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Corby2

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That seems like a nit to pick in this whole saga. I've got zero doubt the staff was still interested in Angelo when AJ left. That was a long time ago and a lot has happened since then (including a new staff at OSU).
And why I said it was BS and whoever wrote it doesn't know
 

newguy123

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You kinda proved my point lol
I don’t understand your point then I guess

Angelo gets flack for dropping to a knee way more than anyone in d1 wrestling. People have gone to knees for years with minimal scrutiny but Angelo does it with such frequency that people are literally discussing rule changes because of him. Dee gets some flack too, less flack for less knee dropping. personally I’d rather see dudes figure out how to beat the move but that’s where it stands now. I wouldn’t be surprised if there are some stall calls on knee drops next season.
 
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newguy123

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Are we still awaiting Pat Mineo’s official statement on why AJ is the victim?
He’s a high profile guy. Best wrestler in the world. Of course cops and women are targeting him. They just want attention, unlike AJ who is trying to keep his nose down and do what he does best, wrestle hard and honor God harder. Even if AJ did do all the things people are accusing him of, he deserves a 23rd chance.

howd I do?
 

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He’s a high profile guy. Best wrestler in the world. Of course cops and women are targeting him. They just want attention, unlike AJ who is trying to keep his nose down and do what he does best, wrestle hard and honor God harder. Even if AJ did do all the things people are accusing him of, he deserves a 23rd chance.

howd I do?
For some reason she did an interview last night


 
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Such BS leave her alone what some people will do for clicks is unbelievable
I truly do not understand why she gave the interview. Let the courts decide this. IMO she weakened the case against him or at least gave his lawyers ammunition to use. I believe her but this should all have come out in court and not in a tik tok interview.
 

newguy123

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I truly do not understand why she gave the interview. Let the courts decide this. IMO she weakened the case against him or at least gave his lawyers ammunition to use. I believe her but this should all have come out in court and not in a tik tok interview.
To be fair his last accuser got buried in court fees and threats, and withdrew her case.
 

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You can thank archaic Oklahoma laws for that. AJ attorney was able and willing to air out all of her dirty laundry.
Exactly! Non of that is relevant to battery and assault. Still, it is the most effective, tried and true defense in Okie courts. Amazes me that the fact a female willingly engages in consensual amorous actions, that some how makes it her fault she is physically abused and battered. Simply amazing!
 

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Exactly! Non of that is relevant to battery and assault. Still, it is the most effective, tried and true defense in Okie courts. Amazes me that the fact a female willingly engages in consensual amorous actions, that some how makes it her fault she is physically abused and battered. Simply amazing!
Anyone who was touting the dismissal of those charges as proof he was “innocent” and falsely accused were either too stupid to read or willfully misrepresenting what happened. His accuser had to stop cooperating because:

1. She was being harassed by people in the Ferrari camp (including as his sister, who also seems like a real piece of work)
2. AJ’s attorneys were dragging out every little detail about her personal life and trying to make it public, regardless of relevancy
3. She was trying to start a career in either OKC or Tulsa (can’t remember which), and couldn’t do that with all the ever-changing court dates and the drive to Stillwater.

I could spend a lot of time on a soap box about the system as a whole, but I’ll spare y’all.

I will say it’s reprehensible that so many prominent coaches and personalities in this sport like Manning, Koll (attempted), Mineo, and others continued to promote him and enable his behavior but will get zero flak for it. Especially those of them who are self-styled “girl dads”.
 

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You can thank archaic Oklahoma laws for that. AJ attorney was able and willing to air out all of her dirty laundry.

The right to maintain your innocence until proven guilty and right to cross-examine your accusers are hardly archaic. Oklahoma has similar rape shield laws to protect victims that most other states have. Every state struggles to strike the right balance between protecting the privacy rights of the accuser the due process rights of the accused.
 

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The right to maintain your innocence until proven guilty and right to cross-examine your accusers are hardly archaic. Oklahoma has similar rape shield laws to protect victims that most other states have. Every state struggles to strike the right balance between protecting the privacy rights of the accuser the due process rights of the accused.

The right to bring up your accuser's past is VERY ARCHAIC.

Hell, in civil traffic law, you can't bring up a plaintiffs or defendants CRIMINAL TRAFFIC RECORD. And the reason is simple. Just because i sped on July 12, 2018 - does that mean i was reckless driving on July 4, 2026?

Allowing victim's "history" to be brought up has nothing to do with the crime at hand.
 
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Pokewood

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The right to bring up your accuser's past is VERY ARCHAIC.

Hell, in civil traffic law, you can't bring up a plaintiffs or defendants CRIMINAL TRAFFIC RECORD. And the reason is simple. Just because i sped on July 12, 2018 - does that mean i was reckless driving on July 4, 2026?

Allowing victim's "history" to be brought up has nothing to do with the crime at had.
Exactly!
 

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The right to maintain your innocence until proven guilty and right to cross-examine your accusers are hardly archaic. Oklahoma has similar rape shield laws to protect victims that most other states have. Every state struggles to strike the right balance between protecting the privacy rights of the accuser the due process rights of the accused.
In court this is true but they were doing it out of court. Should have been held in contempt IMO
 

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The right to bring up your accuser's past is VERY ARCHAIC.

Hell, in civil traffic law, you can't bring up a plaintiffs or defendants CRIMINAL TRAFFIC RECORD. And the reason is simple. Just because i sped on July 12, 2018 - does that mean i was reckless driving on July 4, 2026?

Allowing victim's "history" to be brought up has nothing to do with the crime at hand.

Oklahoma has a rape shield law the prohibits exactly what you are complaining about. 12 O.S. Section 2412. Can you specifically cite the Oklahoma statute that you believe is archaic?
 

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Oklahoma has a rape shield law the prohibits exactly what you are complaining about. 12 O.S. Section 2412. Can you specifically cite the Oklahoma statute that you believe is archaic?
I wasn't aware of this law until a few years ago. People were saying she didn't want to have a trial and have everything in her past brought up which wasn't true because Oklahoma has a law against that
 

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Oklahoma has a rape shield law the prohibits exactly what you are complaining about. 12 O.S. Section 2412. Can you specifically cite the Oklahoma statute that you believe is archaic?

I wasn't aware of this law until a few years ago. People were saying she didn't want to have a trial and have everything in her past brought up which wasn't true because Oklahoma has a law against that

So it's not a blanket law.

An attorney in Oklahoma can:

If the defense wants to introduce this type of evidence (sexual history), they generally cannot simply ask about it in front of the jury. They must typically:
  1. File a written motion.
  2. Notify the prosecution.
  3. Participate in an in camera (private) hearing where the judge determines whether the evidence is admissible before the jury ever hears it.

This is what the attorney wanted to do, and the girl wanted no part of it.
 
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“crawling out of the garage and getting into the truck’s rear passenger seat”. If it wasn’t before, his life has reached valid 30 for 30/Untold levels. I hope no one is seriously hurt or worse before the end of the story.
 
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Travis25

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If the defense wants to introduce this type of evidence (sexual history), they generally cannot simply ask about it in front of the jury. They must typically:
  1. File a written motion.
  2. Notify the prosecution.
  3. Participate in an in camera (private) hearing where the judge determines whether the evidence is admissible before the jury ever hears it.

That is not what the statute says. Per the statue, an in camera hearing will only be held in a very narrow subset of cases. It requires a lot more of a showing that simply filing a motion and notifying the State.

This is a pretty academic discussion, which sort of proves my point that there is nothing "archaic" about how Oklahoma deals with these situations. The statute we are discussing seems to be a reasonable way to deal with difficult and fact-specific situations.

I could care less about the AJ Ferrari saga, but I take issue with you making Oklahoma out to be some hillbilly backwater without evidence. It is never easy to be a crime victim in a high profile case. It wasn't easy on the Metcalf family in Texas or the Weinstein victims in New York or any victims of AJ Ferrari in Payne County. However, none of those difficulties are unique to Oklahoma. They stem from highly paid criminal defense attorneys enjoying the robust protections of the First and Sixth Amendments, which apply equally in all states.
 
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