bring the house I give a pinch/loop call first and I would call out 1,2,3,4,5 and they would all be going.

But since 2,4 are pretty much always going (unless we are having them read) there is a decent amount of pressure at all times.

I don't like blitzing MLBers...if they miss there is just so much bad **** that can happen.

I like bringing OLBers on an automatic call anytime we see WR motion for a jet sweep. That is built in to what we do. So if motion comes from right to left our outside LBer on the side that the motion is coming towards comes right up attacks outside shoulder in hopes of turning it up...we don't want jet sweep to ever get a chance to bubble and get to the sidelines and upfield.

This 3-5 is great vs zone read teams because it takes away their read man...but if they have a QB that can run it still causes us fits.
 
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I am not a huge blitzer which is why I like this 3-5...it is sort of built to be aggressive and easy so it keeps me from being too safe.

Our 5 linebackers are numbered 1-2-3-4-5...#1 is always the LBer that is closest to me...so if I want to bring the house I give a pinch/loop call first and I would call out 1,2,3,4,5 and they would all be going.

But since 2,4 are pretty much always going (unless we are having them read) there is a decent amount of pressure at all times.

I don't like blitzing MLBers...if they miss there is just so much bad **** that can happen.

I like bringing OLBers on an automatic call anytime we see WR motion for a jet sweep. That is built in to what we do. So if motion comes from right to left our outside LBer on the side that the motion is coming towards comes right up attacks outside shoulder in hopes of turning it up...we don't want jet sweep to ever get a chance to bubble and get to the sidelines and upfield.

This 3-5 is great vs zone read teams because it takes away their read man...but if they have a QB that can run it still causes us fits.

Do both of your OLBs have the ability to roll back as a safety?
 

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Do both of your OLBs have the ability to roll back as a safety?
In theory, yes. But if we go into a two deep look I tend to change that during a timeout and get who I want back there.

That is a good question because we just had to do that last week and it was a backup who was in and he had to go play two-deep for us.

If we do go to a two deep look we also go with a loose call and our "dogs" are now 3-4 yards back and widen out...and our DE (or DT's if you prefer) widen and we tell them they are "sprinters" so their job is to align on the outside shoulder of the T or TE and to aim for the QB's nearest shoulder.
 
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Yeah here in Nebraska and class A. I guess I should not have said that we see a lot of the 3-5 but we see a lot of odd fronts. Depending on who you are playing...some teams we play I have no freaking clue what they are running. Fremont was like that, they ran about 7 different fronts, I don't think we ever figured out if it was on purpose or if they just had trouble lining up.
Sounds like Fremont
 
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5-2 is where it's at for me. You can always drop one back if needed, but I think the 3-4 sucks, unless you have 3 outstanding linemen that can play it, which most don't, so why even bother with it. Too many linebackers is a logistical nightmare of who covers what etc, and so I'd rather line up a 5-2 any day.
 
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5-2 is where it's at for me. You can always drop one back if needed, but I think the 3-4 sucks, unless you have 3 outstanding linemen that can play it, which most don't, so why even bother with it. Too many linebackers is a logistical nightmare of who covers what etc, and so I'd rather line up a 5-2 any day.

It can be a nightmare...with so many stunts and coverages. I love the idea of it but I am not a good enough coach to teach it well enough to be effective. That is why I went to that 3-5 and keep it as simple as possible, it essentially is a 5-2
 
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I am not a huge blitzer which is why I like this 3-5...it is sort of built to be aggressive and easy so it keeps me from being too safe.

Our 5 linebackers are numbered 1-2-3-4-5...#1 is always the LBer that is closest to me...so if I want to bring the house I give a pinch/loop call first and I would call out 1,2,3,4,5 and they would all be going.

But since 2,4 are pretty much always going (unless we are having them read) there is a decent amount of pressure at all times.

I don't like blitzing MLBers...if they miss there is just so much bad **** that can happen.

I like bringing OLBers on an automatic call anytime we see WR motion for a jet sweep. That is built in to what we do. So if motion comes from right to left our outside LBer on the side that the motion is coming towards comes right up attacks outside shoulder in hopes of turning it up...we don't want jet sweep to ever get a chance to bubble and get to the sidelines and upfield.

This 3-5 is great vs zone read teams because it takes away their read man...but if they have a QB that can run it still causes us fits.
Are class A schools playing mostly zone read these days too?
 

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Are class A schools playing mostly zone read these days too?
I think pretty much every team in every class has some element of it. There are teams that have it as their offense and their are teams that just have it as a play they run a few times a game, which I am not a fan of. I think you either are an option type team or you are not.
 
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Which defense is easier to recruit to ?? 3-4 or 4-3??

You better be able to recruit some freaks at OLB in a 3-4 or you are going to have your LBs in some pretty bad mismatches in coverage.

Or you have to be able to recruit freak d-lineman. I would assert it easier to bring in someone and build them into a linebacker...beef up a safety, slim down a DE...than to build a DT or DE...it takes years to develop good lineman. Plus in our a league where 75% of the teams run spread, it is nice to be able to throw a beefy nickel package as the base defense because teams will throw 4 wr out and still run the ball.
 

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Forgive me for not being a coach . . . . ;)

Why does ANYONE run a 3-4 defense????

Some coaches consider it because DT is one of if not the hardest position for many schools to recruit. Depending on how you run it, you can get by with one DT/ Nose Tackle (plus others to rotate in) vs two.

Like was stated by another poster, you need to find the right backers/ jumbo DE's. Some appear to be a variant of the old 52 monster D's with the DE's playing off of the ball as a linebacker.
 

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5-2 is where it's at for me. You can always drop one back if needed, but I think the 3-4 sucks, unless you have 3 outstanding linemen that can play it, which most don't, so why even bother with it. Too many linebackers is a logistical nightmare of who covers what etc, and so I'd rather line up a 5-2 any day.
If you watched Saturday you would note that a bunch of the time we had 5 guys on the LOS and depending on the call, we would either drop 1 or 2 off. At times we were basically running a 4 man front. Chin was mixing it up quite a bit.
 
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Ha! You should have seen our scouting book for that game, I think it was last year but it might have been two years ago now...I think one of the pages said something like "They will run multiple fronts against us...they do not execute any of them well"
The problem with that school is the same problem for a lot of packing plant towns. Lots of Hispanics that bring up the enrollment numbers and none of which play football. Fremont is in double trouble because their best athletes often go to Bergan and tear it up in C2.
 
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The problem with that school is the same problem for a lot of packing plant towns. Lots of Hispanics that bring up the enrollment numbers and none of which play football. Fremont is in double trouble because their best athletes often go to Bergan and tear it up in C2.

I hear you...Omaha South has/had 13 kids on their freshmen team this year.
 

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By the way...if you ever get the chance...read high school scouting reports if you can...they are comical. The **** that ends up in those things (in PC climate we have today) would get dudes fired.

The one we had last year for Burke was very positive though...especially when it came to that LB they have, I already forget his name. That MFer can play.
 
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I hear you...Omaha South has/had 13 kids on their freshmen team this year.
Yes it's very concerning for football in this state. With the state's demographics changing and the Concussion and CTE stuff football in this state is in serious trouble. I coach at the youth level and couple those facts with Huskers being as bad as they are and it's a nightmare scenario. When I was growing up Nebraska football was everything to kids in this state. Now you can't get them away from playing Fortnite for a couple hours to watch a game much less play the game themselves.
 

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Yes it's very concerning for football in this state. With the state's demographics changing and the Concussion and CTE stuff football in this state is in serious trouble. I coach at the youth level and couple those facts with Huskers being as bad as they are and it's a nightmare scenario. When I was growing up Nebraska football was everything to kids in this state. Now you can't get them away from playing Fortnite for a couple hours to watch a game much less play the game themselves.

Yeah, numbers are way down at the Youth and Middle School level.

What age do you coach?
 

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You can win with either a 3-4 or a 4-3. I think the big thing is knowing what the coverage is strong against and what it's weak against. I'm a big fan of not having too much ambiguity in assignments. Call a play that's really strong against one thing, and that defense should always stop it. If the other team calls the opposite play, your guys should know their assignments well enough and react quickly enough that it doesn't turn into a weakness. I also think your guys should know what's going on around them. Safeties and nickel and dime personnel should be expected to help in run support. Linebackers should know how to cover well. If you call a blitz, your coverage needs to be tight to defend against any quick passes. I think these things are all more important than whether the defense is 3-4 or 4-3. With as much as teams pass now, I think nickel and dime coverages should be more popular.
 
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