17 Sealed Indictments

[atlkvb]

in fact, I'm willing to bet it will grow....bigly. Biff proposed massive cuts to EPA, USFWS, USDA, etc, and increasing DOD by $60B. Well, the DOD is still gonna get their $60B increase and the losses to other agencies will be marginal at best. Dipshit thought he could just cut away and that won't happen.

You don't actually have to cut. Just slow the annual rates of growth. Only in DC are those considered cuts. But if you slow the rate of growth, as the economy grows, more revenue comes in to service the debts. So you need increased spending restraint and a growing economy and you can stop deficit spending.

 

[bamaEER]

You don't actually have to cut. Just slow the annual rates of growth. Only in DC are those considered cuts. But if you slow the rate of growth, as the economy grows, more revenue comes in to service the debts. So you need increased spending restraint and a growing economy and you can stop deficit spending.

Biff proposed CUTS. I just recently learned that he proposed closing regional EPA offices, like the one I work with, the Great Lakes National Program Office. Yeah, that's not happening.

His budget is gonna make Obama's look like Haiti's

 

[atlkvb]

Biff proposed CUTS. I just recently learned that he proposed closing regional EPA offices, like the one I work with, the Great Lakes National Program Office. Yeah, that's not happening.

His budget is gonna make Obama's look like Haiti's

Good. We're 20 Trillion dollars in the hole! Taxpayers need relief and Federal programs waste money(including the Military).

I favor zero based budgets. Line item vetoes. Cost benefit analysis. Competitive bidding. Outsourcing. Streamlining. Consolidation. Elimination of duplicate services or programs or useless bureaucrats. Privatization and sunset provisions in line items. Cut, eliminate, spend less and give the savings back to taxpayers in the form of lower taxes.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

I look at defense spending, and I'm not sure we're getting the best bang for our buck, pun intended. The industry is too politicized. Manufacturers spread out plants in so many districts that no one in Congress wants to cut programs the military doesn't even want. Within the department you have silly stuff done to appease generals ( see the remodel at the AF Academy as an easy example). There is room to cut in defense while still improving our ability to defend.

More to my point about the ROI was the millions of jobs related to defense spending. When you cut defense, you are actually eliminating middle class jobs. The MIC is real, and it employs millions of Americans across the country to feed the beast.

 

[bamaEER]

Good. We're 20 Trillion dollars in the hole! Taxpayers need relief and Federal programs waste money(including the Military).

I favor zero based budgets. Line item vetoes. Cost benefit analysis. Competitive bidding. Outsourcing. Streamlining. Consolidation. Elimination of duplicate services or programs or useless bureaucrats. Privatization and sunset provisions in line items. Cut, eliminate, spend less and give the savings back to taxpayers in the form of lower taxes.

You're not listening. We all want to spend less, eliminate duplicate programs, etc. What Biff wanted to do was essentially reduce the weight of this aircraft by cutting the wings off.

 

[atlkvb]

More to my point about the ROI was the millions of jobs related to defense spending. When you cut defense, you are actually eliminating middle class jobs. The MIC is real, and it employs millions of Americans across the country to feed the beast.

Drastically cutting defenses is like leaving holes in a new roof over your home. You fix the leaky roof to keep the house dry. You don't replace it with another leaky roof!

Having armed forces that aren't equipped with the best weapons systems and trained personnel is not only inefficient but dangerous for the Military's primary mission, protection of our homeland. Why would we ever compromise on that or leave holes in it?

 

[Keyser76]

I happen to think our Military expenditures are some of the best spent dollars. Can we be more efficient with our outlays?

Absolutely. Do I favor dramatic cuts in programs and weapons systems? Only if they are not working or no longer needed and we have something better.

Fact is we need the US armed forces and we need them as big and strong and bad *** as is physically possible. 2nd to none.

Do we need a Department of Education? Compare its results and what we get out of it to the Armed Services.

Copy that formula for the rest of wasteful Government programs and we could do without a lot of them and never miss em.

Like that money goes to the military and not to defense contractors.

 

[bamaEER]

Like that money goes to the military and not to defense contractors.

No waste there. Best money spent ever.

 

[atlkvb]

You're not listening. We all want to spend less, eliminate duplicate programs, etc. What Biff wanted to do was essentially reduce the weight of this aircraft by cutting the wings off.

And you can't expect we can continue spending on whatever we think we want to.

I'm not for gutting essential services. I'm for spending on only what we need and more importantly what we can afford.

 

[atlkvb]

No waste there. Best money spent ever.

How much value do you place on our inability to defend ourselves? What price is not worth spending to make sure we can?

 

[atlkvb]

No waste there. Best money spent ever.

The men and women who defend us are the best we have. To me no expense is too great to help them do that better than anyone else on the planet which they do and they are.

 

[atlkvb]

No waste there. Best money spent ever.

Our freedom is priceless but it is also not cheap.

 

[bamaEER]

I'm not for gutting essential services. I'm for spending on only what we need and more importantly what we can afford.

This has nothing to do with you. It's about Biff's intentions. Which, by the way, are headed nowhere. The $60B savings plan he intended to get from EPA, DOI, USDA, is losing steam by the minute. Yes, airplanes need wings to fly.

 

[atlkvb]

Better chance of getting Mexico to pay for the wall. Doh!

Or better still seeing illegal immigration across our Southern border down 70% since the start of the year.

 

[atlkvb]

This has nothing to do with you. It's about Biff's intentions. Which, by the way, are headed nowhere. The $60B savings plan he intended to get from EPA, DOI, USDA, is losing steam by the minute. Yes, airplanes need wings to fly.

He's the Commander in Chief determined to rebuild our armed forces. He knows planes need wings to fly and we also need about 200 more ships to back them up!

You want to spend the money on studying the mating habits of Lake water tadpoles.

 

[TarHeelEer]

Make that 31 sealed indictments in DC court, +14 this week. I wonder if Mueller left any Drano in town?

 

[atlkvb]

Make that 31 sealed indictments in DC court, +14 this week. I wonder if Mueller left any Drano in town?

More like he opened up a can of Raid to clear out all the roaches!

 

[dave]

Biff proposed CUTS. I just recently learned that he proposed closing regional EPA offices, like the one I work with, the Great Lakes National Program Office. Yeah, that's not happening.

His budget is gonna make Obama's look like Haiti's

We should cut regional EPA offices. They are worthless.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

You're not listening. We all want to spend less, eliminate duplicate programs, etc. What Biff wanted to do was essentially reduce the weight of this aircraft by cutting the wings off.

I like how you believe tge EPA is essential to the functioning of our government.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Like that money goes to the military and not to defense contractors.

Right, all those union guys working the production lines, people forward deployed feeding the troops, developing more protection and better tech to keep them alive. Yea, those evil defense contractors. The millions off middle class jobs. You’re a maroon.

 

[bamaEER]

I like how you believe tge EPA is essential to the functioning of our government.

It’s essential to the people living there.

 

[atlkvb]

I like how you believe tge EPA is essential to the functioning of our government.

Does more harm than good IMO.

 

[dave]

Right, all those union guys working the production lines, people forward deployed feeding the troops, developing more protection and better tech to keep them alive. Yea, those evil defense contractors. The millions off middle class jobs. You’re a maroon.

He is just a gunment titsucker who is jelly of anyone else who gets govt. dollars instead of his super jmportant grouo.

 

[atlkvb]

Right, all those union guys working the production lines, people forward deployed feeding the troops, developing more protection and better tech to keep them alive. Yea, those evil defense contractors. The millions off middle class jobs. You’re a maroon.

Bet he won't tell us where he lives so we can jack his house at night. He obvioisly doesn't believe in protecting his home so his place should be easy to hit. He probably does lock his doors at night though.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

It’s essential to the people living there.

Hahahaha, ok.

 

[wvu2007]

It’s essential to the people living there.

Prove it

 

[dave]

It’s essential to the people living there.

That is beyond ridiculous. You are exactly why we need to get people like you out of government and into the real world.

 

[bamaEER]

Hahahaha, ok.

Cuyahoga River before....
http://www.ohiohistorycentral.org/w/Cuyahoga_River_Fire

...and after....
https://www.epa.gov/cuyahoga-river-aoc

 

[atlkvb]

That is beyond ridiculous. You are exactly why we need to get people like you out of government and into the real world.

Does any bureaucrat ever think whatever it is they're tasked to "oversee" could ever exist or continue to function without their presence?

Wonder what the environment did for protection of itself before the EPA showed up way back in 1970 no less?

Better question is what's happened to it since? Seems all we hear about now is the imminent doom and gloom facing the environment unless we sign onto Global control of it by even more Government bureaucrats!

 

[atlkvb]

Cuyahoga River before....
http://www.ohiohistorycentral.org/w/Cuyahoga_River_Fire

...and after....
https://www.epa.gov/cuyahoga-river-aoc

LOL.....
The river was formed about 13,000 years ago, but the Cuyahoga Valley has been there even longer.
(and we're worried about an industrial fire on it in the late 60's?)

link: full History of the Cayahoga River
https://www.grc.nasa.gov/www/k-12/fenlewis/History.html

History of the EPA
United States Environmental Protection Agency/Date founded
December 2, 1970

So, in a little less than 50 years the EPA has "saved" a River that's been around for the past several thousands of years and beyond that saved the River from an industrial fire that occurred on it merely a few years sooner and obviously would have destroyed it without the EPA coming into existence.

 

[bamaEER]

LOL.....
The river was formed about 13,000 years ago, but the Cuyahoga Valley has been there even longer.
(and we're worried about an industrial fire on it in the late 50's?)

link: full History of the Cayahoga River
https://www.grc.nasa.gov/www/k-12/fenlewis/History.html

History of the EPA
United States Environmental Protection Agency/Date founded
December 2, 1970

Last two paragraphs of your article explain why the EPA is vital...

--In 1969, the Cuyahoga River hit rock bottom with the infamous fire. There was so much oil in the river that it became very flammable. The River became a dead river, meaning it had no oxygen in it. Having no oxygen in the river, made it impossible for any plant or animal life to live. Akron and Cleveland dumped sewage in it, steel and automobile industries caused the river to become one of the worst rivers in Ohio's history.

--The River has made a remarkable recovery. It is known as a success story and an example for other polluted rivers to follow. The 1972 Clean Water Act made many regulations in what could be dumped in the water. The chemistry of the Cuyahoga River has to be good enough to support aquatic life. Many laws have been passed to forbid the sewage from the past of getting into the river. Many years ago Edgewater Beach was closed due to the severe pollution. Edgewater beach is now open to the public today for swimming and picnicking. The Cuyahoga is by no means perfect, but is an example of what could be done to save a very important river.

 

[TarHeelEer]

Last two paragraphs of your article explain why the EPA is vital...

--In 1969, the Cuyahoga River hit rock bottom with the infamous fire. There was so much oil in the river that it became very flammable. The River became a dead river, meaning it had no oxygen in it. Having no oxygen in the river, made it impossible for any plant or animal life to live. Akron and Cleveland dumped sewage in it, steel and automobile industries caused the river to become one of the worst rivers in Ohio's history.

--The River has made a remarkable recovery. It is known as a success story and an example for other polluted rivers to follow. The 1972 Clean Water Act made many regulations in what could be dumped in the water. The chemistry of the Cuyahoga River has to be good enough to support aquatic life. Many laws have been passed to forbid the sewage from the past of getting into the river. Many years ago Edgewater Beach was closed due to the severe pollution. Edgewater beach is now open to the public today for swimming and picnicking. The Cuyahoga is by no means perfect, but is an example of what could be done to save a very important river.

Cool. Let's go back to 1972 EPA spending levels, and we'll be good.

 

[atlkvb]

Last two paragraphs of your article explain why the EPA is vital...

--In 1969, the Cuyahoga River hit rock bottom with the infamous fire. There was so much oil in the river that it became very flammable. The River became a dead river, meaning it had no oxygen in it. Having no oxygen in the river, made it impossible for any plant or animal life to live. Akron and Cleveland dumped sewage in it, steel and automobile industries caused the river to become one of the worst rivers in Ohio's history.

--The River has made a remarkable recovery. It is known as a success story and an example for other polluted rivers to follow. The 1972 Clean Water Act made many regulations in what could be dumped in the water. The chemistry of the Cuyahoga River has to be good enough to support aquatic life. Many laws have been passed to forbid the sewage from the past of getting into the river. Many years ago Edgewater Beach was closed due to the severe pollution. Edgewater beach is now open to the public today for swimming and picnicking. The Cuyahoga is by no means perfect, but is an example of what could be done to save a very important river.

So why was the EPA needed for folks to realize it was not cool to dump sh*t into the River? We need a multi billion dollar agency with thousands of pencil pushing bureaucrats to tell us that?

Native Americans already had that part figured out long before the EPA was even a thesis paper for some Leftist's Doctoral dissertation.

 

[dave]

Cuyahoga River before....
http://www.ohiohistorycentral.org/w/Cuyahoga_River_Fire

...and after....
https://www.epa.gov/cuyahoga-river-aoc

Hahahahahaha. Crazy person.

 

[dave]

So why was the EPA needed for folks to realize it was not cool to dump sh*t into the River? We need a multi billion dollar agency with thousands of pencil pushing bureaucrats to tell us that?

Native Americans already had that part figured out long before the EPA was even a thesis paper for some Leftist's Doctoral dissertation.

States can do the job of the EPA tomorrow. They basically do it already.

 

[atlkvb]

States can do the job of the EPA tomorrow. They basically do it already.

Of course! As an advanced Industrial society, we clean up our own messes better than anyone else in history. EPA notwithstanding. All they do is issue edicts...the manufacturers actually do the cleanup, remedial work from accidents, and maintenance. EPA just collects money from all the fines on regulations they make impossible to meet.

 

[bamaEER]

So why was the EPA needed for folks to realize it was not cool to dump sh*t into the River?

Denial by our leadership and Biff is trying to take us right back there. Good thing is now we have science. Plus we have 38%.

 

[TarHeelEer]

Biff is trying to take us right back there.

Skeery! Oh my goodness

 

[atlkvb]

Denial by our leadership and Biff is trying to take us right back there. Good thing is now we have science. Plus we have 38%.

EPA: One of the worst of many rouge Federal agencies
Part 1
https://www.forbes.com/sites/markhe...-of-many-rogue-federal-agencies/#e500f6421adb

Part 2
https://www.forbes.com/sites/markhe...-rogue-federal-agencies-part-ii/#6eaecee34cf6

EPA Fails to enforce vital clean air standards
(Sierra Club)
http://content.sierraclub.org/press...cy-failed-enforce-vital-clean-air-protections

EPA's Failure to protect people of color from the Environment.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...l-rights-environmental-justice-report/502427/

 

[bamaEER]

EPA: One of the worst of many rouge Federal agencies
Part 1
https://www.forbes.com/sites/markhe...-of-many-rogue-federal-agencies/#e500f6421adb

Part 2
https://www.forbes.com/sites/markhe...-rogue-federal-agencies-part-ii/#6eaecee34cf6

EPA Fails to enforce vital clean air standards
(Sierra Club)
http://content.sierraclub.org/press...cy-failed-enforce-vital-clean-air-protections

EPA's Failure to protect people of color from the Environment.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...l-rights-environmental-justice-report/502427/

like any big company or agency, they’ve had their problems. But that’s not what this is about. Biff wants them out of the way. Like I said, that effort is losing steam. Science, the courts and 38% are on our side