Hanks health
- Thread starter BigAssTurkeyLeg
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Hecklinski starts Friday or we riot
Hawks are gonna call up some kids from Wartburg for next week
If Heck doesn’t start, he needs 2 drives of hurry up as a surprise.( I personally think Hank is overrated).
I know that ohio st was playing soft coverage when#10 came in but the decision making was better than anything we've seen from #9 all season
Hanks played fine until today. I guess it took one week to forget some of the throws he made at Michigan. Like you said OSU played soft coverage on Hecks drive. Yet of course we're going to throw the baby out with the bath water. Typical.....
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Good luck with your riot in the great Northwest.....
Go with Jeremy.
Roster demands it. Needs a high risk high reward guy.
Roster demands it. Needs a high risk high reward guy.
Was Drew Tate like fingernails on a chalk board for KF? If so, why did he go along with him as QB? KOK?
Except he hasn't! He put the ball in danger 3 times on the final drive against Michigan 2 of them should have been picked off & not to mention us getting bailed out by the penalty after doing nothing previously!
he made 1 throw against Ia st. that allowed him to keep playing
he's also missed Diaz wide open at least 3 or 4 times for TD's
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He certainly seemed to be much more comfortable and accurate passing on the move, which would have been a huge help against Ohio's pass rush all night.
This was the first game he outplayed Hank. That is a fact.
Hank earned the starting position and I wouldn’t be against seeing heck if Brown struggles the first two or three drives but we know that’s not happening so not really worth debating
“Hanks played fine until today. I guess it took one week to forget some of the throws he made at Michigan.”
I was wearing the Hawkeye glasses all week. But let’s be serious, Hank almost had like 3 interceptions last week. Hank is safe for the 2 yard check down. Heck is looking down field. I would rather loose throwing the dice.
In the end, I love the Hawks, Kirk and hope #4 tears his ACL in his next Heisman pose. ( I personally have torn 3).
I was wearing the Hawkeye glasses all week. But let’s be serious, Hank almost had like 3 interceptions last week. Hank is safe for the 2 yard check down. Heck is looking down field. I would rather loose throwing the dice.
In the end, I love the Hawks, Kirk and hope #4 tears his ACL in his next Heisman pose. ( I personally have torn 3).
Not really a fair deal when #10 gets to come into the game to "compete" for the starting job with 2nd string O line & 2nd and 3rd string WR's is it?
If #10 was good enough last year to earn the back up spot I've seen nothing from #9 that makes me feel good.
Hank has looked great when we have played far inferior opponents and our running game looked phenomenal. He’s looked mediocre (game manager) when our running game isn’t gashing the defense. Technically only one int but he’s had multiple fumbles (yes, only one lost) and multiple throws that should have been picked. Again, I’m not sure which QB is ultimately better, but we may have anointed Hank too soon. Granted, at some point we Absolutley had to get on with picking QB1. But hindsight, Heck always seemed to get the short end of the game circumstance (WR drops, lesser running game, no starts, etc). I still shake my head at the horrible Int he threw against northern Illinois in the end zone, but he definitely does have a more “just let it rip” mentality. I suspect we’d have a good number of “WTF” moments with either QB this year.
regardless…. Here we are again (for now). The offense has looked poor against all decent competition so far…yay…
regardless…. Here we are again (for now). The offense has looked poor against all decent competition so far…yay…
I am STILL in favor of using both. Different situations can warrant it. And the one on the sidelines can come off the bench with a fresh perspective of an observer.
People gloss over the fact Brown was not good against ISU or Michigan, the last drive He threw 2 balls that should have been picked but the Karma Gods had it in for Michigan , Go back and watch the game tapes, He has gotten away with near half dozen throws that should have been picked off and He dynamically in every game except UNI has not looked like a D1 quality starter . For Iowa to win games with the type QB Brown is it needs a really good OL and running game and this Teams OL is just not as good as in years past in the running game, This is a team that is going to have to throw the ball to win against good defenses , In no game so far has Brown made the quality of throws Heck did in the drive against OSU and You can say they had a few 2s in and were playing soft but You still have to see the man and with conviction stick that ball in there and Heck did that . Heck is faster seeing the field and has 1 thing Brown does not have , lack of fear of making any throw on the field and the confidence He can make the throw . What this means is Kirk will continue to put Brown out there and tell all of us that's football
"Hank played fine until today." Did he? He was lucky as hell on most of those plays vs. Michigan--tipped balls, guy coming in from out of bounds to catch it. He made a perfect pass on that game-winning play. No doubt about that. One memorable play for sure. But he was totally exposed vs. OSU. Poor decision-making, missing WIDE OPEN receivers all over the field in the first half. Holding the ball for an eternity, then coughing it up to set up OSU's first TD. Throwing the INT. Getting sacked, mostly because he continued to hold the ball instead of getting rid of it.
If the QB's were "even," as we were told all along, then it's Hecklinski's turn. And KF can use an injury to Brown to save face. Hecklinski deserves a chance to start. Let's see if he's the guy or not. Right now all we have is KF's word--the word of a guy who has been wrong about QBs his entire damn career.
KF hated every snap that Banks, Tate, Stanzi, and Beathard took. But he was fine with Christensen, Rudock, Petras and, OMG, Hill. About 99 percent of coaches would have held open tryouts before they let Hill anywhere near a Big Ten QB job, but not KF. The evidence is everywhere. KF is an offensive line coach who named his unqualified son not only OC but also QB coach! OMG! What else do you need to know? The man may be a lot of things, but a master of QBs he is not.
As I mentioned last week, there were 2-3 should have been interceptions in that drive. We got the bounces. What happens when the sun is not warming our behind? I saw the offense look crisp when Heck was in. I’d like to see more of that.
Your first two sentences prove you don't have a realistic bone in your body. Banks came here as a JC transfer who had played very little QB, none at D1. He was a WR when he got to college. He played some and then ALL of the 2002 year. Tate played some as a freshman and that had a great career. I can assure you (if you'd take the blinders off and stop bringing up nonsense from decades ago) If Kirk "hated" Tate playing, he wouldn't have been playing. Stanzi was as erratic as Hell when he first got his shot, and it wasn't all that big a difference from Christenson initially. Ruddock wasn't all that bad, (left here and started the next season at Michigan and was in the NFL several years. (he must have been trash though).
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We will probably get that chance. I think people forget that Heck threw a few of the same type of risky bad passes against NI when he did play, which might have led to his not being QB1. I think it was critical that by game three Kirk decided on one guy, and Brown played well the first three games overall, and appeared to be rising. Not sure why we should have pulled him out. We might be starting over now. I guess we;ll see if that's a good thing or not.
To answer your question, we're hearing nothing. I would guess he has a shoulder the way he ran off the field into the locker room.
We'll find out Tuesday I suspect. The list is going to be long.
They said something about collarbone. Still if you noticed he came back out of the locker room, (They said Lutmer was still in the tent), and he was on the sideline in full uniform WITH his helmet on, as if he was ready to go back in. I would think if they were concerned they would not have left him come back out with his helmet.
Every one of those qb's that KF hated watching was a KF recruit. You are ******* ridiculous!
And the evidence is everywhere that Deacon was KF's only option
I know some points here have been way overstated. But every last one of us on this board knows KFZ. Barring injury (which we may now have), once the "OR" was removed and Hank was named the starter, he is not changing quarterbacks. He just doesn't do that. None of us have to like it to know it's reality no matter how much we think #2 or #3 (or this year even #4) might be better.
More then a bit. This same old drival, like all those guys Kirk "didn't like" were ready to play solid football early in their careers when they simply were not.
If the two QBs have been as even in practice as we have been told, and if Hank is nursing an injury this week, Heck should get the start at Washington.
To be clear, I've felt like Hank has been the better QB this season, up until the OSU game. Prior to OSU, I feel like Hank had been playing about as well as any QB we've had since Stanley. He was far from perfect, but he also made throws that we haven't seen a Hawkeye QB make in a while. For Heck, the sample size is much smaller, but up until OSU, most of what we saw was pretty mid. But he absolutely looked sharp against OSU ... there's no denying that.
So, yeah ... I am as curious as the next guy to see what Heck could do with a full week of preparation and a start. But curiosity isn't really a compelling argument for making the change. The truth is, none of us knows how Heck would perform over the course of an entire game any more than we know what is happening in practice, despite how confidently some people seem to think they do.
To be clear, I've felt like Hank has been the better QB this season, up until the OSU game. Prior to OSU, I feel like Hank had been playing about as well as any QB we've had since Stanley. He was far from perfect, but he also made throws that we haven't seen a Hawkeye QB make in a while. For Heck, the sample size is much smaller, but up until OSU, most of what we saw was pretty mid. But he absolutely looked sharp against OSU ... there's no denying that.
So, yeah ... I am as curious as the next guy to see what Heck could do with a full week of preparation and a start. But curiosity isn't really a compelling argument for making the change. The truth is, none of us knows how Heck would perform over the course of an entire game any more than we know what is happening in practice, despite how confidently some people seem to think they do.
For everyone clamoring for Heck over Hank.. Tell me why, because there isn't a single statistical metric that supports your position.
AYPA
Hank 7.15
Heck 5.72
Completion Percentage
Hank 62.9%
Heck 52.3%
Interception Percentage
Hank .9
Heck 3.1
TD Percentage
Hank 4.0
Heck 3.1
Passer Rating
Hank 131
Heck 115
QBR
Hank 63.7
Heck 22.4
AYPA
Hank 7.15
Heck 5.72
Completion Percentage
Hank 62.9%
Heck 52.3%
Interception Percentage
Hank .9
Heck 3.1
TD Percentage
Hank 4.0
Heck 3.1
Passer Rating
Hank 131
Heck 115
QBR
Hank 63.7
Heck 22.4
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If he isn’t 100%, he shouldn’t play…period.
Or one leg Beathard still playing down 30 instead of getting Stanley game reps to prepare for the next season
Yeah, they were pretty much sitting CJ in a chair behind center that game -- Scott Sterling style.
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