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I agree with your overall assessment. Assuming we keep the class together to date, I think Dean and Odoh are going to be high 4 stars by the end of the cycle. Odoh would be now if he did not get nicked up in his junior year. I’m super positive about every aspect of the class except for OL. I think it is a group that has a very high ceiling, but not as many college ready bodies as I would hope for. And it looks like we are going to lose Carter Jones to Clemson, which is very unfortunate.
Really? I'm loving this OL class so far. You can tell the staff have a very, very clear vision of what they want. The guys they're after are all huge (but not fat), tall, relentless and MEAN. Like "knock kids unconscious" mean. I've also noticed they're lightning fast off the line and never quit on a play. In 2-3 years--maybe sooner--we're going to have a really nasty offense line that intends to embarrass its opponents. It will be a starkly different style of offensive line play than we're used to, which was technically sound, but more reactive, attempting to bounce or swallow rushers. This OL will seek out defenders and drive them into the ground.
 

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Really? I'm loving this OL class so far. You can tell the staff have a very, very clear vision of what they want. The guys they're after are all huge (but not fat), tall, relentless and MEAN. Like "knock kids unconscious" mean. I've also noticed they're lightning fast off the line and never quit on a play. In 2-3 years--maybe sooner--we're going to have a really nasty offense line that intends to embarrass its opponents. It will be a starkly different style of offensive line play than we're used to, which was technically sound, but more reactive, attempting to bounce or swallow rushers. This OL will seek out defenders and drive them into the ground.
I hope you are right. I would love a totally physically dominant O-Line that controls the line of scrimmage.
 
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According to insiders, Franklin historically had a staffer at PSU that lobbied the recruiting services to bump up the star ratings of his commits. Nowadays, you would not want to do that, regardless of the great publicity, as that increases the price tag for that player. I agree that stars can be directional, but the entire industry lacks authenticity. There’s often very little difference, if any, between somebody rated three star 88 and four star 90. As you said, it’s very difficult to judge players, particularly based on the local talent. Fleming was a 5 star that epitomizes that - a year older than everybody else in a region that probably doesn’t have the best coverage secondaries. He gave his best in college at both schools, but at pro day he ran a 4.72 40, which is fcs level.
And I think, systemically, the recruiting services aren't great because the kids with the highest star ratings are the ones who they rated first when they were 15 or 16 years old. Once more kids develop and emerge, truly special players can't crack the top rankings because it's hard for the recruiting services to "admit they were wrong" in a sense, and pass the OG kids in the rankings. Plus, they've developed relationships with the earliest ones to get "inside information," so they have a business incentive to keep them rated high so they can prognosticate and write articles about the kids who they've been developing into superstars.
 
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Seriously, stop responding to this troll. Patterson, Marshall and Rig need to be on ignore by everyone. When they get no responses it won't be any more fun for them to annoy all other posters.

Oh no please don’t hit the ignore button on me. What will I do if I don’t get responded to on a message board oh the horror.
 

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True.

Every team needs a guy like that. Casey Hampton for the Steelers was the epitome of that. Getting double teamed so the LBs could go make plays.

3 star that wasn’t offered by Utah or BYU when he lives in Utah all I need to know about him.
 

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The kid needs to get someone else to make up a "highlight" tape.

That one won't get him much interest - he must have some better game film than those dozen or so plays.
For a high school kid who is much bigger than the high school kids he is going up against, he was a NF in the bulk of that clip.
 

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3 star that wasn’t offered by Utah or BYU when he lives in Utah all I need to know about him.
I get the concern you have about Campbell’s recruiting. I share it to a certain extent, although not as extreme as you. My concern is missing out on highly ranked kids within PA and the normal PSU recruiting footprint. However, to put your comment in perspective, Penn State never offered Aaron Donald. Obviously, that was a big mistake. Hopefully, this kid makes Utah and BYU regret not offering him. I’m thinking they will offer him before this recruiting cycle is over.
 

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I get the concern you have about Campbell’s recruiting. I share it to a certain extent, although not as extreme as you. My concern is missing out on highly ranked kids within PA and the normal PSU recruiting footprint. However, to put your comment in perspective, Penn State never offered Aaron Donald. Obviously, that was a big mistake. Hopefully, this kid makes Utah and BYU regret not offering him. I’m thinking they will offer him before this recruiting cycle is over.
...and maybe he'll add a star over the next season. It makes absolutely no sense to give up on a recruit because he wasn't offered by an in state school, before his senior season. I'm glad Joe didn't give up on Paul Pozluszny.
 

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I get the concern you have about Campbell’s recruiting. I share it to a certain extent, although not as extreme as you. My concern is missing out on highly ranked kids within PA and the normal PSU recruiting footprint. However, to put your comment in perspective, Penn State never offered Aaron Donald. Obviously, that was a big mistake. Hopefully, this kid makes Utah and BYU regret not offering him. I’m thinking they will offer him before this recruiting cycle is over.
I bet they will, after they see PSU offered.
 

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I get the concern you have about Campbell’s recruiting. I share it to a certain extent, although not as extreme as you. My concern is missing out on highly ranked kids within PA and the normal PSU recruiting footprint. However, to put your comment in perspective, Penn State never offered Aaron Donald. Obviously, that was a big mistake. Hopefully, this kid makes Utah and BYU regret not offering him. I’m thinking they will offer him before this recruiting cycle is over.
I get the concern you have about Campbell’s recruiting. I share it to a certain extent, although not as extreme as you. My concern is missing out on highly ranked kids within PA and the normal PSU recruiting footprint. However, to put your comment in perspective, Penn State never offered Aaron Donald. Obviously, that was a big mistake. Hopefully, this kid makes Utah and BYU regret not offering him. I’m thinking they will offer him before this recruiting cycle is over.

Aaron Donald was a freak of nature. Only person that comps to him is John Randle. I think Pitt just got real lucky because guys his size don’t pan out at that position that much.
 

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Aaron Donald was a freak of nature. Only person that comps to him is John Randle. I think Pitt just got real lucky because guys his size don’t pan out at that position that much.
He was a freak of nature and he only had five offers. Pitt was the best one.
 

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Really? I'm loving this OL class so far. You can tell the staff have a very, very clear vision of what they want. The guys they're after are all huge (but not fat), tall, relentless and MEAN. Like "knock kids unconscious" mean. I've also noticed they're lightning fast off the line and never quit on a play. In 2-3 years--maybe sooner--we're going to have a really nasty offense line that intends to embarrass its opponents. It will be a starkly different style of offensive line play than we're used to, which was technically sound, but more reactive, attempting to bounce or swallow rushers. This OL will seek out defenders and drive them into the ground.
I posted my concern in a different forum and got downvoted more than a dozen times so maybe I don’t know what I’m talking about on the subject. 😀 Perhaps you’re right. But I do think the other position groups are stronger.
 

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I posted my concern in a different forum and got downvoted more than a dozen times so maybe I don’t know what I’m talking about on the subject. 😀 Perhaps you’re right. But I do think the other position groups are stronger.
OL may be the hardest position to predict for success at the college level. I agree with you that I am a little suspect of the current OL recruiting. However, NLR is right, they seem to have a specific player type in mind. I would like to see them get Carter and/or Kuhn as well.
 
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LMTLION

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...and maybe he'll add a star over the next season. It makes absolutely no sense to give up on a recruit because he wasn't offered by an in state school, before his senior season. I'm glad Joe didn't give up on Paul Pozluszny.
Most do not realize the star system’s meaning. A significant component of the star system as NFL draft potential. A space eating DT used primarily to occupy blockers to free the lbs to make plays like the one we landed today will very rarely be ranked more than 3 stars. A big DT like Montgomery who excels in multiple facets and makes big plays will likely be 4 stars. I copied and pasted right from rivals is how they rank players:
  • Five-star prospects have grades from 98-100. These are the 32 prospects Rivals sees as having the highest upside in college football and as a potential first-round NFL Draft pick.
  • Four-star prospects have grades from 90-97. These are blue-chip prospects who are viewed as having high-end college football impact and early round NFL Draft potential. Four-stars account for roughly the top 10 percent of FBS signees every cycle.
  • Three-star prospects have grades from 80-89. The vast majority of FBS signees will be rated as three-stars. High three-stars (grades 87-89) are those viewed as having significant impact potential at the Power Four level with NFL Draft upside. Mid-three-stars (grades 84-86) are mid-to-low Power Four and high-end Group of Six prospects with starting potential at the college level. Low three-stars (grades 80-83) are Group of Six level prospects and specialists viewed as having limited NFL Draft potential.

 

LMTLION

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Food for thought. It’s a good read but doesn’t take into account Indiana’s national championship from last year.

Agree with you that it does not account for Indiana as it was published before last season, and I think the transfer portal changes the equation entirely. The article goes back with historical data, but prior eras have no relevance to the current NIL era. I think you’re going to see the championship teams loosely follow the Indiana model in terms of being older teams with more mature players.