Ocean Springs teen missing
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This is going to turn into a huge controversy. Where a few people will be blamed but who knows what really happened.
Anyways, I know nothing other than piecing together what has been said on Facebook. But I've been out there once in kayak and can remember That west edge of the island having some current.
I can't recall seeing an alligator but they are out there.
Anyways, I know nothing other than piecing together what has been said on Facebook. But I've been out there once in kayak and can remember That west edge of the island having some current.
I can't recall seeing an alligator but they are out there.
Current comes around the ends of the islands because usually where the water coming from the rivers has to go. It piles into the sound and flushes out around the islands.
But I trouble seeing this being anything where he doesn’t bear the majority of the blame unless there was something freakish like him dropping dead in the water from some sort of stroke or heart attack. Just too many people out there for most things to make sense.
We probably won’t ever know what happened, but it was probably either him doing something incredibly stupid on his own, like swimming around the edge of the island with nobody watching (which would be hard to do 4th of July would think but I guess if nobody is paying attention to him, he could be swept away if he spent his time fighting current rather than yelling for help) or swimming off to the south of the island by himself and getting worn out, (which would be easy depending on how rough it was on the south side, as boats won’t anchor up there if there are decent waves).
Or it it could have been him doing something stupid like being really drunk or high, in which case his friends also weren’t looking out for him letting him wander off by himself in that state. That would make sense because even on a holiday weekend, it’d be really easy to just pass out and float off without anybody noticing. If he passed out on the island somewhere I assume somebody would have found him by now.
just an awful situation regardless. I definitely did incredibly stupid things that could have ended up terribly if our friends hadn’t generally looked out for each other, and even then we probably benefitted from a lot of luck.
I've already seen some online chatter where it is trying to be turned into a race issue.
I'd really like to know how much of that is social media just makes morons more visible and how much of it is that getting into an echo chamber really produces more morons. Without knowing more, it makes the people he was on a boat with look like huge *** holes, but generally people aren't inviting people on boats because they don't like them.
Yeah I was reading a couple of Facebook posts and the comments were saying thats always what happens when blacks hang out with white people. He was unsafe due to all the evil white people
It's that, and it exposes people's true thoughts. It's insane what these folks really think. I mean like straight up, utter stupidity.
Well, a body has been found on Horn Island. Not good. I hope just an accident (and I suspect it was). But if not I hope justice is served.
so, one of the comments is that friends don't leave friends behind. I understand that the ladies have this agreement, but as a guy we would often tell our friends to go ahead if we weren't ready to leave, particularly if there was a female prospect in the picture. Is this your experience as well? I would also like to remove the incident where someone was overly intoxicate, that changed the equation and you took them home.
I've done a good bit of wade fishing and the tips of islands are notorious for undercurrents when the tides are moving. It is certainly possible to drown in that scenario. As many people on the island that day, you'd think someone would notice. A lot of people are jumping to a lot of conclusions on the internet and who 17 knows. Now if I'm going to speculate, the most likely scenario involves alcohol and drowning which is an absolute tragedy. If there was something sinister, they'll get caught and go to jail because everyone has phones and no once keeps their mouth shut, especially teenagers.
Who knows what the truth is but ... people keep repeating ....3 left the one behind.
But others are saying, no, dude left to chase a girl. He never came back. Last they seen him was 330ish and they were at the island until 730ish. To which they notified parents and authorities at that time, either on the island or near the main land.
As a young man at that age, yes, many times I went out with one group of people and occasionally I was driven home by someone else for a variety of reasons. I'm sure it happens all the time.
But others are saying, no, dude left to chase a girl. He never came back. Last they seen him was 330ish and they were at the island until 730ish. To which they notified parents and authorities at that time, either on the island or near the main land.
As a young man at that age, yes, many times I went out with one group of people and occasionally I was driven home by someone else for a variety of reasons. I'm sure it happens all the time.
Many of males have gone separate of their group in the less than desirable situations for the one thing that's undefeated
You know the saying - "My dick has taken me places I wouldn't go with a gun".
A tragedy like this rarely happens without the poor judgment of one or more parties. When you're on the water, particularly off shore, it doesn't take a lot of bad judgment to get a tragic result. He shouldn't have separated without somebody else. He shouldn't have walked off without a phone. If he was drinking, they really shouldn't have let him go alone. If they were trusting that he was going to catch another ride, they shouldn't have without confirmation. Presumably he went swimming by himself at some point, or at least waded out deep enough that currents could be a problem for him.
There was a high schooler from Hattiesburg that died off one of the barrier islands probably a decade back. No alcohol reportedly involved that time. Just on the tip of one of the islands and something happened when he jumped out of a boat, and he was gone in a current before anybody knew what had happened. No crazy bad judgment except it's worth wearing a life jacket when you are messing around in water with one or two feet of visibility. It's also worth avoiding the tips of the islands although people in big boats often anchor there because there is deeper water closer in (I assume because stronger currents make it deeper).
There is definitely a significant group out there that is desperately wanting this to be sinister. Matter of fact, in their minds, they've already decided that it was. It is absolutely mind-blowing and I'm not wasting my time trying to understand it any longer.
It’s how they make money, playing the r-card
The ocean wants to kill you, it goes to bed at night wanting to kill you and wakes up in morning wanting to kill you.
Yep. Saw one post on Facebook saying "I don't want to hear that this was an accident, I want to see justice on the people who did this." But what if it was an accident?
People always claim race without knowing all the facts or refuse to accept them. The Delta State student that got found hanging from a tree. Nobody wanted to accept the results and got a private autopsy lead by Colin Kapernick. There is a reason why nobody heard back from that private autopsy. The second autopsy had the same results as the initial autopsy.
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This is the damn truth. My dad almost killed me, my brother, and a buddy several years back running straight in to a storm we could have watched pass. I kept yelling at him it was a terrible 17ing idea and his selfish *** almost ran us to our death. The boat was thrown completely 180 by a huge wave on the starboard. It threw everybody on the ground and a few minor bumps and bruises. Then everyone panicked, put on life vest, got out floatation because we all thought we were dead. Same system capsized several boats in Lake P and I’m pretty sure there were some drownings. Had a big coast guard response & rescue. We watched it coming from east to west from about 8 miles out and could have safely watched it cross from IAP but his hardheaded *** ran right in to it because he had decided he wanted to drive home that afternoon. Ended up being a lesson on the water I’ll never forget and something I still haven’t forgiven him for due to sheer stupidity.
Anytime I see where a person got caught in rip current on the Florida or Alabama coast, I think back to a particular beach trip when I was about 7 years old. My family plus some aunts, uncles, and cousins took long weekend trip to Pensacola in September of 1988. The weather was perfect, but there was actually an exceptionally strong Hurricane - Hurriane Gilbert - crossing the Gulf Mexico while we were there. Even though it was far off, the waves in Pensacola were like something you would see in Cabo or another Pacific beach known for rough surf. I don't recall any red flags or the beach being closed and it did not deter any of us in the least. 6 kids all under the age 15 in the water / surf all day long with no thought of putting a life vest on. It is amazing nobody drowned.
There are astoundingly stupid comments being made. I guess probably not that stupid in the context of the internet, but it's still somewhat amazing how many people don't know have any idea of how basically anything works and yet have a strong opinion. I guess you rarely have a reason to interact with the ~20% of able bodied young people that don't work and it's shocking to see just how stupid they are. I guess I also have never contemplated how many people are never around water and don't understand how drowning works.
Another tragic incident that came to mind besides the teenager that died at Ship Island is there was a teenager that drowned in Lake Caroline also in the past decade, probably more like past 5 years. Probably 10 feet deep at its deepest and the guy jumps off the boat and they didn't find his body until they got imaging equipment involved.
I was at Lake Caroline the day a girl drowned there, probably more than 5 years ago. But yeah, she just fell off the boat and hit her head. Tragic.
I mean, yeah, that’s kind of a Captain Obvious statement though. A perfectly healthy 16 year old kid isn’t just walking down the street and minding his own business and then suddenly found dead on an uninhabited island that’s 8 miles from the coast of his home town without SOMEBODY’s bad judgment or malicious judgment.
Is there a truly some widespread narrative that this was some million-to-one, act of God, wrong place / wrong time sort of situations? Full disclosure - I haven’t the slightest clue what happened or even of what the speculation is. I just can’t see anyone making an argument that this was just happenstance / bad luck.
I saw a teenager drown at Sardis once. In the swimming area with a shitload of people around. Never underestimate the power of water and the power of panic.
I’ve definitely gone home with a girl after arriving with a group of friends and had several instances where a friend would leave with a girl after arriving with me/group of friends…. But I think we were always pretty responsible in making sure each of us knew we were leaving with someone else. I’d have a real hard time leaving a buddy at a place like horn island without being 100% certain he was safe.
With all that said, I’m not saying any foul play happened. I think the most likely scenario is the kid got caught in a bad current and drown. Sucks all the way around.
They were on Horn Island for the 4th. Probly a hundred boats out there celebrating. He went with 3 white friends. He didn't just turn up on the island. High tide was at 2:31. As it was going back out the current going around the island can be pretty swift. Autopsy will tell us
Well now you know and can pretend to be a slightly above novice MS/LA inshore fisherman. You’re welcome
Way more than 100 boats were out there Saturday. Both the north and south side of the west end were packed. We went down another 500-600 yards east from where we normally park at the dunes there were so many boats.
But yes, that tip drops off quick and the current is strong. I'm not sure exactly where they were parked or if he walked down there though.
As for not leaving friends and not having phones, I have switched boats plenty out there. I've been left out there and had to find a ride in when a storm blew in and I was no where near the boat I rode out on. I've left phones, wallets, keys etc. on a boat because you don't take that stuff in the water. My phone was on a different boat than I rode in on Saturday because it got put in a different bag. All that to say that this stuff does happen more often than people that don't know this environment think.
Tragedy all the way around. A life lost too soon and a world of hurt, guilt, and who knows what else for family and friends for the rest of their lives.