2025 Bears
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Wow. What a horrendous third quarter of self-inflicted wounds. Johnson must be gouging his eyes.
Actually watching the games is pretty similarCaleb looks like a bust. The GM should have been fired years ago - he must have dirt on somebody to have kept the job with the Team’s record since he got it.
Honestly, I knew the Bears would have a rough season when they skipped drafting a real LT in order to draft a 3rd round TE in the 1st.
It’s much easier to be a Cats fan, than a Bears fan.
Technically the Bears have two. But for several weeks it sure has seemed like I am watching the same game on Sunday (Mon) that I saw on Sat. ( I could add that both depend on hyped QBs that have not really performed up to their billings)
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Not so far he isn't. He is slow to make decisions, holds the ball too long and doesn't really make people around him better. Don't really see him as a leader. He is still young so there is still a chance.
Of course I was never in favor of using the #1 overall pick on him, I wanted it traded as the year before and build OL and with the returns
Nothing really since he left. Watched him at the Bears and there was nothing much around him till Moore arrived. That OL was attrocious Eberfloos was a terrible HC At Pittsburgh he was brought in as a backup but he did pretty well while he was in. This year I have not seen him play
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Check out the QBR ratings of Fields and Williams in the fourth quarter of games. That will tell you everything you need to know.
Don't worry Bears fans. You play the Bengals next. Our defense will make Caleb look like Tom Brady. Enjoy for one weekend at least.
Well here is an ex NFL scout that says he does not think Williams is a good player. This is post Ravens game
"He has not played well, their team has," Middlekauff, once a scout with the Philadelphia Eagles, said of Williams during an appearance on The Colin Cowherd Podcast on Sunday night. "The running back has played well, and the defense has played well, the quarterback has not. How many times today with Caleb [were there] guys in the flat, even on completions they have to stop and catch the ball. There's no rhythm to his game. I think Caleb isn't remotely a good player. Physically, he's got a lot of gifts, but in terms of playing the quarterback position, I think he's borderline not even average. That's a problem."
Why These Bears Aren’t Like the Old Bears
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As far as where he ranks of QBs taken last year based on last years stats he was 4th best after Daniels, Maye and Nix
So far he has shown that he was not worth the #1 overall pick. I would have rather that the traded #1 overall pick and built a solid OL and reinforced other areas with the proceeds
I dunno, he doesn't have to be a bust as a QB, he's just not a superstar. Build up the O, get or develop another strong WR, and let him develop into a decent to solid QB. Build the team into long term excellence rather than trying to draft/hire instant victory imho.
I get cranky with how many teams waste (imho) their picks trying to find the next superstar QB year after year and end up with crappy teams and a line of ex-QBs on other rosters.
I get cranky with how many teams waste (imho) their picks trying to find the next superstar QB year after year and end up with crappy teams and a line of ex-QBs on other rosters.
Different question.Well here is an ex NFL scout that says he does not think Williams is a good player. This is post Ravens game
"He has not played well, their team has," Middlekauff, once a scout with the Philadelphia Eagles, said of Williams during an appearance on The Colin Cowherd Podcast on Sunday night. "The running back has played well, and the defense has played well, the quarterback has not. How many times today with Caleb [were there] guys in the flat, even on completions they have to stop and catch the ball. There's no rhythm to his game. I think Caleb isn't remotely a good player. Physically, he's got a lot of gifts, but in terms of playing the quarterback position, I think he's borderline not even average. That's a problem."
Why These Bears Aren’t Like the Old Bears
These Chicago Bears are different than the old Chicago Bears.
As far as where he ranks of QBs taken last year based on last years stats he was 4th best after Daniels, Maye and Nix
So far he has shown that he was not worth the #1 overall pick. I would have rather that the traded #1 overall pick and built a solid OL and reinforced other areas with the proceeds
And that guy thinks the Bears ‘ defense has played well? They rank30th in the NFL in yards play allowed. The turnovers have saved them. We saw on Sunday. What happens when they don’t generate turnovers.
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It’s the typical lazy take where most things that go wrong get blamed on the QB. The Bears defense is bad!
The Bears D this year is designed to be more disruptive and they have led the league on getting turnovers
Ok. But turnovers are unpredictable too. When they don’t come, this defense struggles.
In its defense, the injuries in the secondary are devastating. But that front four has been underwhelming.
Caleb is doing just fine for what is effectively a second rookie year in a complex system. The ideas that he can't read the field or that he holds the ball too long are not borne out by the tape or by the stats. (For example, don't just look at TTT, look at P2S, QB responsible pressures, etc.) His primary issues are footwork and accuracy, and those should both improve together as he gets more comfortable.
Jared Goff, a two-time Pro Bowler who was trained by Sean McVay and who had started a Super Bowl, was traded to the Lions in his 6th season and Ben Johnson took over as OC in his 7th. He looked godawful for most of his first season with Johnson, and then emerged as one of the league's best. I'm willing to afford a bit of patience to another #1 overall pick in his second year who spent his rookie year coached by Eberflus and Waldron.
Jared Goff, a two-time Pro Bowler who was trained by Sean McVay and who had started a Super Bowl, was traded to the Lions in his 6th season and Ben Johnson took over as OC in his 7th. He looked godawful for most of his first season with Johnson, and then emerged as one of the league's best. I'm willing to afford a bit of patience to another #1 overall pick in his second year who spent his rookie year coached by Eberflus and Waldron.
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The Bengals will be without their only pass rusher, Trey Hendrickson, on Sunday. So, Caleb Williams will seriously have about 10 seconds to find someone on each dropback. If he doesn't light things up on Sunday, then you guys will know you are in trouble at the QB position. Even Justin Fields had a field day against the Bengals pass rush last week.
A Randy Walker special. Just outscore the other team. Entertaining as all get out. Special team screw ups and all. A win is a win and the Bears went 1 and 0 this week. Don't know how many games they will win playing like this but they sure are fun to watch.
They still have the Giants and the Browns at home, so I think that is very likely two wins. But beyond that, it gets pretty dicey. They will probably pull something out at Minnesota or maybe the Steelers at home.
True but no excuse for the onside kick screw up. That can't happen.
Before the year started I thought the Bears could win 8 or 9 games. If they do great, if not no big deal if it means they get a better draft selection. Forgot what their draft status is for next year but as we see they need improvement on both sides of the ball and special teams were a disaster today which almost cost them the game.
Hightower is a holdover from the Eberfluss staff. Another game like today and he might be looking for a new job. Atrocious ST play today.
That’s a really silly take even before today’s game. He’s a decent quarterback now. Hardly a bust. He doesn’t turn the ball over and can make plays with his legs. And he’s played really well in the 4th quarter in both seasons. He’s led a bunch of last minute drives in a short career. I expect that his accuracy and timing will get better with more experience. He’s 23 years old. I think his floor is a good NFL quarterback. As a number 1 pick, he needs to be better than that and I think he will be. But I can guaranty you the Bears are not drafting a quarterback in the first few rounds. And you must have really thought Josh Allen was a bust because he was a lot worse in his first 2 seasons. And Jared Goff’s QBR in his first season with Johnson was 45 and he had already played 6 or 7 seasons in the NFL. Caleb’s is 55. Let’s see where he is after next season.
More like Bengals found one more way to lose than the Bears did. I saw a graphic during the game that the Bengals had lost 5 games when they had scored 30 or more so now you can make that 6 (and they have 6 loses) Next highest was 2. That is one terrible D. The Bears D broke down pretty badly as well.
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More like should be looking for a new job. STs has had issues all year
Agreed that they would not be looking for a top QB in the draft. They already have a pretty highly thought of backup that they have signed for a fair amount of time for a lotta money. But saying he is decent is still a stretch. Still seems he does not seem to see the field well, still takes way to long to make a decision, holds the ball too long, has bad foot work has questionable accuracy and does not do a great job to put his receivers in a position to get RAC yd
That game was like backyard football: double reverse flea flickers, tons of big passing plays, terrible tackling, return TDs, indifferent defense, and some guy’s dad playing QB (and killing it)
He has 12 tds and 4 interceptions. Of those 4 interceptions, 1 was a tipped pass and 2 were on third and forever. He holds the ball too long but he also hasn’t turned the ball over. He’s on pace to throw for 4,000 yards with 26 tds and 9 interceptions. He is a plus runner and has done a much better job of avoiding sacks. He has also been outstanding in the 4th quarter and in clutch situations. On balance I think he is a decent quarterback, particularly for a guy in his 2nd season and first with Johnson.
Yeah, and he's clearly still figuring a lot of things out. His ceiling is crazy high.
I'm kind of curious what people mean when they say he holds the ball too long. Yes, he occasionally misses open guys, just like every other QB, but if he's extending plays and keeping his eyes downfield without taking unnecessary sacks, what's bad about that? I know Archuleta kept harping on Caleb not running more, but Jayden Daniels is (unfortunately) showing why that's not necessarily a good idea.
I couldn't bear to watch that one, but I heard about what happened. They are the first team in NFL history to recover an onside kick near the end, score the go-ahead touchdown, and still lose. The Bungles keep finding new ways to humiliate themselves. I know Bears fans have been unhappy with their ownership and front office, but we have the worst in Cincinnati.
For me I would expect the big improvement for CW to occur next year. He got nothing out of last year with the former coaching staff, other then the speed of the game.
With CW having a year under his belt in the new system and working with BJ over the off- season I am cautiously optimistic that he will take a major step forward.
With CW having a year under his belt in the new system and working with BJ over the off- season I am cautiously optimistic that he will take a major step forward.