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Corby2

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That seems like a nit to pick in this whole saga. I've got zero doubt the staff was still interested in Angelo when AJ left. That was a long time ago and a lot has happened since then (including a new staff at OSU).
And why I said it was BS and whoever wrote it doesn't know
 

newguy123

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You kinda proved my point lol
I don’t understand your point then I guess

Angelo gets flack for dropping to a knee way more than anyone in d1 wrestling. People have gone to knees for years with minimal scrutiny but Angelo does it with such frequency that people are literally discussing rule changes because of him. Dee gets some flack too, less flack for less knee dropping. personally I’d rather see dudes figure out how to beat the move but that’s where it stands now. I wouldn’t be surprised if there are some stall calls on knee drops next season.
 
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newguy123

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Are we still awaiting Pat Mineo’s official statement on why AJ is the victim?
He’s a high profile guy. Best wrestler in the world. Of course cops and women are targeting him. They just want attention, unlike AJ who is trying to keep his nose down and do what he does best, wrestle hard and honor God harder. Even if AJ did do all the things people are accusing him of, he deserves a 23rd chance.

howd I do?
 

Corby2

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He’s a high profile guy. Best wrestler in the world. Of course cops and women are targeting him. They just want attention, unlike AJ who is trying to keep his nose down and do what he does best, wrestle hard and honor God harder. Even if AJ did do all the things people are accusing him of, he deserves a 23rd chance.

howd I do?
For some reason she did an interview last night


 
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newguy123

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I truly do not understand why she gave the interview. Let the courts decide this. IMO she weakened the case against him or at least gave his lawyers ammunition to use. I believe her but this should all have come out in court and not in a tik tok interview.
To be fair his last accuser got buried in court fees and threats, and withdrew her case.
 

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You can thank archaic Oklahoma laws for that. AJ attorney was able and willing to air out all of her dirty laundry.
Exactly! Non of that is relevant to battery and assault. Still, it is the most effective, tried and true defense in Okie courts. Amazes me that the fact a female willingly engages in consensual amorous actions, that some how makes it her fault she is physically abused and battered. Simply amazing!
 

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Exactly! Non of that is relevant to battery and assault. Still, it is the most effective, tried and true defense in Okie courts. Amazes me that the fact a female willingly engages in consensual amorous actions, that some how makes it her fault she is physically abused and battered. Simply amazing!
Anyone who was touting the dismissal of those charges as proof he was “innocent” and falsely accused were either too stupid to read or willfully misrepresenting what happened. His accuser had to stop cooperating because:

1. She was being harassed by people in the Ferrari camp (including as his sister, who also seems like a real piece of work)
2. AJ’s attorneys were dragging out every little detail about her personal life and trying to make it public, regardless of relevancy
3. She was trying to start a career in either OKC or Tulsa (can’t remember which), and couldn’t do that with all the ever-changing court dates and the drive to Stillwater.

I could spend a lot of time on a soap box about the system as a whole, but I’ll spare y’all.

I will say it’s reprehensible that so many prominent coaches and personalities in this sport like Manning, Koll (attempted), Mineo, and others continued to promote him and enable his behavior but will get zero flak for it. Especially those of them who are self-styled “girl dads”.
 

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You can thank archaic Oklahoma laws for that. AJ attorney was able and willing to air out all of her dirty laundry.

The right to maintain your innocence until proven guilty and right to cross-examine your accusers are hardly archaic. Oklahoma has similar rape shield laws to protect victims that most other states have. Every state struggles to strike the right balance between protecting the privacy rights of the accuser the due process rights of the accused.
 

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The right to maintain your innocence until proven guilty and right to cross-examine your accusers are hardly archaic. Oklahoma has similar rape shield laws to protect victims that most other states have. Every state struggles to strike the right balance between protecting the privacy rights of the accuser the due process rights of the accused.

The right to bring up your accuser's past is VERY ARCHAIC.

Hell, in civil traffic law, you can't bring up a plaintiffs or defendants CRIMINAL TRAFFIC RECORD. And the reason is simple. Just because i sped on July 12, 2018 - does that mean i was reckless driving on July 4, 2026?

Allowing victim's "history" to be brought up has nothing to do with the crime at hand.
 
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Pokewood

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The right to bring up your accuser's past is VERY ARCHAIC.

Hell, in civil traffic law, you can't bring up a plaintiffs or defendants CRIMINAL TRAFFIC RECORD. And the reason is simple. Just because i sped on July 12, 2018 - does that mean i was reckless driving on July 4, 2026?

Allowing victim's "history" to be brought up has nothing to do with the crime at had.
Exactly!
 

newguy123

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The right to maintain your innocence until proven guilty and right to cross-examine your accusers are hardly archaic. Oklahoma has similar rape shield laws to protect victims that most other states have. Every state struggles to strike the right balance between protecting the privacy rights of the accuser the due process rights of the accused.
In court this is true but they were doing it out of court. Should have been held in contempt IMO
 

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The right to bring up your accuser's past is VERY ARCHAIC.

Hell, in civil traffic law, you can't bring up a plaintiffs or defendants CRIMINAL TRAFFIC RECORD. And the reason is simple. Just because i sped on July 12, 2018 - does that mean i was reckless driving on July 4, 2026?

Allowing victim's "history" to be brought up has nothing to do with the crime at hand.

Oklahoma has a rape shield law the prohibits exactly what you are complaining about. 12 O.S. Section 2412. Can you specifically cite the Oklahoma statute that you believe is archaic?